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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
December 26 2009 23:47 GMT
#61
On December 27 2009 07:15 SkelA wrote:
Im not A-/A rank player lol ! ^^ MAybe B/B+

But i consider my theorycrafting and game understanding at A-/A just my poor mechanics always betray me in games ^^


I was just going off of highest achieved rank without abuse ....
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
December 27 2009 00:16 GMT
#62
Jaedong is my favorite player ever since he began playing and I STILL don't understand the hate that everyone was/is spewing. So what he got knocked out of this OSL by really good cheese by the best terran in the world..he has three of those trophies and IMO Flash deserves another one.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 27 2009 00:34 GMT
#63
"So yes, the Flash / Jaedong Game 2 was a disappointment"

Nope, I liked it a lot, and it lived up to my expectations.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
December 27 2009 00:44 GMT
#64
On December 27 2009 06:13 SkelA wrote:
derp derp derp derp derp derp imbalanced derp derp derp




flash does this for a living and you want him to play straight up and possibly lose just to entertain you, yeah thats reasonable
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 27 2009 00:56 GMT
#65
jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game.
he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
December 27 2009 01:00 GMT
#66
On December 27 2009 09:44 hugitout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 06:13 SkelA wrote:
derp derp derp derp derp derp imbalanced derp derp derp




flash does this for a living and you want him to play straight up and possibly lose just to entertain you, yeah thats reasonable



..... I said Flash planned briliant strategy and executed it perfectly and i like more cheese tense games than epic macrofests. Im disapointed because Flash just didnt give JD even a chance because he is so fucking good using his genious mind together with using the map to the fullest.

Your stupid post makes no sense at all.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 01:08:53
December 27 2009 01:05 GMT
#67
On December 27 2009 09:56 ProbeSaturation wrote:
jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game.
he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily

He can't handle it the first time, but he's good to go after one time.
The thing you have to realize is, all the good cheeses are used first on Jaedong, because he's that good.

I mean, you have Fantsy @ Medusa, Skyhigh @ Destination, and Flash @ HBR, all who have come out with a build that basically kills zerg the first time it's used. How many other zergs do you see being rushed so often?
Jaedong
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 27 2009 01:17 GMT
#68
On December 27 2009 10:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 09:56 ProbeSaturation wrote:
jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game.
he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily

He can't handle it the first time, but he's good to go after one time.
The thing you have to realize is, all the good cheeses are used first on Jaedong, because he's that good.

I mean, you have Fantsy @ Medusa, Skyhigh @ Destination, and Flash @ HBR, all who have come out with a build that basically kills zerg the first time it's used. How many other zergs do you see being rushed so often?


This is definitely true.

Though Savior did have a knack for stopping EVERYTHING non-standard back in the day. But that was a different age (and Savior was really on a different level mentally - it was ridiculous).
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 27 2009 02:04 GMT
#69
It feels like Jaedong has a little Idra in him. Or maybe Idra has a little Jaedong in him... either way - extremely confident but ultimately reliant on masterful mechanics rather than game intelligence. Not saying Jaedong doesn't have ANY, but he doesn't seem to be able to adapt as well as other players. He's either winning big or losing horribly in most of his games, not sure what that says about him to be honest.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 02:28:20
December 27 2009 02:27 GMT
#70
On December 27 2009 11:04 Fzero wrote:
It feels like Jaedong has a little Idra in him. Or maybe Idra has a little Jaedong in him... either way - extremely confident but ultimately reliant on masterful mechanics rather than game intelligence. Not saying Jaedong doesn't have ANY, but he doesn't seem to be able to adapt as well as other players. He's either winning big or losing horribly in most of his games, not sure what that says about him to be honest.
No... that's not true.

Whether you're talking about Jaedong OR Idra, they both have great knowledge of the game.
oxidized
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States324 Posts
December 27 2009 02:42 GMT
#71
On December 27 2009 08:19 Sadist wrote:
lol @ blaming the map for JD losing an ovie. Proxy rax is so common on HBR. He should have just sucked it up and 9 drone scouted. Dont blame the map on that at all. Flash just came out with a really solid plan and the assumption that JD would scout the way he did. Thats all there is to it really.
Erm....

It seems you missed something really important in that game. Map was everything. Notice that this was Neo HBR as opposed to vanilla HBR. In old HBR, it is possible to send the ovie scout in that same path jaedong took, and use the little cliff there to hide in case of a 7 rax or something. Neo HBR replaces this cliff with walkable terrain, so there is absolutely no place for the overlord to hide. In fact, there is no way to send an overlord scout across neo hbr without risking a snipe from a 7 rax.

Flash realized this and centered his strategy on sniping that first overlord on its map transit. The only way to not loose that overlord is to not send it at all. Flash thought (correctly) that Jaedong would send the overlord out of habit without realizing the new strategy formed by the map change to neo HBR. This was the brilliance of Flash's strategy in that game.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 27 2009 03:00 GMT
#72
OK reading the first/second page really pisses me off.

1. cz's posts were perfectly fine, he's arguing against SkelA's stupid post about how the build is "invisible" (trying to spell invincible) and that there was nothing to stop it. He never clarified that he was referring to the Flash vs JD game PARTICULARLY.
2. zulu, I have no idea why you would want to call out cz when SkelA made such a stupid post. SkelA sounded like such an ignorant JD fan in his posts whereas cz actually had some substance to his posts.

On December 27 2009 06:49 SkelA wrote:
Geez Im saying that that strategy cant be countered by JD IN THAT GAME because was the first time ever executed in a tv game and JD couldnt counter because of the lost ovi.

No matter what a build can still be countered lmfao. Just because JD had no knowledge of the build doesn't mean that the build couldn't be countered.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 27 2009 03:17 GMT
#73
Sorry CZ is right skela should have been clearer it was obvious what cz was thinking but not what skela was trying to say. No need to get angry at him for arguing what in his mind was a valid point.

About the OP I agree fully - the fact that two great SC minds are meeting is enough hype, it doesn't have to be a 45 minute back-and-forth game with queens and valkyries to live up to expectations.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
December 27 2009 03:31 GMT
#74
Yeah but the thing is SkelA explained his point (by mentioning that Z would be OK if they didn't scout the opponent with their first overlord) a few posts later and for some reason cz kept arguing. Oh and then he suggested "up to 8pool" lol.
KvkG
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States65 Posts
December 27 2009 03:33 GMT
#75
Let's face it, terrans have the most options @ high level starcraft play. I mean, it's kinda balanced that way because terran is so hard to learn and master but you kinda deserve a reward for your effort, so they give you a race that's extremely adaptable on the maps and can fuck around with the most openings. Seems reasonable to me.
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake - Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 27 2009 03:43 GMT
#76
On December 27 2009 06:02 mikeymoo wrote:
ffs spoiler alert
+ Show Spoiler +
jk



I'm gonna go cry now.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 27 2009 03:52 GMT
#77
Jeez people simmer down!!! It was a good game and if your income depended on winning you would do anything it took to get there!
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
December 27 2009 04:41 GMT
#78
4 pages of discution? JD will do 9 Scout in this map im sure about it
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
December 27 2009 05:32 GMT
#79
I was going to make a "ro8 OSL Cheese pisses Hitler off" to add some satire to the situation, but I actually ran out of things to complain about halfway through subbing the video.

No joke
6581
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 27 2009 06:32 GMT
#80
Sure, I was pissed that Jaedong lost to Flash in such a gay way, but after a few hours, I just accepted it. Starcraft is meant to be merciless and that's why it's such a perfect game for e-sports.
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