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*edit* I wasn't expecting so much flaming for a blog post so let me clarify: I like CSL. I don't like sitting around for 30 minutes. That is all
Ever wonder what it would be like to have your home team play against your biggest rivals -- not on the football field, but instead on the virtual landscape of StarCraft?
Answer - Like football, but without the referees.
Why is CSL pissing me off?
Answer - Lack of admins. Basically I have to sit there with the other people trying to figure out who the fuck can host a game since we're all stuck behind our shitty school firewalls, dealing with bullshit like people who aren't involved in the match trolling the channel, while waiting 40 minutes to play a match because one of their team members is off taking a shit or something. After 39 minutes and 50 seconds I would just say fuck it and call the forfeit rule but THERE'S NO ADMINS IN THE GODDAMN CHANNEL.
CSL should either get more referees to make sure the rules are followed if they're going to have 40 people in the channel because EVERYONE is playing at 8 pm EST, or they should just spread out the times more so everyone isn't in there at once. Just my opinion.
Note that this is mostly referring to last season (coughMcGill). I just got my ass handed to me in the first match of this season and I don't think any amount of admins in the channel would have fixed that.
 
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On February 14 2010 17:41 dig wrote:
Ever wonder what it would be like to have your home team play against your biggest rivals -- not on the football field, but instead on the virtual landscape of StarCraft?
Answer - Like football, but without the referees.
Why is CSL pissing me off?
Answer - Lack of admins. Basically I have to sit there with the other people trying to figure out who the fuck can host a game since we're all stuck behind our shitty school firewalls, dealing with bullshit like people who aren't involved in the match trolling the channel, while waiting 40 minutes to play a match because one of their team members is off taking a shit or something. After 39 minutes and 50 seconds I would just say fuck it and call the forfeit rule but THERE'S NO ADMINS IN THE GODDAMN CHANNEL.
CSL should either get more referees to make sure the rules are followed if they're going to have 40 people in the channel because EVERYONE is playing at 8 pm EST, or they should just spread out the times more so everyone isn't in there at once. Just my opinion.
Note that this is mostly referring to last season (coughMcGill). I just got my ass handed to me in the first match of this season and I don't think any amount of admins in the channel would have fixed that.
Can't you just get someone to host for you :/?
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Braavos36374 Posts
I dunno, every CSL match I've played in has been great. The other teams have been nice and accommodating, and there have been no conflicts at all. I've met a few SC playing guys and we have fun playing games to practice for upcoming CSL matches. I don't recall anything negative.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Yeah. IMO the last sentence tells you where the rest of the nerdrage is coming from.
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I've been very impressed early on so far in my first CSL season. amazing website, friendly people, very prompt fast responses to emails. So far I have 0 complaints.
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lol wtf? then don't play? have you volunteered to be an admin? and seriously you could have gone to channel CSL or any of the other CSL-affiliated channels (whether its a school channel or a match channel) and find someone to host. i remember i hosted and obsed an emory game once even though i'm in a totally different division. and the time thing - maybe you should go to channel CSL to talk to the admins that are usually hanging out there? use common sense more yes?
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solutions:
1) become an admin
2) presumably each of you have many iccup friends, of which you can find one of them and ask to host for you
3) go to channel csl and ask someone to host for you. i was there the entire day today so i know that people were constantly active.
4) each team supposedly has a coordinator. this means they would be in charge of calling in forfeits and walkovers and stuff.
5) csl also has division admin, and a bunch of the admin were online today. i'm sure a quick message to any of them would help deal with your issues.
...it honestly seems like you tried your hardest to keep yourself from being helped. I think CSL has been run really quite well for a reoccuring amateur tourney. one upside to this blog is that now you know how to help yourself for next time!
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On February 14 2010 17:41 dig wrote:
Answer - Lack of admins. Basically I have to sit there with the other people trying to figure out who the fuck can host a game since we're all stuck behind our shitty school firewalls, dealing with bullshit like people who aren't involved in the match trolling the channel, while waiting 40 minutes to play a match because one of their team members is off taking a shit or something. After 39 minutes and 50 seconds I would just say fuck it and call the forfeit rule but THERE'S NO ADMINS IN THE GODDAMN CHANNEL.
While we're not in the channel at all times, DarthThienAn, dsh, Xeris, and I try to idle in channel for major complaints during peak hours. Shoot us a whisper and we'll try to deal with your problems. In fact, please email us with complaints so that we can respond to them! It's kind of hard responding to feedback that isn't directed to our email account or website 
CSL should either get more referees to make sure the rules are followed if they're going to have 40 people in the channel because EVERYONE is playing at 8 pm EST, or they should just spread out the times more so everyone isn't in there at once. Just my opinion.
Were you one of the people who PM'd Xeris with an offer of volunteering? Great! Come help out!
Just to clarify something that you seem to have misunderstood - usually, teams only take the standardized time as a fallback time. If there are really conflicts between teams, they're usually not BM enough to refuse rescheduling. They also move to different channels (CSL1, CSL2, CSL3, maybe even CSL4!) when there are too many people in CSL. If teams are no-shows and you send us an email calling them out on it, usually the other team also isn't BM enough to make excuses about not showing up. Since we don't really have enough admin to be as official as football with referees at every game, there's a bit of mature self-regulation and common sense involved with the process of playing in the league.
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Edit: Oh shit I meant CPL LOL ignore my post
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Braavos36374 Posts
On February 14 2010 18:13 YoonHo wrote:CSL is awesome l10f is doing a great job as an admin (I don't if there are others). Our team hasn't had a problem went it came to needing admins, we pretty much solved it ourselves and pm'd l10f. Only problem for me is that my pupils never show up for the clan wars as of recently .
CSL != CPL
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Who are you? what school / division? If you let me know, perhaps I can make your next match will be smoother.
Every 8-9 schools (division) has an admin aka "referee", should be more than enough to cover you all with a little patience.
I started off something like 3 games consecutive earlier today: host game, wait for players, start, leave, join another channel, host game, etc. etc.
at 8pm est today, i was pretty active online for about 1-2 hours purely admin-ing. I know for a fact that there were at least 2 other div admins online, as well as a couple of the head admins in csl.
Please also note that even the people who joined the staff are basically all still college students - busy with life and they can't make every match.
Not to mention we had 100+ csl players/people online at that time (3 out of 4 matches in my division were at that time, and they were even more that i wasnt keeping track out). Slick is right, just ask someone to host. There are plenty who would be able and willing. Sometimes, it just doesn't work, but that's rare.
Waiting 40 minutes for a match and not playing? Call the forfeit rule at 30 minutes and just email your division admin telling them what happened. You don't need an admin eyewitness, although it obviously helps. It's pretty rare for a school to deny they didn't show - at most they say there was a miscommunication.
And actually, the McGill - Hampshire game went pretty smoothly today, don't recall there being any problems at all except for waking up some McGill players from their afk states (that didn't take too long).
Let me tell you my experience today regarding CSL:
woke up sometime around 130, went for a quick lunch with my laptop because there was a match at 2 (think that was McGill / Hampshire). Hampshire took something like 15-20 minutes to show up because they had to reinstall sc on the school computers they were using. McGill was pretty patient - "going afk, call/text me when my match is up." After that it was smooth sailing - I hosted a couple of the games for them and then left because I had a little lag; chilled in the channel after. The match ended around 330 or so.
Spent the next few hours working (hw) while in channel / hunting down players for the All Star match.
Had dinner around 5 or 6, then went straight back to work, hooked Nony and Frozen up with their opponents during this time.
8pm - had 3 matches to admin; there were like 50 or 60 people in the channel (75% of them active), couldn't read the chat, so I told each of the three matches to go to csl1, csl2, csl3. Spent the next 1-2 hours bouncing back between csl, csl1, csl2, and csl3, checking for updates, problems, hosting games, etc. Spent a lot of time with the harvard/carleton match since they had lag / joining game issues even when i hosted.
Had a little break before the All Star match at 10 - that last until 11 or 12? Yeahhh. ^^
So basically, I was online about 70-80% of the time from 2pm to 12am. And I was actively chatting/doing stuff for at least 50% of that time.
I remember at one point, hazelynut, xeris, yenta, dsh, and I were all online in channel csl at the same time.
piko and crescentia were online during the "peak" tonight as well, admining for their divisions. Dunno about my other division admins  .
So...please think about you say before you start saying we don't have admins working.
On February 14 2010 18:13 YoonHo wrote:CSL is awesome l10f is doing a great job as an admin (I don't if there are others). Our team hasn't had a problem went it came to needing admins, we pretty much solved it ourselves and pm'd l10f. Only problem for me is that my pupils never show up for the clan wars as of recently .
O_o. l10f? o_o
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Or you could... you know, just talk to the other team.
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Please don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy CSL and playing with other schools. I do, and I think the people who organize it deserve a great big hug. It's just that sometimes I get annoyed when I want to play some Starcraft, and instead I spend most of my time sitting around waiting to play. I did go into the CSL channel and ask if anyone could host and somebody offered to and then... didn't host. So I dunno what to make of that.
The match I had today was good for the most part, we had some lat issues but that was it. Last season was when we had to sit around for almost an hour while we waited for some guy who was afk in the channel, and our coordinator couldn't call a forfeit because there were no admins in the channel. After that I stopped playing for that season, and this semester people wanted to start it up again, so I'm coordinating the team now.
So, basically most of this was delayed nerd rage. Yeah I was pissed that we got 3-0'd. I'll get over it.
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On February 14 2010 18:32 dig wrote:
Please don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy CSL and playing with other schools. I do, and I think the people who organize it deserve a great big hug. It's just that sometimes I get annoyed when I want to play some Starcraft, and instead I spend most of my time sitting around waiting to play. I did go into the CSL channel and ask if anyone could host and somebody offered to and then... didn't host. So I dunno what to make of that.
The match I had today was good for the most part, we had some lat issues but that was it. Last season was when we had to sit around for almost an hour while we waited for some guy who was afk in the channel, and our coordinator couldn't call a forfeit because there were no admins in the channel. After that I stopped playing for that season, and this semester people wanted to start it up again, so I'm coordinating the team now.
So, basically most of this was delayed nerd rage. Yeah I was pissed that we got 3-0'd. I'll get over it.
For future references, you can call forfeits without an admin. The only problem is if they deny it, which then goes to email records and messy stuff like that - pretty rare, like I said.
Add 'DarthThienAn' or ' [CSL]ThienAn ' to your /f l and pm me if you ever need anything for a match then.
Next time you nerd rage, don't call us admins out
Edit: What kinda of smiley is ----> ' [ <---- -_-
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I love people that complain about lack of man power/people on tap to help out your every need when someone is spending a lot of their spare time to provide a free service with no benefit to themselves other than the communities entertainment... 5/5 blog!
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Okay it's not like our fault you're so incompetent. We have to take care of like 8 schools. I mean, while we do our best to try and help you, we can't babysit you, you know?
And CSL is supposed to be fun. You're like taking this too seriously okay.
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I think CSL management is good 
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FishNChips...you're British. Shut the fuck up.
CSL pisses me off too for the same reasons it pisses off the OP.
Even though it all works out in the end, it's just a pain in the ass managing players on my own team who are more or less motivated. I have some that are very motivated, then I have players like fucking Dino (whom I would bet my life on beating all but only a few players in the CSL) where I literally have to go to his place, knock on his door, and kick him awake to make to matches. Then I have disgruntled newer players who get mad about not being put into lineups when they're below D- and just quit keeping contact altogether because of that. Then I have middle of the road people who want games...then I have to weigh whether really trying to go for winning the division and making it to playoffs, or trying to spread playtime to as may different players as possible. But then I get people who REALLY want to win on my ass, and people who don't really give a shit just...not giving a shit.
THEN there are the actual matches. Most go well. The other teams are chill, the other players are chill and fun to talk to, the other coordinators are chill and easy to work with. But then there are teams who have absolute dick motherfucking douche bags for coordinators. I seriously wanted to go visit that jackass with duct tape and a baseball bat (I'm not gonna name names). Then there's players not showing up...too many players showing up and lagging games as obs and refusing to leave...blah blah blah fucking blah.
Then we have the fucking reporting system...this season apparently they're going to hand out set forfeits to teams who don't hand in replays. I honestly tried to get replays last season and it just does not fucking work. That fucking kills me. UCR isn't going to be a contender for the playoffs this season, and it won't be because of our players.
I'm drunk.
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CSL is awesome. The whole point is to get together and play with other schools and it does its job well =)
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csl is awesome why so butthurt
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csl is nice
fuck ohio state
I do agree about showing up on time, infact its a problem in ALL CW's -_- 30 minute late rule is dumb, how about you show up on time early so the draw can be submitted by the specified time.
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On February 14 2010 21:35 PH wrote:
FishNChips...you're British. Shut the fuck up.
CSL pisses me off too for the same reasons it pisses off the OP.
Even though it all works out in the end, it's just a pain in the ass managing players on my own team who are more or less motivated. I have some that are very motivated, then I have players like fucking Dino (whom I would bet my life on beating all but only a few players in the CSL) where I literally have to go to his place, knock on his door, and kick him awake to make to matches. Then I have disgruntled newer players who get mad about not being put into lineups when they're below D- and just quit keeping contact altogether because of that. Then I have middle of the road people who want games...then I have to weigh whether really trying to go for winning the division and making it to playoffs, or trying to spread playtime to as may different players as possible. But then I get people who REALLY want to win on my ass, and people who don't really give a shit just...not giving a shit.
THEN there are the actual matches. Most go well. The other teams are chill, the other players are chill and fun to talk to, the other coordinators are chill and easy to work with. But then there are teams who have absolute dick motherfucking douche bags for coordinators. I seriously wanted to go visit that jackass with duct tape and a baseball bat (I'm not gonna name names). Then there's players not showing up...too many players showing up and lagging games as obs and refusing to leave...blah blah blah fucking blah.
Then we have the fucking reporting system...this season apparently they're going to hand out set forfeits to teams who don't hand in replays. I honestly tried to get replays last season and it just does not fucking work. That fucking kills me. UCR isn't going to be a contender for the playoffs this season, and it won't be because of our players.
I'm drunk.
That is epic post ^^
Beer pong is good CSL incentive IMO.. best incentive is Swig N Pass though.
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hey, I used to be mcgill coordinator ... what did I do wrong , I feel sorry now for w/e I did just chill man.
Last semester, I had to always run after my players and have to make harsh decision like not letting bad players play every week, but whenever I thought we would win rather easily, I'd put myself and this other guy in the cw that were guaranteed to win and I'd just add put 2 okay (D / D-/ D+) players. Worse comes to worse we'd win in the ace, but usually one of the okay players would pull through if not both of them.
So ya... why you hating on mcgill ?
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it was nobodies fault that people couldnt host.
-__-
gl rest of season
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On February 14 2010 21:35 PH wrote:
FishNChips...you're British. Shut the fuck up.
CSL pisses me off too for the same reasons it pisses off the OP.
Even though it all works out in the end, it's just a pain in the ass managing players on my own team who are more or less motivated. I have some that are very motivated, then I have players like fucking Dino (whom I would bet my life on beating all but only a few players in the CSL) where I literally have to go to his place, knock on his door, and kick him awake to make to matches. Then I have disgruntled newer players who get mad about not being put into lineups when they're below D- and just quit keeping contact altogether because of that. Then I have middle of the road people who want games...then I have to weigh whether really trying to go for winning the division and making it to playoffs, or trying to spread playtime to as may different players as possible. But then I get people who REALLY want to win on my ass, and people who don't really give a shit just...not giving a shit.
THEN there are the actual matches. Most go well. The other teams are chill, the other players are chill and fun to talk to, the other coordinators are chill and easy to work with. But then there are teams who have absolute dick motherfucking douche bags for coordinators. I seriously wanted to go visit that jackass with duct tape and a baseball bat (I'm not gonna name names). Then there's players not showing up...too many players showing up and lagging games as obs and refusing to leave...blah blah blah fucking blah.
Then we have the fucking reporting system...this season apparently they're going to hand out set forfeits to teams who don't hand in replays. I honestly tried to get replays last season and it just does not fucking work. That fucking kills me. UCR isn't going to be a contender for the playoffs this season, and it won't be because of our players.
I'm drunk.
this is a dilemma that every coordinator goes through, and you should understand that it can be a thankless, stressful job trying to impose some order onto the lives of irresponsible immature college students, so we've experienced your problems and are quite aware of how much it can suck
but here's the thing - it IS your players that'll prevent you from being a contender, because it's clear that they don't care enough about getting into playoffs to submit replays, or to show up to practice. I'd understand if it was a lower rung team (like my alma mater, who has never won) that players treat it less seriously, but if your team has the talent to win then do what it takes so you won't have retarded losses due to not submitting paperwork. if you have B-team players that want to play, schedule them far in advance and make them practice their asses off for that one match so they can get a regular lineup spot if they prove themselves. if you have people that are driven, then have them do other work for the team on top of their own practice matches.
the other thing is - why bring your complaints up about other teams here in public, after they've happened? when you can talk to the CSL admins in private and let them know about the situation so we can do something in the moment? last season we gave out warnings for manner for schools that were jerks, with threat of set losses/season ban if they didn't shape up.
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I just had my very first CSL match last night and I thought it was really good. It's only their third season, I believe there's a lot more teams this season than last, so I expected they would have some trouble running things, but I didn't encounter any problems. There were some moments where noone would host, but we got that sorted out in pretty short order, and we also had an admin pop into our channel every 20 seconds asking if things were going OK. Overall I didn't have problems. There was maybe a 15 minute waiting time waiting for someone to host a game, but it's not exactly the CSL admins' fault that the ~2 people that could host went afk for just a little moment
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?
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On February 14 2010 18:19 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 18:13 YoonHo wrote:CSL is awesome l10f is doing a great job as an admin (I don't if there are others). Our team hasn't had a problem went it came to needing admins, we pretty much solved it ourselves and pm'd l10f. Only problem for me is that my pupils never show up for the clan wars as of recently . CSL != CPL
rofl
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k here's what i do
1) Contact the other school admin beforehand to agree on a channel:
e.g. waterloo vs ryerson = channel WvsR
2) Get everyone to show 15 min before match
3) Get a non-shitty internet connection
4) ???
5) Profit
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PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?
I was disappointed I scouted the wrong direction and my opponent BO fuxed me. I kinda blame CSL.
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We have more than enough admins, yesterday there were 4 admins sitting in the channel (I was there for multiple hours). =P
It's not like the admins can host games either, being an admin doesn't give you some magic game-hosting ability.
Also, if you really need to take a free win, an admin doesn't actually need to be there. All you need is proof that you are warranted to take a win. I.E, screenshots showing how much time has passed and that your opponent didn't show up.
Just email that to your division admin and - problem solved.
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wtf, CSL is so well run! UWO didnt have any problems with timings and whatnot, most teams are GM and we had some awesome games!
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United States10774 Posts
CSL is amazing.
much <3 to the admins for their hard work.
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csl is great, one of my favorite things about being in school lol
What i did with organizing who plays or not was 1st season we didnt care about if we advanced to the playoffs or not (since our team wasnt too great any way) and we just tried to let everyone play an equal amount of games. last season we decided that since we had a pretty good team to let our top 2-3 players play every match and then have a small tournament for who else gets to play (most fair way to do it really). This season is pretty similar to last season.
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There's a joke here somewhere: people on TL.net complain too much.
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On February 14 2010 22:52 Sadist wrote:
csl is nice
fuck ohio state
I do agree about showing up on time, infact its a problem in ALL CW's -_- 30 minute late rule is dumb, how about you show up on time early so the draw can be submitted by the specified time.
The rule is because, what if your school has some last minute problems that take a little bit of time to resolve?
30 minutes isn't that long - most matches are 1-1.5 hrs, unless you do simultaneous matches. Add the lag time between matches that often occurs (just 'cause it does) and it can go up to 2, or even 3 hours. If you wait the 30minutes, you get the free win. If they show up at 29:59, then that's pretty rare, and also, it's only 30 minutes, which is 1-2 games.
If you want them to show up "early", just set the time to meet an hour back or something? o.O.
On February 15 2010 00:17 Freaky[x] wrote:hey, I used to be mcgill coordinator ... what did I do wrong , I feel sorry now for w/e I did just chill man. Last semester, I had to always run after my players and have to make harsh decision like not letting bad players play every week, but whenever I thought we would win rather easily, I'd put myself and this other guy in the cw that were guaranteed to win and I'd just add put 2 okay (D / D-/ D+) players. Worse comes to worse we'd win in the ace, but usually one of the okay players would pull through if not both of them. So ya... why you hating on mcgill ?
I'm confused. I thought you were one of the D- players? lololol xD
On February 15 2010 02:44 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault? I was disappointed I scouted the wrong direction and my opponent BO fuxed me. I kinda blame CSL.
I had a bye this week. I wanted to play -___-. CSL so dumb.
[PH]
On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.
Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.
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small schools have the worst of it - their players are usually bad, and if they aren't too motivated once they get raped a few times they stop playing, but you're forced to rely on them because you have no one else =/
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On February 14 2010 19:00 Piko wrote:
Okay it's not like our fault you're so incompetent. We have to take care of like 8 schools. I mean, while we do our best to try and help you, we can't babysit you, you know?
And CSL is supposed to be fun. You're like taking this too seriously okay. meng's angry side finally shows.
i'm quoting this for safekeeping  .
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On February 15 2010 01:30 Purind wrote:
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?
I was ranting about the CSL as a league...which doesnt necessarily have to do with how it's run...any problems I have with the people running it was all pretty much covered by the OP.
The CSL isn't just the people who run it...
On February 15 2010 05:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
[PH]
On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.
Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.
I try to keep it fun, and telling bad players they can't play makes them lose interest and eventually lose contact period. At one point, we had more than twelve people all active, playing, keeping our school's iccup channel alive and all that. Then week by week as only the good players C- and above get spots, it just stops being interesting for them.
BTW...Dino is our team's best player. He's a very good player, which is why I would make the effort to actually go and kick his ass awake.
I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.
You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there.
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On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:
I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.
You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there.
aww this is sad. darththienan is a huge part of the admin process and definitely up there with xeris, hazelynut, and d3. =(
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On February 16 2010 01:08 duckett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:
I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.
You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there. aww this is sad. darththienan is a huge part of the admin process and definitely up there with xeris, hazelynut, and d3. =(
I'm only a part-timer... sort of like batman is to the justice league =]
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On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 01:30 Purind wrote:
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault? I was ranting about the CSL as a league...which doesnt necessarily have to do with how it's run...any problems I have with the people running it was all pretty much covered by the OP. The CSL isn't just the people who run it... Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 05:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
[PH]
On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.
Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.
I try to keep it fun, and telling bad players they can't play makes them lose interest and eventually lose contact period. At one point, we had more than twelve people all active, playing, keeping our school's iccup channel alive and all that. Then week by week as only the good players C- and above get spots, it just stops being interesting for them. BTW...Dino is our team's best player. He's a very good player, which is why I would make the effort to actually go and kick his ass awake. I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about. You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there.
Of course they'll lose interest. That's what happens to people who don't make the cut and don't have the motivation to get better, right? No offense to them of course, but every sports teams has members who don't get played every game. It's just a part of getting better - everyone gets discouraged at some point, and if you let that stop you, then that's how it goes.
I know Dino's your best player, and I know he's worth physically finding and waking up. Which is why you shouldn't complain that you have to do it o.O. I wouldn't might having someone like Dino on my team (he's chill, too =P).
In that case, drunk comments are always the best~
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On February 16 2010 01:08 duckett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:
I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.
You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there. aww this is sad. darththienan is a huge part of the admin process and definitely up there with xeris, hazelynut, and d3. =(
I didn't know that :X
On February 16 2010 03:47 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:On February 15 2010 01:30 Purind wrote:
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault? I was ranting about the CSL as a league...which doesnt necessarily have to do with how it's run...any problems I have with the people running it was all pretty much covered by the OP. The CSL isn't just the people who run it... On February 15 2010 05:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
[PH]
On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.
Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.
I try to keep it fun, and telling bad players they can't play makes them lose interest and eventually lose contact period. At one point, we had more than twelve people all active, playing, keeping our school's iccup channel alive and all that. Then week by week as only the good players C- and above get spots, it just stops being interesting for them. BTW...Dino is our team's best player. He's a very good player, which is why I would make the effort to actually go and kick his ass awake. I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about. You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there. Of course they'll lose interest. That's what happens to people who don't make the cut and don't have the motivation to get better, right? No offense to them of course, but every sports teams has members who don't get played every game. It's just a part of getting better - everyone gets discouraged at some point, and if you let that stop you, then that's how it goes. I know Dino's your best player, and I know he's worth physically finding and waking up. Which is why you shouldn't complain that you have to do it o.O. I wouldn't might having someone like Dino on my team (he's chill, too =P). In that case, drunk comments are always the best~
I can see that, but I've been focusing more on building a group of people who can play together around SC...to have a fun little group of nerds you can play games with, kinda thing.
Last season, I lost contact with over half of my players because of how badly I wanted to get into the playoffs. This season, I'm gonna try to bring at least some of them back and bring in new ones, if possible, and not focus on being so competitive.
We'll see how that goes, lol.
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