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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 17:21:31
May 04 2010 15:40 GMT
#1
I have here two card games. I give everybody 5 ESPORTS dollars to play these games with.

The first card game is quite simple. There are three cards. One of them is the Ace of Spades. The other two are other cards that are not important. You may put any amount of your ESPORTS money on this game. If you win, you get your bet back + 2 times your bet (so if you bet 1 dollar and win you get 3 dollars back).

The other card game is also pretty simple. There are three cards, once again, and you must once again find the Ace of Spades. This time, I'll tell you that one of the cards is not the Ace of Spades. I will be perfectly honest. However, because of this information, you will be paid at 1:1 instead of 2:1. Thus, expected value for both games is the same.

You must bet all of your ESPORTS dollars in these two games to get any back. How do you choose to play?

Poll: Game 1

$5 (13)
 
41%

$0 (10)
 
31%

$2 (5)
 
16%

$3 (2)
 
6%

$1 (1)
 
3%

$4 (1)
 
3%

32 total votes

Your vote: Game 1

(Vote): $0
(Vote): $1
(Vote): $2
(Vote): $3
(Vote): $4
(Vote): $5


Poll: Game 2?

$5 (11)
 
39%

$0 (7)
 
25%

$3 (6)
 
21%

$1 (2)
 
7%

$2 (1)
 
4%

$4 (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Game 2?

(Vote): $0
(Vote): $1
(Vote): $2
(Vote): $3
(Vote): $4
(Vote): $5




2 is not Monty Hall style. I tell you before you pick that it's not this one or that one.
The condition is you have to play with all your money.

Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 15:50:21
May 04 2010 15:49 GMT
#2
$0 on game 1.
$5 on game 2.

Better chance to win game 2 right?
hoborg
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 16:02:14
May 04 2010 15:58 GMT
#3
Game 2... both bets seem to be at equal odds but game 2 is smaller risk - less of a chance of losing all of my ESPORTS dollars.

(Unless in game 2 if you tell me which is not the ace of spades AFTER I make my first choice... in which case game 2 gives a better payout)
blbl | CJ and ACE fighting!
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
May 04 2010 16:00 GMT
#4
$5 on solo mid vs caller
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
May 04 2010 16:05 GMT
#5
$5 bucks on both. (I got sponsors yo!)
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 04 2010 16:19 GMT
#6
4 then 1 because that's how I roll :o
Hey! Listen!
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
May 04 2010 16:24 GMT
#7
5$ on g1 to get it over with, then back to hon
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 04 2010 16:25 GMT
#8
5 dollars on game 1
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #49
incnone
Profile Joined July 2009
17 Posts
May 04 2010 16:34 GMT
#9
As the lame conservative better that I am,

$2 on game 1
$3 on game 2.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 16:35:16
May 04 2010 16:34 GMT
#10
On May 05 2010 00:58 hoborg wrote:
Game 2... both bets seem to be at equal odds but game 2 is smaller risk - less of a chance of losing all of my ESPORTS dollars.

(Unless in game 2 if you tell me which is not the ace of spades AFTER I make my first choice... in which case game 2 gives a better payout)


NVM, I understood your post wrong...
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
May 04 2010 16:36 GMT
#11
Your description of the second game is a bit sloppy. At which time do you tell people which card doesn't win? After they chose(Monty Hall style) or before?
If 2 is not monty hall style I won't play and just keep my 5 E$.
Plating EV=0 games is useless since you only fall to gambler's ruin. And even if they were better than than, as long as you demand that I bet significantly more than the Kelly criterion I won't bet either.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 16:43:09
May 04 2010 16:42 GMT
#12
Pretty much what MoC said.
I would only bother to play all my money on game 2 if it is Monty Hall style.

Otherwise i can always heads or tail with friends.
1/3 to win 3 or 1/2 to win 2x is useless.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 17:07:14
May 04 2010 16:47 GMT
#13
I normally wouldn't bet on something like that either, MoC described my reasons well enough.

However, if I were betting:
$2 on game 1
$3 on game 2

+ Show Spoiler [reason] +
lowest chance to lose money overall


Btw, a single poll with options
5/0, 4/1, 3/2, 2/3, 1/4, 5/0
would have helped avoiding inconsistencies
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 04 2010 16:53 GMT
#14
On May 05 2010 01:34 incnone wrote:
$2 on game 1
$3 on game 2.

Seeing as you have to bet all your dollars this seems like the best option.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 04 2010 17:21 GMT
#15
On May 05 2010 01:36 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Your description of the second game is a bit sloppy. At which time do you tell people which card doesn't win? After they chose(Monty Hall style) or before?
If 2 is not monty hall style I won't play and just keep my 5 E$.
Plating EV=0 games is useless since you only fall to gambler's ruin. And even if they were better than than, as long as you demand that I bet significantly more than the Kelly criterion I won't bet either.

You're right, I should've specified better
-2 is not Monty Hall style. I tell you before you pick that it's not this one or that one.
The condition is you have to play with all your money. I'm fully aware of gambler's ruin. This is just testing something else out ^^
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 04 2010 17:21 GMT
#16
On May 05 2010 01:47 spinesheath wrote:
I normally wouldn't bet on something like that either, MoC described my reasons well enough.

However, if I were betting:
$2 on game 1
$3 on game 2

+ Show Spoiler [reason] +
lowest chance to lose money overall


Btw, a single poll with options
5/0, 4/1, 3/2, 2/3, 1/4, 5/0
would have helped avoiding inconsistencies

I intentionally did it this way ^^
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 04 2010 17:24 GMT
#17
So you wanted to know how many people voded for two random values that don't add up to 5?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 04 2010 17:43 GMT
#18
On May 05 2010 01:36 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Your description of the second game is a bit sloppy. At which time do you tell people which card doesn't win? After they chose(Monty Hall style) or before?
If 2 is not monty hall style I won't play and just keep my 5 E$.
Plating EV=0 games is useless since you only fall to gambler's ruin. And even if they were better than than, as long as you demand that I bet significantly more than the Kelly criterion I won't bet either.


meh, don't be so risk averse and rational, that's boring.

5$ on game 1!
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 04 2010 18:51 GMT
#19
On May 05 2010 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
So you wanted to know how many people voded for two random values that don't add up to 5?

why not
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 04 2010 19:21 GMT
#20
On May 05 2010 03:51 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
So you wanted to know how many people voded for two random values that don't add up to 5?

why not

Just asking.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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