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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 23:32:43
April 24 2010 20:50 GMT
#1
I just remade Destination for SC2, check it out

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Basically i removed the tight middle from the original and made it a bit more open, i think it will be fun to play on.
Also the desert tileset sucks so im aware of the deco being bad but i just suck at this tileset

If you want to download it, you can do it [url blocked]

UPDATE: Added bridges to middle and a few doodads.

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ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Elaeli
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany62 Posts
April 24 2010 20:53 GMT
#2
The center bridges were the whole point of Destination ..
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
April 24 2010 20:56 GMT
#3
On April 25 2010 05:53 Elaeli wrote:
The center bridges were the whole point of Destination ..


Yeah sorry, I think that the bridges would make SC2 even more interesting (due to much more mobile armies) and would not lead to the mass camping strategies of BW

Still, nice map. 4/5
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
Axonn
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia288 Posts
April 24 2010 20:57 GMT
#4
If I am noticing correctly you have "fattened" 3 and 9 o clock entrances. Some XelNaga watch towers in the middle would be SC2 style. Good idea (my favorite map) when I lay my hands on SC2 I'll definitely try this out. Tnx
Fogul
Profile Joined July 2009
United Kingdom179 Posts
April 24 2010 20:58 GMT
#5
My favourite map ever. I think you made it way too open, those middle bridges and hills were a really big part of destination. It looks like teh bridges to the naturals are abit too short. imo needs alot of work but im glad someone is making destination.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
April 24 2010 20:58 GMT
#6
It seems also the ramps to the 3 and 9 oclock expansions are too wide compared to original. Harder to hold like that
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 21:01:11
April 24 2010 20:59 GMT
#7
On April 25 2010 05:56 YoureFired wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2010 05:53 Elaeli wrote:
The center bridges were the whole point of Destination ..


Yeah sorry, I think that the bridges would make SC2 even more interesting (due to much more mobile armies) and would not lead to the mass camping strategies of BW

Still, nice map. 4/5


No, really. The tight places will really make the map imba. Forcefields will be ridiculously strong if you can make your opponent engage you by a bridge. I believe the only way to counter forcefields is to make the maps bigger/less narrow

On April 25 2010 05:58 Marradron wrote:
It seems also the ramps to the 3 and 9 oclock expansions are too wide compared to original. Harder to hold like that


I guess they are pretty big, i'll make the minerals there high yield to make it more worth defending.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
April 24 2010 21:00 GMT
#8
even though it's a bit bland but it can definitely serve as a prototype for other mappers =)
has potential 5/5
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
April 24 2010 21:05 GMT
#9
It looks really good, but yeah, the bridges kinda need to be there. It may not be "destination" but it looks like it would still be a sweet map to play on. Nice job!
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
April 24 2010 21:05 GMT
#10
not bad. glad you are taking the effort into making maps similar to sc1 ^^
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
April 24 2010 21:15 GMT
#11
Doesn't look terrible, but it loses a bit of what it had in SC1. Why not make the chokes larger?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
April 24 2010 21:28 GMT
#12
I'm not really digging the whole open terrain theme in this version. If Protoss wants to maximize force field effect he will just fight along the cliffs and expos along the sides of the map. He can bust Colossus antics there too, so literally the only confrontations he will engage in will be at his bases or yours.

In original Destination, the terrain and bridges in the middle not only make middle areas more defensible, and thus worth defending, they maintain multiple avenues, which results in a wider, more defined range of army movement options. If you look at Nightmarjoo's map making guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95409) he discusses linearity and pathing and how they relate to the number of viable paths. The original Destination had quite the bevy of viable paths compared to this incarnation.

Now I will admit that part of the huge difference between BW and SC2 is the effect of terrain, not just because of the difference in how high ground works, but also because of how the match-ups in general work. Therefore old wisdom from BW mapping may apply differently or not at all.

I'm also personally annoyed that one reason you cite for avoiding "tight" terrain is one ability's supposed imbalance that doesn't even have a consensus around it.

Anyways good luck with your future mapping endeavors.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Snausages
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States529 Posts
April 24 2010 21:38 GMT
#13
Like everyone else here, I'd like to see the bridges in the middle come back. Having a completely open field for a middle is boring.
teaaaaaaaa
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
April 24 2010 21:47 GMT
#14
On April 25 2010 06:28 EchOne wrote:
I'm not really digging the whole open terrain theme in this version. If Protoss wants to maximize force field effect he will just fight along the cliffs and expos along the sides of the map. He can bust Colossus antics there too, so literally the only confrontations he will engage in will be at his bases or yours.

In original Destination, the terrain and bridges in the middle not only make middle areas more defensible, and thus worth defending, they maintain multiple avenues, which results in a wider, more defined range of army movement options. If you look at Nightmarjoo's map making guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95409) he discusses linearity and pathing and how they relate to the number of viable paths. The original Destination had quite the bevy of viable paths compared to this incarnation.

Now I will admit that part of the huge difference between BW and SC2 is the effect of terrain, not just because of the difference in how high ground works, but also because of how the match-ups in general work. Therefore old wisdom from BW mapping may apply differently or not at all.

I'm also personally annoyed that one reason you cite for avoiding "tight" terrain is one ability's supposed imbalance that doesn't even have a consensus around it.

Anyways good luck with your future mapping endeavors.


Thanks alot, well. I really disliked the original Destination cause of the narrow bridges. I'd get owned when people abused the tight bridges and with the Forcefield being soo annoying in SC1 im experimenting with wider middles to make Forcefields a bit weaker.

If you look at Lost Temple for an example; basically you can easily seal off half the enemies army easily which really makes protoss very strong.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Cube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada777 Posts
April 24 2010 21:56 GMT
#15
instead of bridges in the middle, you could just throw down some terrain, like a divider or a platform or something, it looks so barren...
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
April 24 2010 21:59 GMT
#16
On April 25 2010 06:56 Cube wrote:
instead of bridges in the middle, you could just throw down some terrain, like a divider or a platform or something, it looks so barren...


Im thinking right now, i will come up with something eventually
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
April 24 2010 22:05 GMT
#17
Yeayea, bridges, blahblahblah.

People have criticized enough. I just want to say great job! The map looks well constructed
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
April 24 2010 22:35 GMT
#18
On April 25 2010 07:05 sLiniss wrote:
Yeayea, bridges, blahblahblah.

People have criticized enough. I just want to say great job! The map looks well constructed


Thanks

I MIGHT implement the bridges but then i'll make them a bit broader. I'll experiment with it
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Snausages
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States529 Posts
April 24 2010 23:40 GMT
#19
The three bridges in the middle look off center. Other than that, excellent job
teaaaaaaaa
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 24 2010 23:41 GMT
#20
Looks great, and I wanna pwaaay! I must have played over 30 games straight today and it's just so awesome, but I want more maps to do it on.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
April 24 2010 23:42 GMT
#21
I like it. I like it a lot, actually. That said, I wonder if it would be better on the Desert Oasis tileset then this ergh...::Desert one.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
Snausages
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States529 Posts
April 25 2010 00:00 GMT
#22
I actually like how the map looks right now and don't think switching tilesets would be a good idea. The map just needs better texturing, that's all.
teaaaaaaaa
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 25 2010 00:11 GMT
#23
On April 25 2010 08:42 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I like it. I like it a lot, actually. That said, I wonder if it would be better on the Desert Oasis tileset then this ergh...::Desert one.

Then maybe people should remake maps in all tile sets to make people happy.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Ursad0n
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States523 Posts
April 25 2010 00:16 GMT
#24
Definitely like this better than the other one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=121412
You make it sound like there's a correlation between what should happen and what actually happens. I mean, life is chaotic and it's often unfair. I know it is for me.
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
April 25 2010 00:52 GMT
#25
On April 25 2010 09:11 3FFA wrote:
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On April 25 2010 08:42 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I like it. I like it a lot, actually. That said, I wonder if it would be better on the Desert Oasis tileset then this ergh...::Desert one.

Then maybe people should remake maps in all tile sets to make people happy.


No need to be sarcrastic, you know. =(

But it doesn't matter. Someone made a remake with the Desert Oasis tileset and it looks worse then this one.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
April 25 2010 04:16 GMT
#26
my post... disappeared? or it was deleted i don't know

but you've changed the map since i last saw it. cool work, great job!
Gnarpig
Profile Joined January 2010
United States7 Posts
May 01 2010 15:31 GMT
#27
How do we play on these?
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