EPTAsk me about gender - Page 4
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
All people are fucking crazy. Other than sexual partner preference, gender doesn't mean much in my world. This is like one of those Myers-Briggs things, I just don't care and neither should anyone. + Show Spoiler + Though I think you should get to pick who you bang. In my opinion people prattling on about being in the wrong body are just as insane as people thinking there is something wrong with "transitioning." I'd ignore both of you at a party. How about both of these hypothetical crazies shut up and go get a job. Do whatever makes you happy. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:20 fusionsdf wrote: the first reason is more along the lines of playing a game that everyone knows the rules to other than you. What is natural for other people is scripted for you. You often have to ask yourself 'how would a normal male/female act in this situation' lol, is anything really natural for anyone? Life is just awkward and filled with wtfs. I reject the idea that there is this so-called normal person. In my view, everything seems scripted and it is only mind-melting peer pressure that molds all of us to behave the same way. Have you seen the guido scene? Or other wtf scenes? Those kids probably all feel like they are out of place, and I don't blame them. They prove that the question of "how would a normal x react" is a false question, because of the obvious ridiculous conclusion to which acting normal has led them. Thats why I wanted to know specific instances which would allow one to determine if one is truly out of place. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
lol, is anything really natural for anyone? Life is just awkward and filled with wtfs. I reject the idea that there is this so-called normal person. In my view, everything seems scripted and it is only mind-melting peer pressure that molds all of us to behave the same way. By "How a normal person reacts," everyone probably means "What is the expected reaction that society would want?" The things that make up the norms and taboos of society are based on the expected behaviors within that culture. Yes, people are individually different. No one is going to argue against that, but there is something called a normal person and normal people are those who don't deviate from what is expected by society. Having differing opinions don't make you deviant unless that opinion is what the entire culture is heavily influenced by. It's not always a mind-melting peer pressure that gets us to behave this way, there is also the nurturing our parents gave us based upon their experience, instincts, and nature. They taught us how to behave in the society they grew up in so we aren't ostracized, even canines do this for their offspring. It's as natural as can be. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:32 keV. wrote: I don't get this. All people are fucking crazy. Other than sexual partner preference, gender doesn't mean much in my world. This is like one of those Myers-Briggs things, I just don't care and neither should anyone. + Show Spoiler + Though I think you should get to pick who you bang. In my opinion people prattling on about being in the wrong body are just as insane as people thinking there is something wrong with "transitioning." I'd ignore both of you at a party. How about both of these hypothetical crazies shut up and go get a job. Do whatever makes you happy. ..... They are "prattling on" about it because it's an enormous aspect of their lives and they've had to defend their choice of lifestyle from an unnervingly large segment of society who don't accept them. I for one find it all extremely interesting. Even if you don't, surely you can see that discussion can lead to more widespread understanding which will help the transgender population lead easier lives. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:45 3clipse wrote: ..... They are "prattling on" about it because it's an enormous aspect of their lives and they've had to defend their choice of lifestyle from an unnervingly large segment of society who don't accept them. I for one find it all extremely interesting. Even if you don't, surely you can see that discussion can lead to more widespread understanding which will help the transgender population lead easier lives. Not really. You can't reprogram an idiotic way of thinking. Humans are too stubborn, just wasted breath if you ask me. Has anyone successfully sat down with a truly transgender-hating (transgendist?) person and made him or her understand the concept of being in the wrong body. Maybe once, but widespread? No. They tried me with an episode of Law and Order:SVU once and I gotta say, I'm not convinced. I'm a reasonable man and even I can't even begin to understand it at a philosophical level and anyone other than someone with a wall full of ridiculous degrees and first hand experience that said they did would be lying. My point is, it would be better if your gender was more like your shoe size. Its observable at some level but no one REALLY cares until its up close and personal. You could see my big sandals and say to yourself "he probably has big feet" (I do) and that would be that. Just like you could see someone that is "hot" physically, regardless of gender, and move on. You wouldn't want to make a first impression with someone using only your shoe size. Just like you wouldn't want someone to remember you for your gender history. The important characteristic of my feet is that they are large, not that they are a certain size. Without using any kind of sexuality, the point of someones physical appearance is their physical appearance; the combination of facial features, cup size, shoe size, height, fashion sense, how you act in public, etc. Not that you are male or female. It would be better if it wasn't even a topic of discussion until you are considering a sexual relationship with someone. That is all I am saying. Putting a spotlight on something is always a double edged sword when you are talking sociology. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:43 silencefc wrote: By "How a normal person reacts," everyone probably means "What is the expected reaction that society would want?" The things that make up the norms and taboos of society are based on the expected behaviors within that culture. Yes, people are individually different. No one is going to argue against that, but there is something called a normal person and normal people are those who don't deviate from what is expected by society. Having differing opinions don't make you deviant unless that opinion is what the entire culture is heavily influenced by. It's not always a mind-melting peer pressure that gets us to behave this way, there is also the nurturing our parents gave us based upon their experience, instincts, and nature. They taught us how to behave in the society they grew up in so we aren't ostracized, even canines do this for their offspring. It's as natural as can be. Don't get me wrong, I know what he means. The problem is that it's normal to feel like you aren't normal. So what, precisely, tells you that your feelings of being different aren't in fact normal? Just a general feeling of being "different" seems vague to me. And vague feelings are dangerous imo....but I'm not going to go into that here. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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Emlary
China3334 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:45 [ZiNC]Ling wrote: still D  If only I could make it to C+, my cup size would be > iccup rank WOW no matter man or woman, you rock! | ||
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