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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
April 10 2010 16:21 GMT
#41
betting is illegal in korea rite?

to some extent
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 10 2010 16:30 GMT
#42
Like jaywalking is illegal in the US.
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Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
April 10 2010 17:17 GMT
#43
Doesn't seem surprising given the amount of money to be made by throwing a few games compared to their salaries.

www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Bobdowle
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States53 Posts
April 10 2010 17:44 GMT
#44
I know right if I spent the majority of my life playing video games to get pro at it I would AT LEAST want a nice salary and I mean come on not everyone is a Flash or a Jaedong so you sometimes do what you gotta do.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 10 2010 17:58 GMT
#45
Stork vs. Lx, WCG 2008
http://video.pomoho.com/ent/2165099

Theres a battle where Storks puts 9 zealots on hold so that Lx's 5 dragoons can kill his 4 dragoons.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
April 10 2010 20:06 GMT
#46
I really hope this isnt the case for upmagic and july
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-10 20:36:49
April 10 2010 20:25 GMT
#47
On April 11 2010 01:21 Nal_rAwr wrote:
betting is illegal in korea rite?

to some extent


Yes, but there are a lot of sites that simply find ways around it. There's quite a number of sites that do this, apparently.

Pretty much, all of the images on that fomos link are from betting communities. They're pretty much admitting that there is a heavy amount of match fixing going on. I'd use them as heavy evidence, after all, they are the ones most affected by match fixing.

I'll repost the update here since it'll likely be a bit more visible.

Anyway, Let me do a better translation now that I'm actually awake and not falling asleep.

Note that it seems like these "sports gambling" places are called "Playgrounds", and i'll use that.

First Image:

The Playground Official is posting about the Bogus - Savior game. They had received reports that the game was rigged, but they let the bets go through anyway for some reason.

The last underlined bit talks about Bisu in that they think Bisu's matches that day also seemed a bit more rigged, but The Bogus - Savior game was something they actually got a report on, and the results of the game matched who the fixed loser was going to be.

Pay attention to the date -- this was back in December.

Second Image:

Things in parenthesis are in context. This is a cafe post in a playground.


There still seems to be people who don't believe in match fixing in Starcraft.
There is match fixing in Starcraft.

The biggest reason why people don't believe in match fixing in Starcraft is because they don't fix matches every day.

"Photon"(Name of a user) posted a thread about Starcraft match fixing. He is correct.

The players and the brokers do not directly bet on the game, nor do the "playgrounds"(what seems to be betting communities)

There are three things that are needed to fix a match in Starcraft

1) A player who will join the scheme
2) The broker that manages that player
3) A huge better that "spins"(not 100% sure what they mean here) at least 10 playgrounds

If these three conditions are met, then match fixing becomes possible.

The brokers go around playgrounds, and look for a huge betters, and see how many playgrounds they can "spin".

These brokers also pay attention to the odds given for Starcraft matches. After this, they approach this "huge better", to see if they're interested in a contract.

There are little to no "huge betters" in our cafe that have never been involved in one of these contracts

There are now more obstacles that make match fixing a little harder, but a long time ago, it was very easy and the playgrounds were swept by them.

<snip>


Third Image:

Translating the important bits from the post



Title: Police are investigating the Match Fixing in Starcraft

There was a lot of talk about whether or not there was Match Fixing in Starcraft.
Because I was one of those who knew about match fixing, I 100% believed it.

There was about two incidents where fixed matches were actually betted on.

<snip>

There will be an article on this soon.
There were a lot of pro players that had their hands in this. However, they are now wondering whether or not they should expand the issue or not.
I can't believe Jaedong and Bisu didn't get caught

Anyway, Starcraft should be safe to bet on
You'd have to be very very brave to even think about match fixing at this point.

<snip>


Yeah not sure if that remark about Jaedong and Bisu is believable judging by his tone (then again I rather not believe it).

In the comment thread the guy claims that Savior fixed the most number of matches, that a lot of the players in Hite got caught, and that the Hite's coach may be replaced soon. (note that this was back in february)

He also commented that Flash is very honest (ie, not involved)

Fourth Image:

The Cafe Staff in a playground warning about Betting in games by UpMaGic, YellOw[ArnC], Luxury, because "everyone knows" there are forces behind planning their games.

-----

"interesting" indeed. So there's evidence of this "even before the recent events", and the names seem to match up too well for comfort.

Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
April 10 2010 21:48 GMT
#48
I think rek already said a while ago when he first dropped the anma bomb that jaedong and flash are both too young to be in stuff like that.
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Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
April 10 2010 21:56 GMT
#49
On April 11 2010 06:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I think rek already said a while ago when he first dropped the anma bomb that jaedong and flash are both too young to be in stuff like that.

Actually, Jaedong and FlaSh are good enough to just bet on themselves.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 10 2010 23:33 GMT
#50
On April 11 2010 06:56 Triple7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2010 06:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I think rek already said a while ago when he first dropped the anma bomb that jaedong and flash are both too young to be in stuff like that.

Actually, Jaedong and FlaSh are good enough to just bet on themselves.

Thats what would make it worse. Can you imagine the action you could get betting against Flash in his massive TvT streak?
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
April 11 2010 00:07 GMT
#51
On April 10 2010 20:53 Mortician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2010 20:39 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
WhiteRa kept beating Stork and Stork kept beating Ex and Ex kept beating whitera. Eventually it broke up after something like 4 tiebreakers.


What !?

Stork wanted to come in 2nd to avoid meeting Hwasin (I think) in the Ro8. To do that he needed to go 1-1 in the tiebreaker and have the other players go 2-0 and 0-2 (instead of both 1-1), which meant he needed to lose to the winner of White-Ra vs Ex. Presumably he banked on White-Ra beating Ex, so he threw his game vs White-Ra, but Ra lost to Ex. So they had another tiebreaker and the same thing happened again... and again. IIRC eventually Stork gave up and 2-0'd them, and went on to knock Hwasin out.
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Crimson
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States311 Posts
April 11 2010 05:36 GMT
#52
On the lux vs hwasin game posted in the op...

watch from about 4:05 on until lux engages the marines with his drones. they just stand there and do not attack for most of the time. he gets his drones up by the marines. but they don't do anything.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:41:43
April 11 2010 06:39 GMT
#53
We should get real proof/confirmation before we make such serious accusations. I'm not denying the possibility by any means, I'm quite certain shady shit happens more often than we suspect, but it seems irresponsible to spam rumors. However, this is in the blog section, so it's less wreckless... but then again, it's being initiated by TL supremes like WaxAngel and Rekrul, thus it's going to carry far more weight than a mere blog. But it all feels so dirty. Proof, please. With that said, I completely understand why this blog was made, I just... Blek. It's like bad teasing.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:45:27
April 11 2010 06:44 GMT
#54
On April 11 2010 14:36 Crimson wrote:
On the lux vs hwasin game posted in the op...

watch from about 4:05 on until lux engages the marines with his drones. they just stand there and do not attack for most of the time. he gets his drones up by the marines. but they don't do anything.

No. They killed 2 or 3 rines, but Hwasin had a nice spread of remaining rines and thus repelled the remaining drones. Granted, it wasn't wonderful control, but he was fucked at that point regardless.
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
April 11 2010 07:02 GMT
#55
Ofcourse bogus savior game was rigged- The clue was in the name! jk

Kinda sad to see this, but not really surprising. What kind of consequences can they face and what's the likelihood?
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
April 11 2010 07:07 GMT
#56
I'm really just curious to see how far back this goes.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
April 11 2010 07:15 GMT
#57
no more than before 2007, no betting before sc before then
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hofodomo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States257 Posts
April 11 2010 07:39 GMT
#58
It's completely conceivable (and inevitable) that betting and match-throwing would somehow be involved in something this big (read: when there's a lot of money involved). I guess I just didn't want to believe...


On April 11 2010 09:07 SonuvBob wrote:
eventually Stork gave up and 2-0'd them, and went on to knock Hwasin out.


<3 Stork.
Smoke weed ev'ry day.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
April 11 2010 07:53 GMT
#59
On April 11 2010 16:15 phosphorylation wrote:
no more than before 2007, no betting before sc before then

is that a fact, sir?
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 07:53:57
April 11 2010 07:53 GMT
#60
that what i get out of korean sources
none of this is really fact yet
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