• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:54
CEST 13:54
KST 20:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer2Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Which UAE App Developers Are Leading the Innovatio
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 33795 users

Why I have given up on mainstream hip hop/rap.

Blogs > Trident
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Trident
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bhutan54 Posts
December 24 2009 18:43 GMT
#1
This guy, " Lil B " got a record deal a while ago, listen to this song.


I thought it was a joke 100% at first, but I realized all his songs are like that. I suggest listening to the whole song because it is very funny. He put no effort into the track o.o

Now, lets look a while back a fewlot of years and listen to this song " Slick Rick - Children's Story.



This song probably took a very long time to make but it is verrrry good, it has great story telling and mediocre lyricism.



Another example of a song that actually makes sense, has great story telling and pretty decent lyricism.

Idk why I just wanted to post this to give TL.Net some lols and to see that hip hop/ rap now SUCKS

****
Dont stress, meditate
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
December 24 2009 18:45 GMT
#2
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 24 2009 18:48 GMT
#3
I appreciate good rap, but alot of this new shit is annoying,,,I blame the Atlanta rap scene .
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:03 GMT
#4
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.







RIP Aaliyah
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:16:08
December 24 2009 19:06 GMT
#5
Mainstream hip hop has been whack for a while, underground is where it's at.

Something like this is what you want
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:11:02
December 24 2009 19:09 GMT
#6
Ya I really kind of stopped listening to rap around 2004-2006. It was starting to go down hill since around 2002 but it didn't get real bad till around 2007. It's even worse now, talentless rappers out there rapping about bullshit and using auto tune wherever possible.

At least Metal is going strong, I need a main source of music
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Trident
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bhutan54 Posts
December 24 2009 19:17 GMT
#7
On December 25 2009 03:48 Megalisk wrote:
I appreciate good rap, but alot of this new shit is annoying,,,I blame the Atlanta rap scene .



Blame the mainstream Atlanta rap scene, there are amazing groups like Mars Ill from Atlanta.
Dont stress, meditate
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:18 GMT
#8
On December 25 2009 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.


I've always hated your posting, literally, every single fucking post, I just loathed you along time ago.

But now you go and post my favorite can ox song, then post my favorite rapper a.r., and post a song by him that most people don't even know exists, most people don't know about team teamwork.

Here we go I guess







Also I saw cage live awhile back, he signed my t-shirt, and I pushed a guy that was cussing him out.


We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 24 2009 19:20 GMT
#9
On December 25 2009 03:45 Misrah wrote:
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.

Haha, so good.

Somewhat the same for me, but only because it's hard to find rappers that are genuinely talented and/or good without actively looking for them. Since I generally don't listen to rap, I don't actively look for it, as a result, rarely listen to rap.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 24 2009 19:22 GMT
#10
Lil G is a joke. Who said he got a deal from that? I dont beleive it. If it says it on youtube then its a joke just so he can get more viewers
Treatin' fools since '87
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:29 GMT
#11
On December 25 2009 04:20 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 03:45 Misrah wrote:
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.

Haha, so good.

Somewhat the same for me, but only because it's hard to find rappers that are genuinely talented and/or good without actively looking for them. Since I generally don't listen to rap, I don't actively look for it, as a result, rarely listen to rap.


There's plenty of talented rappers out there, just because the underground scene is "underground" doesn't mean they're hard to find. Just listen to a ton of it and try to find something you like. I never listened to rap until I heard a random immortal technique song along time back (I don't really like him, but he is good). You might just need to find something to hook you in. Try listening to some of the stuff in this thread and give it a chance I guess.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:30 GMT
#12
On December 25 2009 04:18 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.


I've always hated your posting, literally, every single fucking post, I just loathed you along time ago.

But now you go and post my favorite can ox song, then post my favorite rapper a.r., and post a song by him that most people don't even know exists, most people don't know about team teamwork.

Here we go I guess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgEZhfXZMw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qz2MfXTsk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyCR6tEs7E

Also I saw cage live awhile back, he signed my t-shirt, and I pushed a guy that was cussing him out.




Well I'm glad we have similar tastes in rap even if you hate me as a poster
RIP Aaliyah
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:31 GMT
#13


Well I'm glad we have similar tastes in rap even if you hate me as a poster


I used to, but your posting changed when you started actively writing.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:32 GMT
#14
Also for a rap blog I can't help but post this video. This is the single greatest response to rap battle in the history of mankind. If you like experimental hip-hop I highly suggest the album "Earth Beasts Awaken" by Historian Himself. It's free on his website.



This video is Historian Himself's response to a rap battle by Tykwon Flow. Fabulous.

RIP Aaliyah
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 24 2009 19:35 GMT
#15
On December 25 2009 04:09 Whiplash wrote:
Ya I really kind of stopped listening to rap around 2004-2006. It was starting to go down hill since around 1996 but it didn't get real bad till around 2000. It's even worse now, talentless rappers out there rapping about bullshit and using auto tune wherever possible.

At least Metal is going strong, I need a main source of music



Fixed
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 24 2009 19:40 GMT
#16
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon


Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 24 2009 19:45 GMT
#17
On December 25 2009 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also for a rap blog I can't help but post this video. This is the single greatest response to rap battle in the history of mankind. If you like experimental hip-hop I highly suggest the album "Earth Beasts Awaken" by Historian Himself. It's free on his website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-JyLRs-824

This video is Historian Himself's response to a rap battle by Tykwon Flow. Fabulous.


this guy sounds like a slowed down less technical busdriver
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 24 2009 19:47 GMT
#18
omfg that first song is HILARIOUS
its so bad, holy shit, holy shit
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:58:38
December 24 2009 19:53 GMT
#19
On December 25 2009 04:40 Torenhire wrote:
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon

Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?


Uh first of all Rap and Hip-Hop are different genres. Rap IS the main stream garbage. The only underground rap you will find are from really really bad up and comers trying to make it into the mainstream. (OP video for example)

So, yea, There is Hip-Hop which is more mainstreamed stuff, classic/golden age etc.
If you go to the hip-hop wiki page there is a huge listing of all the sub genres.

People/Groups like Gravediggas, Necro, Goretex, and all those east coast psycho+illogical guys would be called horrorcore/deathrap/etc.
Then you have pseudo christian/religious guys like Pigeon John, LMNO or whatever.
Then you have lots of political MCs (nearly all underground hip-hop has something political to say, even guys like Nas).
There has even been a rising trend of nerdcore/nerdrap/etc guys like Futuristic Sex Robots,Random, TY Cracker, MC Frontalot, etc.


I could go on, mostly all of the sub genres are considered underground,even though imo they are pretty mainstream. Stuff like Atmosphere, Visionaries, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Jedi Mind Tricks, Immortal Technique, etc. etc. are all in this category. They are better than the commercial rap but not nearly as good as some of the deeper artists.

I like to think of it like this: These well known 'underground' artists are like the gateway drug to the heroine/crack that lies below.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 24 2009 19:56 GMT
#20
On December 25 2009 04:53 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 04:40 Torenhire wrote:
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon

Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?


Uh first of all Rap and Hip-Hop are different genres. Rap IS the main stream garbage. The only underground rap you will find are from really really bad up and comers trying to make it into the mainstream. (OP video for example)

So yea There is Hip-Hop which is more mainstreamed stuff and classic/golden age stuff.
If you go to the hip-hop wiki page there is a huge listing of all the sub genres.

So like Gravediggas, Necro, Goretex, and all those east coast psycho+illogical guys would be called horrorcore/deathrap/etc.
Then you have pseudo christian/religious guys like Pigeon John, LMNO or whatever.

I could go on, mostly all of the sub genres are considered underground,even though imo they are pretty mainstream. Stuff like Atmosphere, Visionaries, Sage Francis, Jedi Mind Tricks, Immortal Technique, etc. etc. are all in this category. They are better than the commercial rap but not nearly as good as some of the deeper artists.

I like to think of it like this: These well known 'underground' artists are like the gateway drug to the heroine/crack that lies below.


Word, thanks CM.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
$400 Monday #40
WardiTV679
OGKoka 375
IndyStarCraft 138
CranKy Ducklings137
Rex119
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 375
Harstem 200
IndyStarCraft 138
Rex 119
ProTech75
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30027
Rain 5981
Horang2 3729
Larva 499
Mini 456
EffOrt 455
actioN 447
Stork 311
Zeus 264
Snow 189
[ Show more ]
Light 185
Pusan 160
ZerO 134
Mong 131
JulyZerg 92
Sharp 82
PianO 77
hero 63
Rush 52
Sea.KH 48
sSak 42
Backho 37
Killer 35
JYJ33
zelot 29
Icarus 22
Movie 21
sorry 19
soO 19
Noble 14
Shine 12
Sacsri 10
scan(afreeca) 9
yabsab 8
ivOry 6
Dota 2
420jenkins777
XcaliburYe666
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2399
shoxiejesuss1081
x6flipin477
Other Games
singsing1733
B2W.Neo819
C9.Mang0462
Liquid`RaSZi378
crisheroes359
Fuzer 230
ArmadaUGS177
Lowko138
Pyrionflax116
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream11157
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream1184
Other Games
gamesdonequick517
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 41
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• WagamamaTV99
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
12h 6m
Replay Cast
22h 6m
RSL Revival
22h 6m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
PiGosaur Monday
1d 12h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
5 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.