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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 00:12:31
January 05 2010 00:07 GMT
#1
So yeah. A little update on my ICCup adventure. Small rep pack on bottom.

This is an update on this blog post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=108321

So it's not Season 11 (wtf season is it, 14?), but yeah, I made that thread two weeks ago.

I've played eight ladder games so far. Seven of them are in a .rar at the bottom, in case anyone wants to watch a random Protoss player with 110 APM ladder his way up to D+...though on the bright side I'm 8-0 2040 playing standard each game. I can't seem to find my first game.

Lots of people make blogs "zomgz y r ther so many B ranks in D ranks". There aren't any. Even in the early season (like the few days after the ladder resets). I was actually looking forward to playing some B ranks just so I can see how much more I have to improve, but so far the highest player I've encountered was a C rank Terran with a 65% win ratio last season. I've also run into a "C rank Zerg" (though it's doubtful from his play), and numerous C- rank Terrans.

The breakdown is as follows, from previous season records and current season records:

1 D T, 3 C- T's, 1 C T
1 D+ P
1 D Z, 1 "C" (self-professed...on an alt so I couldn't check his ICCup profile) Z.

The new maps are pretty fun. And by "new maps" I mean Fighting Spirit. The rest of the maps are pretty meh. To be honest, I can't wait until Python's a MOTW because it's one of my favorite maps. Whatever.

Interestingly enough, my easiest and most difficult wins have both been against the C players. The easiest win was against the C Terran and the most difficult win was against the "C" Zerg (who raped my main with Mutalisks :/). From his play, the Zerg was more like D+, but he assured me his ICCup high was C with Zerg. Whatever, chatlog's in the replay (against ABCjosef on Fighting Spirit, when he picks Z...the chat log goes something like this:

Him: ICCup high?
Me: D+...what's yours as Z?
Him: C
Me: Uh oh. It's still before 2 minutes so I can still leave for draw, right?
Him: yeah.
Me: whatever. gl hf XD)

The game against the Terran was made into a pictoral battlereport which you should check out. I've been informed it's pretty amusing : http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=108968

I also sometimes go 10/15 on ramped maps against Terran. It's not optimal (actually it's pretty stupid), but some people still stupidly lift their rax before they have enough Tanks to defend and it's gg right there. For example, first game against ABCjosef (when he picks Terran). I've also managed to go 10/15 PvP against worse Protosses. For some reason they always think I have more gates than I do (games against ek.aidan and ABCjosef).

People on ICCup this season are also a lot chattier. It's probably because I'm actually laddering. Usually when I play people it's against people I know, so I don't really chat much, but whatever. It's more fun that way.

Also, I have yet to play any Koreans. Kind of depressing, since I do best against mindless mechanical D+ players who can't deal with anything unexpected (e.g.: Pokebunny). Can't really play straight up as effectively against them, though. I just don't have the mechanics.

As for non-laddering, my most embarrassing loss was against Rage. He was playing pretty poorly, but I had raped his main, had two mining expansions more than he did, and a hefty supply lead. After a series of absolutely retarded attacks, I ended up losing.

Haven't really encountered any difficulties so far on the actual ladder, though. Low level Terran are still the easiest to beat. Zerg aren't that bad. I absolutely despise PvP, though, since I never know what to do. It's even harder than PvZ.

Anyway,

Some statistics of mine:
Lowest average APM: 92
Highest average APM: 117
APM peak over 200?...not yet .
Hotkey percentage: always single digits XD

And the reppack:

http://rapidshare.de/files/48944207/replays.rar.html

Thanks for reading and I'll keep you guys updated on my progress.

I hope I stay undefeated through D+

**
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TeH_Mentalist
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Korea (South)244 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 00:12:25
January 05 2010 00:11 GMT
#2
highest apm 117 thats not even 2 actions a second. I think it's just a hit and miss playing koreans and high level players and the earlier in the season you play, the better chance you get at playing them

5/5
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
January 05 2010 00:16 GMT
#3
wait, till you get to C-. it's a fucking mess... -_-
D is super easy... and so is D+.
check out CapO, and then G4i.CapO...

i may be playing bad, but fuck!!
SNSD fan
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 05 2010 00:18 GMT
#4
Yeah I guess it comes down to "luck" whether you play good players or not. Personally this season I've played 2 B level players and a guy who last season was B+ with a 62% winrate. And last season I played against an MBC Zerg (unfortunately it was a shared account so I'm not sure exactly which progamer it was). All of these games were at D level. So yeah, they're out there, you just have to get lucky enough to play them. Now that you can see what country they're from it's easier.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 05 2010 00:19 GMT
#5
Haven't looked at the replays yet, but 8-0 vs D+ - C ranked players is pretty insane considering you say you only have single digit hotkeying and ~100 average apm.

Very impressive, have very different experience playing T at ~D ranking, but oh well, all the best to you sir, keep going so strong =].
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
January 05 2010 00:27 GMT
#6
Kinda sucks for you, I got lucky and got to play 2 B, B+ koreans right off the bat. It was pretty epic (rape how badly i got raped lol).
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 05 2010 00:33 GMT
#7
On January 05 2010 09:16 CapO wrote:
wait, till you get to C-. it's a fucking mess... -_-
D is super easy... and so is D+.
check out CapO, and then G4i.CapO...

i may be playing bad, but fuck!!


+1

The yellow rank is crazy hard this season =.=
Koreans need to level up faster.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 00:57:28
January 05 2010 00:49 GMT
#8
ofc im the 1st person on ur list of owned >.< (im ek.aidan) oh well i havent lost a PvP on that map since ur help on that analysis so im fine w/it (thats like 4 PvPs in a row) ^___^ and i just hit D+ myself at 2012 pts and a 21-35 record very unlike you i played the 1st day and got smacked down by the B/A who were starting the ladder at the same time (i got unlucky this season in that respect usually the season start is a shitstorm of D- for me to bash >.<)
TeH_Mentalist
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Korea (South)244 Posts
January 05 2010 01:16 GMT
#9
On January 05 2010 09:33 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 09:16 CapO wrote:
wait, till you get to C-. it's a fucking mess... -_-
D is super easy... and so is D+.
check out CapO, and then G4i.CapO...

i may be playing bad, but fuck!!


+1

The yellow rank is crazy hard this season =.=
Koreans need to level up faster.

+1 and I thought it was only me
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 05 2010 01:35 GMT
#10
On January 05 2010 10:16 TeH_Mentalist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 09:33 Cambium wrote:
On January 05 2010 09:16 CapO wrote:
wait, till you get to C-. it's a fucking mess... -_-
D is super easy... and so is D+.
check out CapO, and then G4i.CapO...

i may be playing bad, but fuck!!


+1

The yellow rank is crazy hard this season =.=
Koreans need to level up faster.

+1 and I thought it was only me


Oh yeah definitely wtf -_-;;;
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
January 05 2010 02:19 GMT
#11
I'm actually finding this to be the easiest Season in terms of C-/C/C+ t,t

Am I missing something?
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WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 02:42:47
January 05 2010 02:42 GMT
#12
With my korean account I played vs 2 A- kor, many B+ and vs Stats and s2. And also got raped 3 times by white-ra. Yep, tough start.
zvz is imba
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
January 05 2010 02:48 GMT
#13
On January 05 2010 11:42 WeSt wrote:
With my korean account I played vs 2 A- kor, many B+ and vs Stats and s2. And also got raped 3 times by white-ra. Yep, tough start.

damn thats lucky...games w/2 pros 2 A- and white-ra...i envy you
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
January 05 2010 02:57 GMT
#14
I've also noticed it's retardedly hard this season. I guess school ended and the Koreans are playing 24/7.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
January 05 2010 02:59 GMT
#15
LOL of course you haven't lost yet. you havent played any koreans silly.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 03:00:51
January 05 2010 03:00 GMT
#16
On January 05 2010 11:57 Chill wrote:
I've also noticed it's retardedly hard this season. I guess school ended and the Koreans are playing 24/7.

its officially true end of debate ^____^ jkjk but koreans have kept my loss count high...
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