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So I have been playing the beta for 3 days now and have reached rank 1 in my division.
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I've never gotten higher than D+ on ICCup but still it only took me three days to get highest rank in my division. I'm very surprised about how easy it was to get this high in the ranking, I really thought that there would be a lot more good players at the top since it seemed like BW had loads of players who were a lot better than me.
I have no idea about how one is able to be as low a copper or something like that, you would have to not make a single unit or something. The skill ceiling seems to be incredibly low atm.
I didn't really think that such things as mechanics were a plus to a game before I played SC2. I have always thought that BW was too hard mechanically since there are just so many funny strategies that could be pulled of but its simply not humanly possible. Even Jaedong cant incorporate queens in his army since its just so hard to pull of. Even though ensnare is a very use full ability against pretty much all races. So I think it would be great if a game such as BW gets are more newb friendly successor, but it just seems like a complete noob fest to me. Even I can macro fine off four bases.
This atleast seems to be my first impression of the game. I really hope that these concerns will show to be meaningless when top players start to figure the game out for real.
I really hope that SC2 is going to be a huge success with a super high skill ceiling, so I'm anxious to see how the game will be at release. For now I'm just going to keep playing this game because its so much fun :D it definitely holds a lot of potential, but please make this game a game were the best players in the world get to be on TV so I can look in awe. Everything else would be so sad.
 
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Really platinum ranking does not mean shit. What is better for evaluation of your skill is your ELO rating. I'm around 1300 and cruising in the 30-40's. It gets harder.
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Many Blizzard fans registered for beta keys and got them. They probably aren't used to the level of mechanics needed in the SC series. I think anyone who can macro at a D+/C- level has the mechanical skill to make it into a platinum league. As for being number one, you likely got placed into a platinum league without other good players.
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Surprised you made it there with that rating / record...in my division, rank 1 is like 2050 rating >_>
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@OP
How did you do on your placement matches?
5-0 ?
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#1 in mine is 1950~, I'm sitting at 1700+
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Copper is for players who are just picking up the game. Like, you pull in a random friend and make him play the game while telling him what to do. He'll end up in copper. There are many things you take for granted at a D level player such as using hotkeys and macroing decently that's extremely hard for a complete newbie who's coming from, say, WoW. I agree that the skill ceiling is low, but I think it was meant to be low, since the game is supposed to bring together the pros, the low money map players, the BGH players, the FPM players, the UMS players, the WC3 players, the CS players, the DotA players, the WoW players, the casual gamers, etc. all together in one ladder.
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Sorry to say this but you did get a bit lucky 
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the way its set up, new divisions keep opening up within plat so the new players that come in only have 1k rating. And they are younger so it takes a while for that division to mature
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Calgary25991 Posts
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless...
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Also, it seems like you haven't hit your skill ceiling yet, which will definitely happen since there are many experienced players in the higher levels of platinum. If you can get to 2000+ ELO, you can, as a D+ iCCup player, honestly say that SC2 has a low skill ceiling. Otherwise, I don't think so...
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On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless...
but we get bragging rights vs our rl friends who cant see our ELOs 
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United States1719 Posts
hmmmm a 1287 in my division would get you rank #32
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this is exactly why division ranks mean shit lol
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On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless...
...unless you're #1 in copper. Means you're really bad.
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On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless...
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That ELO is nothing special and besides, the ladder right now is pretty easy as anybody with ANY iccup broodwar experience is in platinum. I'm rank 18 plat too with a decent (1400) ELO but I was still raped by people like kawaiirice when I faced them in placement.
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Like everyone else has said, sitting at 1290 ELO is really low, and only equalivalent to #40 in my division. That means you are not even playing any of the good players yet, and probably not even any decent ones either. Once you get to 1600 you start facing competent players, and anything over 1800 becomes quite a challenge. At 1290 plat you are probably still playing gold players as well =\
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I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. Divisions don't matter too much, what really matters is the ELO. I am around 1600, and the people I play now compared to when I was around 1300 are much much much better.
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On May 12 2010 07:10 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless... but we get bragging rights vs our rl friends who cant see our ELOs
except the rl friends will go "lol okay mr hot shot"
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I;m 1390 in bronze. Is that higher than 1290 in platinum?
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Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+.
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Being rank #1 in your division is awesome bragging fodder to friends, high ELO or not.
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I didn't even play scbw on iccup, I only played on ums maps on bw. I was #3 in one of the lower platinum leagues for a while. Pretty much scale D- to platinum.
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Like many people have said 1285 ELO isn't very impressive at all... i'm at around 1400 and it's way harder then when i was just a hundred or two lower, the skill level really starts to pick up at the high ELO ratings.
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Re division rank: Yes that mean absolutely nothing, except maybe to yourself ( yea I finally past that cheesing **** above me) EDIT( oh yea and bragging right for sure)
The skill ceiling for SC2 is quite low compared to BW. While this is to be expected (SC2 has been played for 2 months, basically), I'm still suprised how far, just being able to use the UI well will get you. Simply by being able to make and control units as in BW, that can get you to gold. Does any one here think think that the divisions will "un-inflate" once SC2 goes public? Like getting and staying in platnium will actually be a credible achievement?
For the record, I got 1700 ELO in SC2, but for the life of me, couldn't get past D+ on iccup.
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what the heck? im in silver and have around 1200-1250 and you have 1300 and are in Plat?
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Are you fucking serious? I just lost four times in a row with a fucking KOR group with names like wihdsd18999 or some shit, then I got smashed by this kid who went Baneling rush, BANELING RUSH, WHAT THE FUCK.
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United States43444 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:29 Rkie wrote:
what the heck? im in silver and have around 1200-1250 and you have 1300 and are in Plat?
You lose points as you get promoted. Silver points and plat points are not comparable.
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I was about as bad as you can get at SC1 and was 1900 plat before the resets. Its a new game. If you understand how starcraft works somewhat well and push yourself to be faster and faster you can easily top the ladder.
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On May 12 2010 08:32 AmIGoingToGetBanned wrote:
Are you fucking serious? I just lost four times in a row with a fucking KOR group with names like wihdsd18999 or some shit, then I got smashed by this kid who went Baneling rush, BANELING RUSH, WHAT THE FUCK.
and why are you bitching about it in this thread? Has nothing to do with the discussion.
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sc2 ladder is horrible tho
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On May 12 2010 08:29 Rkie wrote:
what the heck? im in silver and have around 1200-1250 and you have 1300 and are in Plat?
1300 in silver is nowhere near the same as 1300 in platinum. When you get promoted to gold, you lose a few hundred points, and then lose a few hundred more when promoted to platinum. I imagine your 1300 silver would technically drop to roughly 700 platinum (give or take a hundred pts or so)
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+.
u wrong i think its like C-
D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200
C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500
B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900
A-/A/A+ like 2000+
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On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+
ur crazy man! even D is plat.
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On May 12 2010 07:17 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless... ...unless you're #1 in copper. Means you're really bad.
You are still king for a day.
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Well I was C- but I'm stuck in bronze. Although I only play 5 games a week and almost don't watch sc2 streams.
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As long as you can win ~50% of the time in platinum getting a good rank is just a matter of how many games you play imo.
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Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:13 Chronopolis wrote:
Does any one here think think that the divisions will "un-inflate" once SC2 goes public? Like getting and staying in platnium will actually be a credible achievement? i think it will actually become more inflated following its release, until at least the player base cements and the game starts being figured out. basically any TL member is going to get to gold or platinum as it is with a beta sample size right now of mostly gamers (even if they are wow players). seems like the relative skill of a broodwar veteran will be even higher compared to the general public's.
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On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+
trying to make comparisons like that is dumb... I can get 2000+ on the sc2 ladder no problem and I'm not even close to being A- skilled in bw
also, OP, I don't think you realize what an accomplishment getting to D+ on icucp is. That means you're better than most people who have ever played bw. Also, your elo or w/e it's called isn't even 1300 which is pretty low. In most divisions I don't think that'd even be top 20.
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On May 12 2010 09:18 Grobyc wrote:
As long as you can win ~50% of the time in platinum getting a good rank is just a matter of how many games you play imo.
but thats the same way it was on iccup. i had an 80% at low D, 70% high D, then suddenly bumped down to 50% D+, yet still ranking up until C-, where i'm not even 20%. if i were to play 1/5 of the games i did, i'd still be borderline D+.
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I feel like the most noobie player in the world after reading this thread. I was C- Iccup but i'm 9-9 in silver league right now after about 1 week of play time. I mean I haven't gotten my Bo's down or learned all the unit counters but I mean damn... silver league really.
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On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless...
To be fair, being number one in my division would mean that I'm better than Idra.
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United States1719 Posts
On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+
This is totally wrong. Anywhere below 1600 plat is iccup D-/D range, I can safely say, as I am 1650 plat and never got out of D on iccup.
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I think there's enough players that in gold the skill level is all over the place. I've played people who barely have a clue how to play the game, then I ran into a rough patch of 10 games where pretty much everyone was a lot better than me. Best I ever did was low D+ on iccup. Still going to hit platinum at the rate I'm going...
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On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+
for sure off, i know c- people that are over 2k elo
and d+ players that are pretty close to that
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On May 12 2010 11:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+ for sure off, i know c- people that are over 2k elo and d+ players that are pretty close to that
And then there are B rank people who are around 1500. Or even gold. iCCup rank has a terrible correlation with SC2 ELO.
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On May 12 2010 09:50 Hypnotikdel wrote:
I feel like the most noobie player in the world after reading this thread. I was C- Iccup but i'm 9-9 in silver league right now after about 1 week of play time. I mean I haven't gotten my Bo's down or learned all the unit counters but I mean damn... silver league really.
You can go to C- by 4-pooling or 10/15 gating or something like that. On the other hand you can have a solid grasp of the fundamentals at D+, which will translate so much better into SC2.
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On May 12 2010 09:52 hype[NZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless... To be fair, being number one in my division would mean that I'm better than Idra.
No it could just mean you played a whole lot more games
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On May 12 2010 08:32 AmIGoingToGetBanned wrote:
Are you fucking serious? I just lost four times in a row with a fucking KOR group with names like wihdsd18999 or some shit, then I got smashed by this kid who went Baneling rush, BANELING RUSH, WHAT THE FUCK.
It makes me laugh every time a newer poster complains about losing to koreans. It's like they're aliens.
On May 12 2010 11:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+ for sure off, i know c- people that are over 2k elo and d+ players that are pretty close to that
I don't think he's trying to say that people who were X rank on ICCup will be X Elo in SC2. I think he's just drawing a parallel between the ranking systems as far as how good you are compared to everyone else - i.e, anything below upper gold is just a bnetter, then that's his idea of the ranking correlation.
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The rankings on iccup aren't going to translate well because a huge factor in your iccup ranking was your ability to macro without automine and mbs. Even I can macro on sc2... Now its about gamesense, scouting, timing, and micro (although there isn't enough of the latter if you ask me).
These were factors in sc1, but only once you had excellent mechanics. Now these are the exclusive factors so you are going to see a lot of people who relied on mechanics dropping down, and a lot of people who had excellent gamesense but not good enough mechanics moving up.
It's a good thing if you ask me.
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On May 12 2010 09:52 hype[NZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 07:03 Chill wrote:
Being #1 in your division is basically meaningless... To be fair, being number one in my division would mean that I'm better than Idra.
Which is basically meaningless.
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You'd be surprised how much more meaningful platinum is on the asian server
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On May 12 2010 11:12 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 11:05 Divinek wrote:On May 12 2010 09:09 Re-Play- wrote:On May 12 2010 07:54 rushz0rz wrote:
Platinum 1100-1200 is about the same as D+. u wrong i think its like C- D/D+ same as Gold almost 1200 C-/C/C+ like 1200-1500 B-/B/B+ like 1500-1900 A-/A/A+ like 2000+ for sure off, i know c- people that are over 2k elo and d+ players that are pretty close to that And then there are B rank people who are around 1500. Or even gold. iCCup rank has a terrible correlation with SC2 ELO.
Please name a few of the B players that are at 1500 while not messing around playing random and it's their 2nd day on sc2. Actually, show me those, they should still be above 1500.
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Wow why are you guys shitting on this newb's blog, lol... =P let him have his moment.
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Hungary11305 Posts
On May 12 2010 11:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
poor aesop
I was just sent to Platinum, nothing to pity me for . Will take over #1 soon enough.
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I was a High C- low C player in BW currently gold league, still exploring strategies and stuff but I can safely say I've never lost a single game due to mechanics yet.
That and voidrays means that I've almost never lose to Terran/Zergs. LOL
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On May 12 2010 15:35 Xeris wrote:
Wow why are you guys shitting on this newb's blog, lol... =P let him have his moment.
I wasn't really having a moment, I just wrote what I thought about the situation at that moment and how surprised i was at how low platinum is skill wise.
And then some more ramblin about the game :D
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