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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
December 26 2009 21:55 GMT
#1
How do I explain progaming to people?


For example my older brother looked over my shoulder and asked me about the Ret2Courage thread, so I explained what Courage was ... blah blah blah .... and had some difficulties.

The main problem I come up against is breaking that image of progamers being antisocial nerds who only play computer games all day long, installed by that horrible National Geographic documentary about WCG 2005.

Any help and points would be appreciated, and does anyone have any form of statistics about how big the fanbases for the more famous progamers are? In my experience being able to cite statistics of "this progamer has ____ female fans" can be convincing.

Thanks, + 100th post
bITt.mAN

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KvkG
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States65 Posts
December 26 2009 22:03 GMT
#2
Show him a youtube video of the crowd at the OSL finals.

That or the hot booth girls
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake - Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
kulik-
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Czech Republic305 Posts
December 26 2009 22:07 GMT
#3
and we gamers are not antisocial nerds who only play computer games all day long?
Terrible OP. Improve your posting or next one is a perma-ban.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 26 2009 22:08 GMT
#4
Isn't the general consensus that progamers are socially awkward nerds who play starcraft all day

whether or not flash makes lots of money doesn't change the fact that he's a nerd who plays video games 10-13 hours a day.
RIP Aaliyah
Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
December 26 2009 22:09 GMT
#5
On December 27 2009 07:07 kulik- wrote:
and we gamers are not antisocial nerds who only play computer games all day long?

Negative. We take breaks for food and the bathroom.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 22:14:37
December 26 2009 22:09 GMT
#6
BoxeR has the largest fan club in the world.
ITS A SPORT.....
skill doesnt come by itself... unless your korean
you have fan girls cheering.

plus how are progamers anti social if they live with their team?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
December 26 2009 22:14 GMT
#7
I don't defend anything. It's all in how you say it - you can convince people that easting feces is cool if you believe it to your core. If you try to defend it then you are suggesting that it needs to be defended. It doesn't.
KvkG
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States65 Posts
December 26 2009 22:15 GMT
#8
On December 27 2009 07:14 Kennigit wrote:
I don't defend anything. It's all in how you say it - you can convince people that easting feces is cool if you believe it to your core. If you try to defend it then you are suggesting that it needs to be defended. It doesn't.


lol eating feces haha
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake - Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
December 26 2009 22:24 GMT
#9
On December 27 2009 07:09 Kenpachi wrote:
BoxeR has the largest fan club in the world.



good joke
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 22:26:41
December 26 2009 22:25 GMT
#10
It is what it is.

I've always equated my passion for SC:BW with some people for their weekly "poker night" or chess matches.

For me it has always kept me in contact with my two brothers and gives us a way to interact beyond telephone and email when we live 3500 miles apart.

Now, then it comes to people mocking the pro-gaming aspect.

Eh, to each their own.

Different strokes for different folks.
sex appeal
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
December 26 2009 22:33 GMT
#11
On December 27 2009 07:24 eXNewB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 07:09 Kenpachi wrote:
BoxeR has the largest fan club in the world.



good joke


He does


in starcraft ^^
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 22:37:47
December 26 2009 22:37 GMT
#12
Show him this as an example of how progaming can turn you into a STAR

once, not long ago, there was a moon here
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 26 2009 22:45 GMT
#13
I usually assume people just won't understand, unless they're a fellow abstract enthusiast. If they're interested I'll show them a couple videos and explain a bit. But unless they are predisposed to enjoying that sort of thing, they usually give the old. "Oh thats cool" and keep going.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 22:56:35
December 26 2009 22:56 GMT
#14
On December 27 2009 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show him this as an example of how progaming can turn you into a FAG

fixed
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
December 26 2009 23:06 GMT
#15
On December 27 2009 07:56 YPang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show him this as an example of how progaming can turn you into a FAG

fixed

touche
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
KvkG
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States65 Posts
December 26 2009 23:28 GMT
#16
On December 27 2009 08:06 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 07:56 YPang wrote:
On December 27 2009 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show him this as an example of how progaming can turn you into a FAG

fixed

touche


rofl this wins the thread
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake - Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 27 2009 00:42 GMT
#17
On December 27 2009 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show him this as an example of how progaming can turn you into a STAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfVXWkBMLkY



Easy killer, were not trying to turn his brother gay for bisu ok?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 27 2009 00:49 GMT
#18
On December 27 2009 07:14 Kennigit wrote:
I don't defend anything. It's all in how you say it - you can convince people that easting feces is cool if you believe it to your core. If you try to defend it then you are suggesting that it needs to be defended. It doesn't.

Pretty much this. SC isn't any less legitimate than any other popular sport.

ex: "YOU WATCH PEOPLE PLAYING STARCRAFT?? HAHA LOL"

"Yeah :O It's fun."

"Let me see.."


Proceed to convert noob.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
December 27 2009 00:57 GMT
#19
On December 27 2009 09:49 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 07:14 Kennigit wrote:
I don't defend anything. It's all in how you say it - you can convince people that easting feces is cool if you believe it to your core. If you try to defend it then you are suggesting that it needs to be defended. It doesn't.

Pretty much this. SC isn't any less legitimate than any other popular sport.

ex: "YOU WATCH PEOPLE PLAYING STARCRAFT?? HAHA LOL"

"Yeah :O It's fun."

"Let me see.."


Proceed to convert noob.

That's what happened to my friend once. LOL.
Blah
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
December 27 2009 00:59 GMT
#20
I think progaming is great, and while people may not understand it, for the top few percent, that are making bank, enjoying what they do, and have job opportunities in the industry available in the future, it's a great thing. Sure they have to put their relationships on hold while they're active gamers, if they truly want to be at the top, but once they have their fame and fortune, it's probably worth it to them, as did something they love.

It's a bit harder to explain for the people who aren't at the top of the game, yet still spending their days practicing. Lower pay and less recognition, having to forgo schooling and starting a career path sooner, can be brutal. Sure, they may still secure a spot in the industry, but it may not be worth it in the end. That's just my uninformed view on things though; it may be different.

That takes care of the social aspect of it, as for explaining it otherwise, you just need to convey that it's a sport, in its own right, and quite similar to watching/enjoying football/soccer/boxing/etc.
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