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Blizzard "Advertises" ICCup :O - Page 2

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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 25 2010 03:49 GMT
#21
Iccup's horrible though. The Sc2 beta match making is pretty kick ass, just needs some fixes and lan lat.
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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
February 25 2010 03:51 GMT
#22
iccup is only horrible because A) the people who run it and B) its nothing new, Gamei, PGtour, etc all came before it.

I just dont understand why so many people think iccup is the "end-all" ladder for sc.. and Its the most ludicrous thing in the world when people say "So when will SC2 get iccup".. when the only reason iccup is alive in the first place is because Blizzard isnt moderating the hackers on their SC1 ladder, cause its a 10 year old game.
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Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
February 25 2010 03:54 GMT
#23
On February 25 2010 12:19 lokiM wrote:
they've advertised iccup on the bnet ladder page before, nothing new really


For 30 minutes, 'til they edited the article.
Anyways there's no doubt iCCup is against terms of use. But Blizzard choses to just ignore it, let's look at pro's / con's:

pros:
-Keeps starcraft alive, moderated and competitive
-Blizzard manpower can be spent elsewhere, no need to police bnet anymore
-The hardcore fanbase thinks Blizzard is fucking awesome for leaving iCCup alone
-Newcomers are easier to recruit (try asking your friends to play a game they haven't heard of, then tell them it's free...), which in return generates even more hype for SC2.

cons:
-You ignore your own terms of use, setting a bad example. But lets be honest, the only private ladder you could run and take away customers from Blizzard would be a WoW ladder, which they have already proven they can and will shut down... Several times.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9789 Posts
February 25 2010 05:02 GMT
#24
On February 25 2010 12:54 Adeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2010 12:19 lokiM wrote:
they've advertised iccup on the bnet ladder page before, nothing new really


For 30 minutes, 'til they edited the article.
Anyways there's no doubt iCCup is against terms of use. But Blizzard choses to just ignore it, let's look at pro's / con's:

pros:
-Keeps starcraft alive, moderated and competitive
-Blizzard manpower can be spent elsewhere, no need to police bnet anymore
-The hardcore fanbase thinks Blizzard is fucking awesome for leaving iCCup alone
-Newcomers are easier to recruit (try asking your friends to play a game they haven't heard of, then tell them it's free...), which in return generates even more hype for SC2.

cons:
-You ignore your own terms of use, setting a bad example. But lets be honest, the only private ladder you could run and take away customers from Blizzard would be a WoW ladder, which they have already proven they can and will shut down... Several times.


its not really a bad example if people understand why they're doing it. and the people who dont understand don't matter anyways.
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LordofAscension
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States589 Posts
February 25 2010 05:13 GMT
#25
Different teams - I seriously doubt the legal team is the one tweeting :p

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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
February 25 2010 05:23 GMT
#26
Does Russia even care about violating terms of use?
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
February 25 2010 10:35 GMT
#27
On February 25 2010 11:50 NeoOmega wrote:
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On February 25 2010 11:38 sixghost wrote:
On February 25 2010 11:30 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 25 2010 11:27 TheYango wrote:
On February 25 2010 11:20 Gao Xi wrote:
I think Blizzard should hire iCCup or w/e and use iCCup ladders instead of making their own.
I don't think they can shut it down because they're not doing anything illegal (i think)

None of it's explicitly illegal, but some of it's certainly questionable.

iCCup itself doesn't distribute illegal copies of the game, but The Abyss hosts an illegal copy of Starcraft, and I don't think they can really claim ignorance about it.

Plus, last I can remember, the legal status of PvPGN is pretty hazy, given that it's based on bnetd. Blizzard hasn't explicitly gone after them, but that doesn't mean it's legal.

This. Everyone knows that ICCup is not allowed by Blizzard's terms, the point is that Blizzard is ignoring their own terms for the good of their game, which is excellent. However, they've never directly supported ICCup in any way before this, as far as I know.

What terms exactly are they violating? I really doubt iCCup is ran for a profit. The only thing that might be a little weird is the free version of BW that you can get from their site.


A lot of people seem to think that as long as your not making a profit its ok to run something Iccup when that is defiantly not the case. Iccup has taken a the product of battle.net, basically copied the frame and made a few minor adjustments. In doing so they are using material that they do not own the rights too and they are driving traffic away from battle.net. This has most definitely cost Blizzard money in advertising and I bet this kind of argument would hold up in a court.

However, the money Blizzard has lost to Iccup is far outweighed by the popularity Iccup has brought to Blizzards products. This is a critical time for Blizzard, and the more press SC1 gets, the more hype SC2 gets.

You vastly overestimate the ad income. Have you ever checked what kind of banners they show in bnet? How many people do you think click on these and eventually buy stuff? Very little, if any at all. Ad revenue is a joke.

Blizzard is definitely not losing money to iccup because the traffic and server costs of bnet are higher than any revenue they might have. In fact I would rather say that they saved money by having to deal with less traffic costs due to people playing on iccup.
On February 25 2010 12:03 Pokebunny wrote:
Exactly. The unique part is that Blizzard realizes it is helping their game and doesn't want to go nazi corporation mode and rape iccup.

iccup is extremely beneficial for the old bnet and starcraft. Otherwise Blizzard could have supported their own ladder and implemented lan latency and taken legal measures against iccup. As there currently is no way to monetize the old bnet, they focus their attention on sc2 and the new bnet. This doesn't have to do anything with nazi corporation mode or raping at all.
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
February 25 2010 10:39 GMT
#28
On February 25 2010 12:54 Adeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2010 12:19 lokiM wrote:
they've advertised iccup on the bnet ladder page before, nothing new really


For 30 minutes, 'til they edited the article.
Anyways there's no doubt iCCup is against terms of use. But Blizzard choses to just ignore it, let's look at pro's / con's:

pros:
-Keeps starcraft alive, moderated and competitive
-Blizzard manpower can be spent elsewhere, no need to police bnet anymore
-The hardcore fanbase thinks Blizzard is fucking awesome for leaving iCCup alone
-Newcomers are easier to recruit (try asking your friends to play a game they haven't heard of, then tell them it's free...), which in return generates even more hype for SC2.

cons:
-You ignore your own terms of use, setting a bad example. But lets be honest, the only private ladder you could run and take away customers from Blizzard would be a WoW ladder, which they have already proven they can and will shut down... Several times.


How about

CON: Reduces sales.
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