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Why I have given up on mainstream hip hop/rap.

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Trident
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bhutan54 Posts
December 24 2009 18:43 GMT
#1
This guy, " Lil B " got a record deal a while ago, listen to this song.


I thought it was a joke 100% at first, but I realized all his songs are like that. I suggest listening to the whole song because it is very funny. He put no effort into the track o.o

Now, lets look a while back a fewlot of years and listen to this song " Slick Rick - Children's Story.



This song probably took a very long time to make but it is verrrry good, it has great story telling and mediocre lyricism.



Another example of a song that actually makes sense, has great story telling and pretty decent lyricism.

Idk why I just wanted to post this to give TL.Net some lols and to see that hip hop/ rap now SUCKS

****
Dont stress, meditate
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
December 24 2009 18:45 GMT
#2
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 24 2009 18:48 GMT
#3
I appreciate good rap, but alot of this new shit is annoying,,,I blame the Atlanta rap scene .
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:03 GMT
#4
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.







RIP Aaliyah
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:16:08
December 24 2009 19:06 GMT
#5
Mainstream hip hop has been whack for a while, underground is where it's at.

Something like this is what you want
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:11:02
December 24 2009 19:09 GMT
#6
Ya I really kind of stopped listening to rap around 2004-2006. It was starting to go down hill since around 2002 but it didn't get real bad till around 2007. It's even worse now, talentless rappers out there rapping about bullshit and using auto tune wherever possible.

At least Metal is going strong, I need a main source of music
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Trident
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bhutan54 Posts
December 24 2009 19:17 GMT
#7
On December 25 2009 03:48 Megalisk wrote:
I appreciate good rap, but alot of this new shit is annoying,,,I blame the Atlanta rap scene .



Blame the mainstream Atlanta rap scene, there are amazing groups like Mars Ill from Atlanta.
Dont stress, meditate
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:18 GMT
#8
On December 25 2009 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.


I've always hated your posting, literally, every single fucking post, I just loathed you along time ago.

But now you go and post my favorite can ox song, then post my favorite rapper a.r., and post a song by him that most people don't even know exists, most people don't know about team teamwork.

Here we go I guess







Also I saw cage live awhile back, he signed my t-shirt, and I pushed a guy that was cussing him out.


We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 24 2009 19:20 GMT
#9
On December 25 2009 03:45 Misrah wrote:
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.

Haha, so good.

Somewhat the same for me, but only because it's hard to find rappers that are genuinely talented and/or good without actively looking for them. Since I generally don't listen to rap, I don't actively look for it, as a result, rarely listen to rap.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 24 2009 19:22 GMT
#10
Lil G is a joke. Who said he got a deal from that? I dont beleive it. If it says it on youtube then its a joke just so he can get more viewers
Treatin' fools since '87
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:29 GMT
#11
On December 25 2009 04:20 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 03:45 Misrah wrote:
I treat music the way i treat candy. I throw away the wrappers, and keep the rest.

Haha, so good.

Somewhat the same for me, but only because it's hard to find rappers that are genuinely talented and/or good without actively looking for them. Since I generally don't listen to rap, I don't actively look for it, as a result, rarely listen to rap.


There's plenty of talented rappers out there, just because the underground scene is "underground" doesn't mean they're hard to find. Just listen to a ton of it and try to find something you like. I never listened to rap until I heard a random immortal technique song along time back (I don't really like him, but he is good). You might just need to find something to hook you in. Try listening to some of the stuff in this thread and give it a chance I guess.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:30 GMT
#12
On December 25 2009 04:18 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll post some good rap to help me clean my ears of that horrible shit I just listened to.


I've always hated your posting, literally, every single fucking post, I just loathed you along time ago.

But now you go and post my favorite can ox song, then post my favorite rapper a.r., and post a song by him that most people don't even know exists, most people don't know about team teamwork.

Here we go I guess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgEZhfXZMw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qz2MfXTsk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyCR6tEs7E

Also I saw cage live awhile back, he signed my t-shirt, and I pushed a guy that was cussing him out.




Well I'm glad we have similar tastes in rap even if you hate me as a poster
RIP Aaliyah
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 24 2009 19:31 GMT
#13


Well I'm glad we have similar tastes in rap even if you hate me as a poster


I used to, but your posting changed when you started actively writing.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 24 2009 19:32 GMT
#14
Also for a rap blog I can't help but post this video. This is the single greatest response to rap battle in the history of mankind. If you like experimental hip-hop I highly suggest the album "Earth Beasts Awaken" by Historian Himself. It's free on his website.



This video is Historian Himself's response to a rap battle by Tykwon Flow. Fabulous.

RIP Aaliyah
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 24 2009 19:35 GMT
#15
On December 25 2009 04:09 Whiplash wrote:
Ya I really kind of stopped listening to rap around 2004-2006. It was starting to go down hill since around 1996 but it didn't get real bad till around 2000. It's even worse now, talentless rappers out there rapping about bullshit and using auto tune wherever possible.

At least Metal is going strong, I need a main source of music



Fixed
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 24 2009 19:40 GMT
#16
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon


Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 24 2009 19:45 GMT
#17
On December 25 2009 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also for a rap blog I can't help but post this video. This is the single greatest response to rap battle in the history of mankind. If you like experimental hip-hop I highly suggest the album "Earth Beasts Awaken" by Historian Himself. It's free on his website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-JyLRs-824

This video is Historian Himself's response to a rap battle by Tykwon Flow. Fabulous.


this guy sounds like a slowed down less technical busdriver
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 24 2009 19:47 GMT
#18
omfg that first song is HILARIOUS
its so bad, holy shit, holy shit
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 19:58:38
December 24 2009 19:53 GMT
#19
On December 25 2009 04:40 Torenhire wrote:
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon

Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?


Uh first of all Rap and Hip-Hop are different genres. Rap IS the main stream garbage. The only underground rap you will find are from really really bad up and comers trying to make it into the mainstream. (OP video for example)

So, yea, There is Hip-Hop which is more mainstreamed stuff, classic/golden age etc.
If you go to the hip-hop wiki page there is a huge listing of all the sub genres.

People/Groups like Gravediggas, Necro, Goretex, and all those east coast psycho+illogical guys would be called horrorcore/deathrap/etc.
Then you have pseudo christian/religious guys like Pigeon John, LMNO or whatever.
Then you have lots of political MCs (nearly all underground hip-hop has something political to say, even guys like Nas).
There has even been a rising trend of nerdcore/nerdrap/etc guys like Futuristic Sex Robots,Random, TY Cracker, MC Frontalot, etc.


I could go on, mostly all of the sub genres are considered underground,even though imo they are pretty mainstream. Stuff like Atmosphere, Visionaries, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Jedi Mind Tricks, Immortal Technique, etc. etc. are all in this category. They are better than the commercial rap but not nearly as good as some of the deeper artists.

I like to think of it like this: These well known 'underground' artists are like the gateway drug to the heroine/crack that lies below.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 24 2009 19:56 GMT
#20
On December 25 2009 04:53 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 04:40 Torenhire wrote:
I've got a question for the rap community. No I'm not trolling, I promise. Just me being uneducated.

I don't listen to much rap, but in...say the rock or metal genre, there's a ton of subgenres...like hard rock, heavy metal, death metal, blah blah blah. I don't care for alot of the bigger (more popular?) rap artists that are on the radio. I listen to stuff like..


Dr Octagon

Deltron 3030

and so on...I know a guy who listens to a lot of rap and when I ask him he's like... "I dunno, it's a lot of kinds." If I want to find similar rap to that, which genre should I look for or what are some similar artists?


Uh first of all Rap and Hip-Hop are different genres. Rap IS the main stream garbage. The only underground rap you will find are from really really bad up and comers trying to make it into the mainstream. (OP video for example)

So yea There is Hip-Hop which is more mainstreamed stuff and classic/golden age stuff.
If you go to the hip-hop wiki page there is a huge listing of all the sub genres.

So like Gravediggas, Necro, Goretex, and all those east coast psycho+illogical guys would be called horrorcore/deathrap/etc.
Then you have pseudo christian/religious guys like Pigeon John, LMNO or whatever.

I could go on, mostly all of the sub genres are considered underground,even though imo they are pretty mainstream. Stuff like Atmosphere, Visionaries, Sage Francis, Jedi Mind Tricks, Immortal Technique, etc. etc. are all in this category. They are better than the commercial rap but not nearly as good as some of the deeper artists.

I like to think of it like this: These well known 'underground' artists are like the gateway drug to the heroine/crack that lies below.


Word, thanks CM.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
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