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[ZiNC]Ling
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 04:55:45
January 28 2010 03:27 GMT
#1
The "pregnant man" article in the general forum has seen a lot of misconceptions about transgender people and what gender is anyway. I like to think I know about these things and I will be happy to offer my knowledge and/or opinions in response to any serious questions you have.

+ Show Spoiler [What is gender and what is sex?] +

Sex is determined by physical characteristics such as what reproductive organs you have, what chromosomes, what hormones, etc.

Gender is a combination of everything that's not physical. Most people's gender is the same as their sex so it's hard to understand this distinction. Imagine this wildly unlikely scenario. One night, you are kidnapped and subjected to surgery that replaces all your reproductive organs and secondary sex characteristics with those of the opposite sex. When you wake up, you are effectively of the other sex.

What has changed about you and what hasn't? Your sex has changed, but your gender has not changed. Your brain and thus your perception of self, all of your memories, your experiences, and your beliefs are all intact. These are some of the factors in what is called "gender".


+ Show Spoiler [What is a transgender person?] +

A transgender person is someone whose sex doesn't match their gender. In the scenario above where you got all your sex organs replaced with those of the opposite sex, then you would be a transgender person.

Since most transgender people don't get kidnapped and operated on, they don't have the benefit of memories of the body that corresponds to their gender. People aren't usually taught that their gender can be different from their sex, so they simply have this strange feeling that their body is not the right one.

It's much the same feeling you would probably have if your body was suddenly changed to one of the opposite sex. You might feel that your natural state was that of a man/woman, and the way your body looked after the surgery did not reflect the real you. People might start to treat you as something that made no sense to you, because they would determine your gender role by your appearance. You might not meet the expectations people have of your new sex, the way you "should" walk, talk, relate, behave, express emotion, etc. and you'd probably wish to have your own body back.


+ Show Spoiler [Why are some people transgender?] +

There are a lot of reasons why some people end up with mismatched gender and sex. Sometimes it's due to chromosome abnormalities such as X or XXY. Sometimes it's due to a change in levels of sex hormones between when a baby's body forms and when its brain forms. Also, some babies are born with intermediate or deformed reproductive organs, and doctors will often "correct" the deformity whichever way is easier. It's hard to say of a particular transgender person how they got to be that way.


+ Show Spoiler [What is transition/How does it work?] +

The only "cure" for someone who feels that they're in the wrong body is to change their body. The "transition" to the opposite sex involves regular hormone treatments (testosterone/estrogen) and genital surgery. It takes a few years to complete the process, but the outcome is very successful (especially for male to female transition). although the appearance is entirely like the desired sex, they may still retain some internal organs of the birth sex. The transman in the article still has his uterus, so he can get pregnant even though he looks physically male.


On January 28 2010 13:01 XinRan wrote:
I don't understand how you define "male mind" and how you know you have a male mind. What is compelling that convinces you that you are the wrong sex?

+ Show Spoiler [complicated answer below] +

It's very hard to actually define what a male or female mind is, so I'm not sure I can give you a good definition. For me, it's part social experience, part testing, and part unexplainable feeling... When I was a child I used to think I was a defective/brain damaged girl because I couldn't fit in with other girls. I tried my best to fake being like a girl, but I usually failed and the other girls treated me as an outsider. People would buy me girls toys but I didn't know what to do with them, so I secretly played with Hot Wheels XD

When the little boys/girls stopped believing that the others had cooties I found that I fit in and felt comfortable with boys. Once I started to feel like I belonged with boys I felt this deep need and longing to have my body changed so I could be just like the other boys. Of course I was still a kid so legally I couldn't make that choice...after a while this really intense feeling stopped being so important. I feel okay with being a sort of hybrid right now. But a few years ago I went to a gender specialist and took this incredibly long test that measured my masculinity/femininity, and I was equal in the masculine traits to a typical guy. The therapist approved me for transition but I decided I wouldn't do it until this strong feeling came back and it never did....

I was kind of afraid to answer this question because it seems weird of me to choose not to transition, and I can't really explain that well....


On January 28 2010 13:14 silencefc wrote:
What exactly makes a mind male/female? I wouldn't think merely topics of interest would define that.

+ Show Spoiler [complicated answer below] +

It's hard to say because our language doesn't really have words for what makes a mind male or female. There are plenty of examples of gender based differences in the mind (here's one), but we just don't know very much of what makes a mind male or female. I'll look for further things to add to this answer~



You said you plan on sticking with a female body, but do you dress and present yourself in a masculine way?

+ Show Spoiler [not so complicated answer below] +

I've tried to present as a male, but I can't pass because I am only 5 feet tall and look very feminine. Men's clothes are much too big to fit me. So right now I'm wearing girl's clothes.

Lots of people will say I'm a girl because I look like one, but I don't mind what people call me since I've been through a lot of evaluations that confirm my identity. I don't really expect that most people would believe I am what I say I am no matter what I look like.


On January 28 2010 13:24 CaucasianAsian wrote:
What do your friends/family think of the situation?

Is it difficult to get into a relationship (dating-wise) when you express how u feel like your not in your 'real' body?

+ Show Spoiler [varies and yes] +

I have lost a few friends but mostly people support me. My family was really upset when I came out to them but they say that they will always love me no matter what! I'm very lucky having my family stand by me, sometimes parents will blame their child for being transgender or blame themselves for producing a kid with a birth defect.

Usually I feel uncomfortable explaining everything face to face, because I'm always afraid that someone would attack me just for being me. So most of the people I meet casually have no idea that I am trans. I tend to attract a lot of guys who find they feel comfortable talking to me and say I'm not crazy/confusing/different like most girls, but if I tell them I'm male gendered they freak out and start thinking they are gay. It's pretty hard to find someone who will love both my body and my mind, even if they are bi, it's just too much of a mind fuck for them. I have dated a few straight boys who would describe me as "a girl who thinks like a guy" which I figure is pretty much true.



As a friend of several transgender people I'm very sad to see the insults getting thrown around in the original post. These people got stuck in a terrible situation and their only options were to transition or spend their life acting like a different person. They deserve your sympathy and respect!

Please feel free to post questions here (even stupid ones).

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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 28 2010 03:30 GMT
#2
what other qualifications do you have besides having transgender friends? Not knocking you, just curious. Can you talk a bit more about interacting with them?
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 03:30 GMT
#3
Where did you get the ZiNC tag?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
January 28 2010 03:35 GMT
#4
Be honest, how old are you?
Legends never gg
[ZiNC]Ling
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
January 28 2010 03:43 GMT
#5
On January 28 2010 12:30 zulu_nation8 wrote: what other qualifications do you have besides having transgender friends? Not knocking you, just curious. Can you talk a bit more about interacting with them?

I have a FtM friend who is starting transition soon. I'm also a member of a few trans support groups and have done many years of research on the topic.... I apologize for not supplying very much information. I'll share more about my identity if I don't get too much crap in this thread.

On January 28 2010 12:30 citi.zen wrote: Where did you get the ZiNC tag?

Just made it up. It stands for Zinc is Not (a) Clan (yeah, that's about as clever as I get).

On January 28 2010 12:35 David Mudkips wrote: Be honest, how old are you?

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CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
January 28 2010 03:44 GMT
#6
Are you a transgender?
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
January 28 2010 03:45 GMT
#7
Be honest are u a man or a woman
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
January 28 2010 03:48 GMT
#8
What's your favorite color?
Legends never gg
[ZiNC]Ling
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 03:53:53
January 28 2010 03:52 GMT
#9
On January 28 2010 12:44 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Are you a transgender?

On January 28 2010 12:45 SanguineToss wrote:
Be honest are u a man or a woman

This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.

On January 28 2010 12:48 David Mudkips wrote:
What's your favorite color?

Black I guess, I wear it most often. I should have expected this when I asked for stupid questions.^^
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
January 28 2010 03:53 GMT
#10
On January 28 2010 12:52 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:44 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Are you a transgender?

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:45 SanguineToss wrote:
Be honest are u a man or a woman

This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.


believe it or not that just blew my mind
sassy
Profile Joined December 2009
240 Posts
January 28 2010 03:55 GMT
#11
scy detected
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 28 2010 03:57 GMT
#12
On January 28 2010 12:53 SanguineToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:52 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
On January 28 2010 12:44 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Are you a transgender?

On January 28 2010 12:45 SanguineToss wrote:
Be honest are u a man or a woman

This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.


believe it or not that just blew my mind

What gender mind got blown?


I had a transgender friend in college.

He lived across the hall from me freshman year and was a staunch conservative.

By junior year he had come out. By the start of senior year he was wearing a bra with padding in it, affecting a higher voice, and wearing tight clothing with long hair. By the end of senior year she preferred female pronouns.

She still was really into cars and guns though. That never changed.
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
January 28 2010 04:01 GMT
#13
I don't understand how you define "male mind" and how you know you have a male mind. What is compelling that convinces you that you are the wrong sex?
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
[ZiNC]Ling
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
January 28 2010 04:02 GMT
#14
On January 28 2010 12:53 SanguineToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:52 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
On January 28 2010 12:44 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Are you a transgender?

On January 28 2010 12:45 SanguineToss wrote:
Be honest are u a man or a woman

This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.


believe it or not that just blew my mind

Well it's very weird so that's a normal reaction I think that most people would want to transition to a male body in that case, but I can't afford it and eventually I've become kind of attached to being partly guy partly girl.

On January 28 2010 12:55 sassy wrote:
scy detected

If only I knew what that was, maybe I could explain why you detected it
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
January 28 2010 04:08 GMT
#15
On January 28 2010 13:02 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:53 SanguineToss wrote:
On January 28 2010 12:52 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
On January 28 2010 12:44 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Are you a transgender?

On January 28 2010 12:45 SanguineToss wrote:
Be honest are u a man or a woman

This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.


believe it or not that just blew my mind

Well it's very weird so that's a normal reaction I think that most people would want to transition to a male body in that case, but I can't afford it and eventually I've become kind of attached to being partly guy partly girl.

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 12:55 sassy wrote:
scy detected

If only I knew what that was, maybe I could explain why you detected it


ScY is a starcraft player known to be a heshe
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 28 2010 04:09 GMT
#16
Are you attracted to women? Why is it you feel that you're mind is "male"? What does that even mean? That you have a masculine mind (more geared towards, sports, games, science, etc.?) or something else?
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lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 04:13:06
January 28 2010 04:11 GMT
#17
On January 28 2010 12:52 [ZiNC]Ling wrote:
This seems to be very important to people so i'll answer honestly. I have a female body (born with it, plan to keep it that way) and a male mind.

A male mind? Um...so you're a lesbian who enjoys sports and cars?

What's the difference between someone who's gay and a transgender under your definition?
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#18
sexual orientation and gender identity are different.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
January 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#19
What exactly makes a mind male/female? I wouldn't think merely topics of interest would define that.

You said you plan on sticking with a female body, but do you dress and present yourself in a masculine way?
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
January 28 2010 04:19 GMT
#20
On January 28 2010 13:14 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
sexual orientation and gender identity are different.


It seems like sexual orientation would be a subset of gender identity...well I'm just speculating here. If OP is of a female "sex" yet a male "gender", it would seem that he/she would at least qualify as a lesbian? I would think gender identity would be inclusive of what sex you are attracted to. Meh..who the hell knows?

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