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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
April 14 2010 06:18 GMT
#41
On April 14 2010 15:10 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
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On April 14 2010 11:11 armed_ wrote:
On April 14 2010 10:58 micronesia wrote:
Your argument right now is basically like a 14 year old walking into the world math convention and trying to convince everyone that the sum of 1/n converges. In your limited experience you may honestly believe that that's how it is... but there's no chance of you convincing anyone. They will be frustrated because it's very challenging to get you to believe them that it actually diverges. Most likely they will just give up. It's unfair to you but understandable. I'm trying not to give up. Don't say things like "no watching the dub is more enjoyable"... instead maybe something like "so far it's more enjoyable for me, and while I might learn to like it with subs as much as you are claiming in the distance future, I don't plan on watching that much anime so I'll just stick with what is working, but thanks for your suggestions and I'm sure there is logic behind what you are saying fine sirs"

Maybe your giant blocks of text would be more convincing if you actually included a reason why the Japanese voice-acting is better. ;/

I've taken japanese for...6 years now. I've watched anime longer. English dubs typically take out a lot of the subtlety of the dialogue. The japanese language operates on different ideas and cultural values. Often times if you directly translate what they're saying to english it means something different than the intended meaning (in bleach they often say "warui na" which literally means, "some recently referenced situation/noun is bad," and the intended meaning is "I'm sorry" in a very casual way)

the language is contextual; there are more meanings added onto what is said and what groups they're in/regard eachother in and all kinds of stuff that usually gets completely lost in the dubbed version. In the subbed version, the people who do it have to be versed in japanese which implies an awareness of this. because subs don't have to be in perfect english, the translations can at least grasp at it


Yeah but the point is that subtlety is lost on those of us who don't speak Japanese. In other words, decent English dub work communicates better than excellent Japanese voice work just because only a certain amount of the Japanese skills can be transmitted to a non-speaker.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24743 Posts
April 14 2010 10:41 GMT
#42
On April 14 2010 15:18 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 15:10 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
On April 14 2010 11:11 armed_ wrote:
On April 14 2010 10:58 micronesia wrote:
Your argument right now is basically like a 14 year old walking into the world math convention and trying to convince everyone that the sum of 1/n converges. In your limited experience you may honestly believe that that's how it is... but there's no chance of you convincing anyone. They will be frustrated because it's very challenging to get you to believe them that it actually diverges. Most likely they will just give up. It's unfair to you but understandable. I'm trying not to give up. Don't say things like "no watching the dub is more enjoyable"... instead maybe something like "so far it's more enjoyable for me, and while I might learn to like it with subs as much as you are claiming in the distance future, I don't plan on watching that much anime so I'll just stick with what is working, but thanks for your suggestions and I'm sure there is logic behind what you are saying fine sirs"

Maybe your giant blocks of text would be more convincing if you actually included a reason why the Japanese voice-acting is better. ;/

I've taken japanese for...6 years now. I've watched anime longer. English dubs typically take out a lot of the subtlety of the dialogue. The japanese language operates on different ideas and cultural values. Often times if you directly translate what they're saying to english it means something different than the intended meaning (in bleach they often say "warui na" which literally means, "some recently referenced situation/noun is bad," and the intended meaning is "I'm sorry" in a very casual way)

the language is contextual; there are more meanings added onto what is said and what groups they're in/regard eachother in and all kinds of stuff that usually gets completely lost in the dubbed version. In the subbed version, the people who do it have to be versed in japanese which implies an awareness of this. because subs don't have to be in perfect english, the translations can at least grasp at it


Yeah but the point is that subtlety is lost on those of us who don't speak Japanese. In other words, decent English dub work communicates better than excellent Japanese voice work just because only a certain amount of the Japanese skills can be transmitted to a non-speaker.

The grand majority of it is understandable to a non-Japanese speaker.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
April 14 2010 11:06 GMT
#43
why not give subs a try cz?

Considering how you were first skeptical with One Piece too and now you love the whole series it won't hurt to try the subs again
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
April 14 2010 17:03 GMT
#44
On April 14 2010 20:06 MrHoon wrote:
why not give subs a try cz?

Considering how you were first skeptical with One Piece too and now you love the whole series it won't hurt to try the subs again


I'll be out of dubs in 30 episodes so I'll be switching to subs then anyway.
Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
April 14 2010 18:41 GMT
#45
On April 15 2010 02:03 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 20:06 MrHoon wrote:
why not give subs a try cz?

Considering how you were first skeptical with One Piece too and now you love the whole series it won't hurt to try the subs again


I'll be out of dubs in 30 episodes so I'll be switching to subs then anyway.


Haha i knew it! No way anyone could wait weeks or months or however long for the dubs to come out when they know theres already 300+ epic episodes already subbed!
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Understar
CandleJack
Profile Joined March 2010
United States104 Posts
April 14 2010 19:53 GMT
#46
Yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm just going to switch over to subs when I run out of dubs i guess. While at the same time eagerly awaiting the newest funimation releases.
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