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So we were doing the ITL7 the other day and our usual camera man wasn't available because of family issues. I was doing my best to chug along and provide a decent camera until TadHudder very nicely stepped up to do the camera for us. The thing is trying to do the camera while commentating is much much harder than just commentating as if you're certain someone else is doing the camera you can be free to scroll as fast as you want and look wherever you want.
When you are doing the camera you have to slow down your clicks and how fast you move around it's tough to be consciously doing this and talking about the game at the same time. But as soon as Tad started the camera all I got were whispers about people nitpicking minor issues with the camera. I can understand bigger stuff like we can hear him talking on the phone, but people whining about healthbars on off on off on off, oh he's not doing the camera right. Oh geeze oh geeze it's not exactly perfect.
I mean come on guys we're providing a service you guys are sitting there and watching the games and all you can do is DEMAND that we change details? The whispers I received werent like "Oh could you please turn healthbars off I think it makes it look much better? Thanks." They were more like "Turn healthbars off" or "Tell him to do the camera right" "Tell him to stop talking on the fucking phone" I mean come on guys at least try and be polite about it if you're going to make a suggestion cuz I'm just gonna start ignoring people who make demands.
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Unfortunately I think that's the nature of hardcore SC2 fans and a sense of entitlement among all gamers.
I was in #teamliquid earlier today during the HDH invitational and people were nitpicking on how Husky and HD weren't "in depth" enough as day9 and that commentary should reflect much deeper insight than what most people offer. The audience will always DEMAND more so I wouldn't let it get to you because a lot goes into casting already that you can't always deliver.
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See I don't mind constructive criticism even if it is slightly nitpicking, it all depends on how they phrase it. I've gotten some useful comments out of people before in chat and worked on it and it has helped me become better at doing commentaries but the people who step up and demand shit constantly get on my nerves. Especially since Tad was helping -me- out more than anyone else by doing the camera and then I get flooded with ridiculous demands I try not to /dnd while casting because I do get a rather constant stream of helpful information most of the time from other people on iCCup TV but it got to be too much last night.
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infinity21
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'tis a general trend of internet gamers nowadays methinks 
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On May 08 2010 09:15 shindigs wrote:
Unfortunately I think that's the nature of hardcore SC2 fans and a sense of entitlement among all gamers.
I was in #teamliquid earlier today during the HDH invitational and people were nitpicking on how Husky and HD weren't "in depth" enough as day9 and that commentary should reflect much deeper insight than what most people offer. The audience will always DEMAND more so I wouldn't let it get to you because a lot goes into casting already that you can't always deliver.
No one should expect D+ players to have as much insight as an A- player.
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people are going to complain about everything you do - might as well get used to it and ignore them 
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Two things: criticizing a temporary substitute is decidedly ungracious, but people who task themselves to provide services can try to put on a positive outlook and take criticism as constructive. Obviously, even though this is ideal, it's not easy because most people won't sugar-coat or take the time to try to sound nice... and thus will come off as abrasive and rude.
This leads to my second point that many internet users try to be extremely terse, especially in chat messages. Starcraft players especially are used to avoiding long, full sentences with any sort of tone because, well, they're in the midst of playing the hardest game known to mankind. Of course you could also attribute it to people being especially lazy about text communication (see text messages, countless other forums, TL's SC2 forum, etc.). Anyways this all leads to people issuing the bare minimum messages, and thus not creating messages with diplomatic tones.
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I think its not limited to SC2... a lot of SC fans that I've seen especially in the TSL2 stuff that went on were incredibly demanding. All you can do it ignore it.
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But he is mad about the people asking to turn the health bars on off on off
That is just silly
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That is what we call one of the many symptoms of the problem, if it was just the healthbars I wouldn't mind much but it's all the other stuff with it that annoys the crap out of me.
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United States7166 Posts
all the polite people don't even think it's right to complain, even 'nicely,' so all that's left are the no manner dicks. they're everywhere, what can you do
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On May 08 2010 09:15 shindigs wrote:
Unfortunately I think that's the nature of hardcore SC2 fans and a sense of entitlement among all gamers.
I was in #teamliquid earlier today during the HDH invitational and people were nitpicking on how Husky and HD weren't "in depth" enough as day9 and that commentary should reflect much deeper insight than what most people offer. The audience will always DEMAND more so I wouldn't let it get to you because a lot goes into casting already that you can't always deliver.
you nailed it, and it is kind of funny how some people are demanding more in depth stuff while there is an equally large and angry crowd that loves commentators that liked Klazart and others who talk more about the players history and have much less overall knowledge.
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I didn't watch the event, but I'm just going to play devil's advocate here. You aren't putting on events completely for the good of the community; you are having fun and attempting to boost your own reputation by doing so. People don't want shitty events happening run by people who don't know what they are doing, e.g. WCG 200X, because it gives a bad name to community events. If you, as the event organizer, spend time publicizing it and get people to take time out of their day to watch it and then shit on them by having a camera man who is talking on the phone and doing a terrible job (which was the case by the sound of it) of COURSE they are going to tell you that you are doing a shitty job, in fact you should be glad that they are doing so rather than not bothering to watch your event.
There is a motto, "the costumer is always right" and it's prevalent for a reason -- if service vendors do a bad job, everyone suffers. If you aren't going to do your best to put on an event and listen to constructive criticism, but would rather post a thread here blaming your viewers for your own mistakes, don't bother to host an event in the future. Quality over quantity for community events as far as I'm concerned.
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On May 08 2010 09:08 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
"Tell him to stop talking on the fucking phone"
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wait, is this for rela? who talks on the phone during a cast?
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On May 08 2010 10:17 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 09:08 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
"Tell him to stop talking on the fucking phone"
[/rant] wait, is this for rela? who talks on the phone during a cast?
He was working from home so he set the camera to someone and picked up the phone, he thought his microphone was muted so he didn't realize it was coming through on the cast.
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