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Emlary
China3334 Posts
(No offense, I love Ruka, the character and the actress.) | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
On January 28 2010 14:53 Etherone wrote: not to shit all over this thread, or be an ass, BUT if you're a virgin you have no idea whether you are truly bi curious or actually bi sexual in it's entirety. what i mean is, my brother for example he is gay, but he has sex with women every once in a while and enjoys it, because well every guy likes getting his ... anyways the point is he doesn't love women in the romantic sense, he eventually starts treating the ones that he builds relationships with after the countless intimacies as like sisters ...who he has sex with. what i mean by that is he loves them like you love a friend or a brother, not how you love a lover. does this make any sense to anyone else? no but it sounds like hes got a good thing going on to me. | ||
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stack
Canada348 Posts
there was a young boy who had the mind of a girl. It was pretty sad cause the child was already very depressed at such a young age, even at one point saying it'd be better if she didnt exist. Its been years now and Im very curious about where that life has landed. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
But more seriously- to try and help you with what makes a male brain and female brain different: I am pretty sure that the corpus collosum (the structure inside of the brain that connects the left and right hemispheres) is far thicker in females than in males. Don't know if that helps at all but meh  | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:01 stack wrote: I saw the special on dateline awhile back. there was a young boy who had the mind of a girl. It was pretty sad cause the child was already very depressed at such a young age, even at one point saying it'd be better if she didnt exist. Its been years now and Im very curious about where that life has landed.  if you want a happier story: | ||
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nAi.PrOtOsS
Canada784 Posts
Guys like: Cars, gaming, guns, sports etc. Girls like: Shopping, dessing up, attention etc. Gender has nothing to do with the way you think.. Also this whole gender differences with the brain seems to be touching slightly upon whether or not your genes affect the way that you act. | ||
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keepITup
251 Posts
I accept the fact that these situations exist. I accept the possibility that they are natural and genetic, in fact I lean towards that idea. I don't hate people who lead lives like this. But it will always disgust me when thinking about it -- and that's what the majority of people who can remain anonymous over the internet will say on a forum about the subject --- "ewww." If we were all in person and someone said they were transsexual, I'd assume the majority of people would try to hide their feelings out of respect. you can't expect people to understand something like this. it's been stated before that we "have no idea what it feels like", and then we are ordered to accept it. i think most good people really do hope that no matter who you are that you have the same rights as others (gay marriage for example) -- but otherwise this is a private matter that people should keep to themselves -- and when it's talked about in detail people get grossed out. | ||
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On January 28 2010 14:53 Etherone wrote: not to shit all over this thread, or be an ass, BUT if you're a virgin you have no idea whether you are truly bi curious or actually bi sexual in it's entirety. what i mean is, my brother for example he is gay, but he has sex with women every once in a while and enjoys it, because well every guy likes getting his ... anyways the point is he doesn't love women in the romantic sense, he eventually starts treating the ones that he builds relationships with after the countless intimacies as like sisters ...who he has sex with. what i mean by that is he loves them like you love a friend or a brother, not how you love a lover. does this make any sense to anyone else? Sorry, I thought of the traditional sense of the word "virgin" meaning hasn't had intercourse/has hymen intact. Of course I can tell if I am bisexual by my physical and emotional reactions to getting up close and personal with men and women On January 28 2010 14:41 fight_or_flight wrote: Are you a "feminine" guy or a "manly" guy? Hmm, I guess I'm more of a feminine guy. It might be that my feminine traits come from being raised female, so I can't tell if I have some innate feminine traits or not. If i had been born a guy, maybe I would be manly due to being treated so differently? Are you attracted to masculine women and/or feminine men? Or feminine women and/or masculine men? I tend to be attracted to any kind of women and feminine men. Stork no, Bisu yes. Tossgirl also yes. Were you ever encouraged to be feminine? Was there ever a point where you dressed/acted like a "pretty" girl? Did you get any male attention? A lot of girls I knew when I was younger wanted me to join their "group" and act more feminine, dress girly, put on makeup, etc. but I thought it was stupid. My parents would ask me if I wanted to dress more girly but "no" was always ok with them. I think they were just happy that I didn't go out and spend all their money on shoes XD. I tended to get treated as a weirdo but I got plenty of flattering and not so flattering attention from some nerdy guys. Ironically now that I have realized that I can be both female sexed and male gendered, I feel much more comfortable looking feminine. When I dress girly I feel it's weird to be looking at a girl in the mirror, but she is a pretty girl IMO ^^ I feel kind of like it's halloween, every day. It's strange but also fun. How were you generally treated at/during the time you "changed" by others (both men and women)? What age was this? When I tried to dress/act as a guy mostly people just though that I was a very confused girl. A few times, I was read as a pre-pubescent boy due to my shortness and high voice. I didn't get a lot of respect since people thought I was either crazy or 12 years old (I was actually 18). Do you think there is any potential for you to "go strait" if you met the right guy? Seeing as you are still a virgin... I am dating a straight guy right now, he likes the female body but he also finds me easier to relate to than the typical female mind. So it's most likely that I will stay with him since I feel so lucky to have found someone who loves me as I am. what is the likelihood you "made a mistake"? I think a lot about whether I'm really right about myself overall. I wonder how I can be a functional person with mismatched mind and body, and whether I made a mistake in judging my mind, or a mistake in choosing to keep my body as it is. But I am happy the way I am, as a person who looks and talks like a girl, but doesn't think like a girl. I guess what I'm trying to say is does it matter whether I have a male brain, as long as I'm happy and my family/friends are happy with me? Isn't what makes me happy the best thing to do? What are the top three or four key things that made you realize you were male gendered? Hmm, here are a few things: ~girls always seemed to have something in common with each other that I never had. I felt excluded from their groups and I felt like I never figured out how to be a girl ~people I know say that it's clear from the way I act that I am really a guy. ~my mind functions like the male mind, getting this tested was a big thing for me since I got assured that I wasn't simply crazy. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11583 Posts
Is it difficult to get into a relationship (dating-wise) when you express how u feel like your not supposed to be a girl? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:04 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: The definition of a male or female mind seems to be entirely based what is socialy acceptable for that gender. Guys like: Cars, gaming, guns, sports etc. Girls like: Shopping, dessing up, attention etc. Gender has nothing to do with the way you think.. Also this whole gender differences with the brain seems to be touching slightly upon whether or not your genes affect the way that you act. ANIMAL experiments and observations in human brains have convincingly shown that sexual differentiation not only concerns the genitalia but also the brain (1, 2). The strongly connected and sexually differentiated hypothalamus, septum, bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BST), and amygdala are implicated in sexually dimorphic patterns of reproductive and nonreproductive behaviors (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18). Gender identity (i.e. the feeling to be male or to be female) is an important trait of a subject. Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex (19, 20, 21). male or female mind is a physical thing. That physical difference motivates male or female behavior whether biologically (through direct behaviors as a result of this wiring) or indirectly (as in the desire to fulfill male/female social constructs) Gender has EVERYTHING to do with the way you think, whether you realize it or not. Think of it this way. The most severe schizophrenic case can tell you their gender even if they can tell you nothing else. Someone with total amnesia instinctively knows their gender even if they've forgotten everything about their life. Gender is a very basic, integral concept hardwired into the brain. Our social constructs are merely placed on top of that wiring as a way for us to communicate our gender. As to genes affecting the way you act, well they do. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:42 [ZiNC]Ling wrote: Ahh okay. Am I also a "heshe" or is that a "shehe"? I have no idea with this terminology. XD Gender is about who you are, sexual orientation is about who you fuck. It's confusing because it's hard to tell whether gay/lesbian/straight refer to someone's gender vs the gender of people they are attracted to, or their sex vs the sex they are attracted to, or something else entirely. I'm bi so I don't have to try to explain whether I'm gay or straight. XD thopol and xDark.Carnivalx, thanks for posting some good answers<3 The questions are coming in faster than I can reply to them. So in your case is it like a "I want to fuck girls" type of thing or ??? | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
On January 28 2010 14:38 fusionsdf wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2010 13:01 XinRan wrote: I don't understand how you define "male mind" and how you know you have a male mind. What is compelling that convinces you that you are the wrong sex? In addition to all the psychological things we associate with male and female minds (think stereotypes and social constructs) there are actual physical (neurological) differences in male and female brains. This is currently believed to be a result of testosterone imprinting (brain masculinization) in the womb. Males get the testosterone imprinting which rewires their brain, females do not. Interestingly, after that crucial period, all the hormones in the world wont rewire the brain. If you expose a ftm to a whole load of estrogen, the male wiring will remain. You can see a study showing a possible cause of mtf (an abnormal genetic sequence prevents testosterone imprinting) In the largest ever genetic study of male to female transsexuals Australian researchers have found a significant genetic link between gender identity and a gene involved in testosterone action. From an early age people develop an inner sense of being male or female – their gender identity. Transsexuals however, identify with a physical sex opposite to their perceived biological sex. DNA samples were collected from 112 male to female transsexuals and researchers compared genetic differences with non transsexuals. The results are published in the high impact journal Biological Psychiatry. The researchers discovered that male to female transsexuals were more likely to have a longer version of a gene which is known to modify the action of the sex hormone testosterone. "We think that these genetic differences might reduce testosterone action and under masculinise the brain during foetal development." said researcher Lauren Hare. http://www.physorg.com/news144579930.html Another study showing the similarity of female and mtf minds and the similarity of gay and straight male minds (with the two groups being different): Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex....Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034 Thanks so much for clearing this up for me. Ideas in my culture about gender, or rather all cultures around the world, are so closely related to sex and what you call "social constructs" that transgender is a very difficult condition to understand. I wonder if LGBT is a recent phenomenon or something that has been present since the beginning. Considering historical taboos, perhaps we will never know. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-dressing,_sexuality,_and_gender_identity_of_Joan_of_Arc I remember hearing of a female who changer her identity and lived as a man in the early 1800's. Near the end of his life he was caught and forced to wear female clothes for the rest of his life. Native American cultures often had the concept of 'two-spirit', similar to transgendered. Going from memory, but they were believed to have the spirit of an ancestor of the opposite sex inside them. Far from being ridiculed, they were valued. Similar things exist in early Indian and Asian cultures throughout history. Homosexuality/Transgenderism isnt a new development, its just the rights movement for them is. Actually a lot of cultures treated transgendered individuals with more respect than western culture. A lot of the current distaste can be related to the spread of western/christian ideals. | ||
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:05 keepITup wrote: Yeah my opinion on this topic is basically that you can't tell people not to be disgusted by something like this. I accept the fact that these situations exist. I accept the possibility that they are natural and genetic, in fact I lean towards that idea. I don't hate people who lead lives like this. But it will always disgust me when thinking about it -- and that's what the majority of people who can remain anonymous over the internet will say on a forum about the subject --- "ewww." If we were all in person and someone said they were transsexual, I'd assume the majority of people would try to hide their feelings out of respect. you can't expect people to understand something like this. it's been stated before that we "have no idea what it feels like", and then we are ordered to accept it. i think most good people really do hope that no matter who you are that you have the same rights as others (gay marriage for example) -- but otherwise this is a private matter that people should keep to themselves -- and when it's talked about in detail people get grossed out. I don't blame you for feeling disgusted, even though I hope that you wouldn't feel disgust when you think of me, you handle it in an admirable way. Thanks for your acceptance and go read something less disgusting! | ||
Waxangel
United States33425 Posts
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:43 Waxangel wrote: most important question, what's your iccup rank? still D If only I could make it to C+, my cup size would be > iccup rank | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
fusion you seem to be really interested in this | ||
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: What do your friends/family think of your 'situation'? Is it difficult to get into a relationship (dating-wise) when you express how u feel like your not supposed to be a girl? I put the answer in the OP since I thought it was a good question. On January 28 2010 14:55 Emlary wrote: So you are like Ruka in Last Friends? (No offense, I love Ruka, the character and the actress.) I have not seen Last Friends, but a few people have compared me to Ruka before, so guess I am. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
However, making that decision is something you should really be careful with. If you end up regretting it, it's gonna be a big regret. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On January 28 2010 15:06 [ZiNC]Ling wrote: I am dating a straight guy right now, he likes the female body but... lol. Moving on... Hmm, here are a few things: ~girls always seemed to have something in common with each other that I never had. I felt excluded from their groups and I felt like I never figured out how to be a girl ~people I know say that it's clear from the way I act that I am really a guy. ~my mind functions like the male mind, getting this tested was a big thing for me since I got assured that I wasn't simply crazy. These don't really seem like the type of indicators I was looking for. As far as the first one, there are a lot of girls who don't like other girls for seemingly no reason. My sister is always complaining that girls just don't seem to like her at school. No one can understand how or why girls do what they do (not even girls) so not getting invited to go shopping or w/e doesn't seem like a strong indicator of anything. I mean if you are too attractive, you will be an outcast, if you are too ugly, too smart, too dumb, the list is potentially endless here. Even myself, I'm kind of a loner....I guess I don't really feel rejected by guys, but not accepted either. The last two don't really seem like reasons. Why do they say its "clear" you act/think like a guy? Is it just because you are more comfortable talking to guys? You have better conversations and can spend an hour talking to them, whereas after 10 minutes with a girl it kind of fizzles out to awkward pauses? I wouldn't necessarily say that is a very strong indicator either. Just because you don't share common interests with females doesn't necessarily mean anything. For example, I have two female russian friends. They are strait, but get along much better with men than women, especially american women. They actually don't get along with american women very well. They don't share any interests with them and there isn't much to talk about. American women don't seem to like them very much either because the way they dress and other things. So they feel more comfortable around men. How do you know that in another country things wouldn't reverse on you? The last reason is just saying your mind functions like a male mind....what does that mean exactly? What specific part? I mean I'm a guy and can't hold a conversation with most other guys because many typical things they like I find dumb (because our culture is dumb imo). Cars? Sports? lol. I do gravitate towards science, so usually that is a good subject (perhaps politics but I don't talk about that to people). edit: and perhaps my senses are off, but your posting seems much more feminine than masculine. | ||
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I think that most people would want to transition to a male body in that case, but I can't afford it and eventually I've become kind of attached to being partly guy partly girl.
