EPTHowever, I really cannot imagine what use are the min only expansions in sc2. You lack gas anyway, why would you take the min only and not any other expansion.
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
However, I really cannot imagine what use are the min only expansions in sc2. You lack gas anyway, why would you take the min only and not any other expansion. | ||
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Zades
United States52 Posts
On April 26 2010 08:20 ggrrg wrote: It looks pretty nice. I gonna try it. However, I really cannot imagine what use are the min only expansions in sc2. You lack gas anyway, why would you take the min only and not any other expansion. Just keeping it to how the original looks like. If, after people fooled around with it and it lacks use, I might go and change it. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
The idea that I had was to make the mineral only expos gold minerals. That way it could force some interesting choices and decision-making. | ||
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GoodCat1
Israel266 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Zades
United States52 Posts
On April 30 2010 01:51 GoodCat1 wrote: WTF with the tileset :/ Yea next version I'm changing it among other things and hopefully it'll look at lot more like SC1 Destination. EDIT: Since Drive is banned for playing the Russian Roulette game, I'll post up 1.5 Destination v1.5 Change Log -Revamped the tileset -Fixed a symmetry problem -Increase size of choke going for natural to the 2 and 8 expo -Changed to cliffs around natural to look more like original -Cliffs around natural cannot be walked on -Blocked building on bridges -Fixed bridges to allow for walling off Download Link: [url blocked] Map Picture + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/dddarrenccc/Destination2v15.jpg) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
There is one published on Bnet right now on USA server that's also pretty good, but he made the bridges way too big ( he may not have considered that units can move together much closer in sc2 than in sc 1 ) and that's a big problem to me xD. Right now though, it's not Published. Can you publish this soon? Or can I go publish it and just give you credit? Since Beta is going to restart/end in a few days xD I want to play against my friends with this map. A couple things that I would love to see: With a fairly long ranged ground unit, to be able to snipe workers or buildings at the mineral line at the naturals. There was this one specific spot at the cliff in sc1 where you could do this, and was very effective with a Lurker or such. Cliffs don't seem to be able to be as thin as in sc1 though, so i don't know if this is possible yet. May be you could have a little "break" in the cliff, and simply put a 1x1 impassable square under Pathing? The bridges to be tweaked a little more. I look at this map for a bit, and it seems like right now it is as good as it can be though, due to limitations (cliffs/bridges only being able to be widened by 2 spaces at a time instead of 1...). But if possible in the future, the inner bridge leading to the natural (the one closer to the main) should be moved to lead more directly into the middle of the mineral line. Generally the two bridges at the natural should be moved a bit closer. I think the easiest way to go about this is to just move the inner bridge closer to the second bridge, even if it only leaves a 1x1 water space in between them, and enlarge the plateaus for the main bases to make up for the new water space. ( Southeast of top base can come out more, northwest of bottom base can come out more ). If you then compare the new changes to the SC1 version, it will be closer as that part of the plateau just out further than the base of the ramp anyways. The only real problem (which is a tiny one) is that the inner natural bridge won't lead straight into the High Yield Expo's ramp, but that's more just for looks than balance xD. Bridges in the middle, if possible, should be thinned inwards. As in, keep the water space between the two bridges as it seems good (enough so that a range 5-7 can hit across? idk) but make them thinner. I think the width you chose is the best though considering that you can't make bridges/cliffs 3 matrices wide but only 2 and 4... One LAST thing ^^ At the High Yield Expo on the left, and the respective on the right: I think you should jut the cliff out just a bit (2x2 space?) at the southeast of the plateau. The SC1 version had this, and so the end of the cliff protruded as far as the base of the ramp, unlike your version. Ok very very long post I know. Haha. But it seems like you spent a lot of good time into this so I hope you probably wanted any bit of feedback possible! Again this map is pretty much the best I've seen, enough for it to be "passing" as a relatively balanced map that can be played on without many problems. Darn the editor, if only it let you make 3x3 matrices xD. Just wondering; did you import via the Legacy Map Import tool? Or did you just totally recreate this? Thanks for making this! LONG LONG post is over. | ||
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Zades
United States52 Posts
Out of the three maps I've seen on this site, I'll have to say I like yours the most! It's more accurate than others and such. There is one published on Bnet right now on USA server that's also pretty good, but he made the bridges way too big ( he may not have considered that units can move together much closer in sc2 than in sc 1 ) and that's a big problem to me xD. Right now though, it's not Published. Can you publish this soon? Or can I go publish it and just give you credit? Since Beta is going to restart/end in a few days xD I want to play against my friends with this map. I published it under Destination 2.0 v1.5, currently revision 0.4 so it's: Destination 2.0 v1.5 v0.4 I think the next time I'll publish it (my v1.6) I'll just name it Destination 2.0 A couple things that I would love to see: With a fairly long ranged ground unit, to be able to snipe workers or buildings at the mineral line at the naturals. There was this one specific spot at the cliff in sc1 where you could do this, and was very effective with a Lurker or such. Cliffs don't seem to be able to be as thin as in sc1 though, so i don't know if this is possible yet. May be you could have a little "break" in the cliff, and simply put a 1x1 impassable square under Pathing? I'll look back into the SC1 version for this. The bridges to be tweaked a little more. I look at this map for a bit, and it seems like right now it is as good as it can be though, due to limitations (cliffs/bridges only being able to be widened by 2 spaces at a time instead of 1...). But if possible in the future, the inner bridge leading to the natural (the one closer to the main) should be moved to lead more directly into the middle of the mineral line. Generally the two bridges at the natural should be moved a bit closer. I think the easiest way to go about this is to just move the inner bridge closer to the second bridge, even if it only leaves a 1x1 water space in between them, and enlarge the plateaus for the main bases to make up for the new water space. ( Southeast of top base can come out more, northwest of bottom base can come out more ). If you then compare the new changes to the SC1 version, it will be closer as that part of the plateau just out further than the base of the ramp anyways. I'll change that in the next version. The only real problem (which is a tiny one) is that the inner natural bridge won't lead straight into the High Yield Expo's ramp, but that's more just for looks than balance xD. I don't quite understand... Bridges in the middle, if possible, should be thinned inwards. As in, keep the water space between the two bridges as it seems good (enough so that a range 5-7 can hit across? idk) but make them thinner. I think the width you chose is the best though considering that you can't make bridges/cliffs 3 matrices wide but only 2 and 4... The only problem with this that I see is forcefields, and reducing the size will furthur disfavor zerg, which on this map already has a hard enough time. I'll think about it and maybe fool around with it but I doubt I'll make them smaller, you have no idea how deadly a few forcefields + storm are on those bridges. One LAST thing ^^ At the High Yield Expo on the left, and the respective on the right: I think you should jut the cliff out just a bit (2x2 space?) at the southeast of the plateau. The SC1 version had this, and so the end of the cliff protruded as far as the base of the ramp, unlike your version. Will add that in next version. Ok very very long post I know. Haha. But it seems like you spent a lot of good time into this so I hope you probably wanted any bit of feedback possible! Again this map is pretty much the best I've seen, enough for it to be "passing" as a relatively balanced map that can be played on without many problems. Darn the editor, if only it let you make 3x3 matrices xD. Thanks for the feedback, I kinda just let this map hang cause there was no more comments and such and went off to play defense games  Just wondering; did you import via the Legacy Map Import tool? Or did you just totally recreate this? I started the map off by importing the Legacy Map. But that didn't really help, the tool is so broken. I ended up redoing most of the map by looking at the original through StarEdit. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
As in, the inner bridge doesn't align directly with the Gold's ramp, or I guess you could say the paths don't coincide. That probably didn't make much sense either though. The only problem with this that I see is forcefields, and reducing the size will furthur disfavor zerg, which on this map already has a hard enough time. I'll think about it and maybe fool around with it but I doubt I'll make them smaller, you have no idea how deadly a few forcefields + storm are on those bridges. Ahh yes, I didn't consider that at all. In that case, the bridge sizes are very nice! I published it under Destination 2.0 v1.5, currently revision 0.4 so it's: Destination 2.0 v1.5 v0.4 I think the next time I'll publish it (my v1.6) I'll just name it Destination 2.0 Ok thanks. I searched "Destination" and it didn't come up with this one, but seems like the search function sort of sucks right now. | ||
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