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DJEtterStyle

United States2766 Posts

December 11 2009 18:51 GMT

#61

On December 12 2009 03:12 mrmin123 wrote:

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shhh

I'm going to take a fat dump on your forehead in our next 50 games. INFLATES HIS SKILL LEVEL? My Zerg is probably C- level, especially my ZvT, which is laughably awful. I've hit C+ with my Terran, and I doubt anyone would argue that my Protoss is significantly better than my Terran, so I call myself a B- Protoss player.

You're done, Choi. You're done.

Kyo Yuy

United States1286 Posts

December 11 2009 18:51 GMT

#62

On December 12 2009 01:05 Storchen wrote:

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dont you ever get tired of posting one liners?

Have you never seen this comic by MrHoon?

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mrmin123

Korea (South)2971 Posts

December 11 2009 18:58 GMT

#63

On December 12 2009 03:51 DJEtterStyle wrote:

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You know, you said you'd commit seppuku if I ever beat you again after your first loss to me... but instead you're back for more! ur done, noob

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 11 2009 19:34 GMT

#64

OP, why did you have to post a "Protoss is imba" thread to get this started...

NonFactor

Sweden698 Posts

December 12 2009 12:59 GMT

#65

Protoss players are just in denial. Keep telling yourself that you have it as tough as the other 2 races, what ever makes you happy, you know?

And my analysis was dead on. And yes, you can just 1a2a3a into a siege line. What's so hard about that? Of course you want to avoid forming a line where they run in one at a time as a clump or w/e. But as a Protoss controlling your army is so much easier that you can setup proper flanks and spread your units, so avoiding that line of death is EZ.. A task that is very, very difficult with tons of MnM or Zerg units. Hell, just look at most Protoss players, they just 1a2a3a, and then they go macro or use an OPTIONAL unit to boost their attack: Shuttle with zealots. Why? Because they are free to do so. When doing zealot bombing most of the 1a2a3a attack will be controlling that shuttle.

Amnesia

United States3818 Posts

December 12 2009 14:02 GMT

#66

AzureEye you're like D-, stfu. Sadist is right and you are wrong. It's only obvious that you have strong bias towards Terran and terrible game knowledge.

MoeMoeKyun

United States215 Posts

December 12 2009 14:07 GMT

#67

Haha dude this was such a good read keep making more of these :D

5/5

MoeMoeKyun

United States215 Posts

December 12 2009 14:15 GMT

#68

Oh wow didn't realize the flame war going on here.

YPang

United States4024 Posts

December 12 2009 15:19 GMT

#69

On December 12 2009 00:27 AzureEye wrote:

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On December 12 2009 00:11 Sadist wrote:

On December 12 2009 00:04 AzureEye wrote:

On December 11 2009 23:51 Sadist wrote:

On December 11 2009 23:21 AzureEye wrote:

On December 11 2009 21:00 NonFactor wrote:

On December 11 2009 19:09 lazz wrote:

On December 11 2009 18:15 NonFactor wrote:
It's common knowledge that Protoss is the most forgiving and overall the race that requires the least micro / macro skills.

As I see it. Protoss, not OP but easy.

yeah, protoss have the least starleague wins of all the races, they're obviously the easiest race to play.

Bad argument. Try again. Protoss is still the easiest race, no doubt.

Starleague winners are mainly decided by 2 factors: Players itself and map balance.

While when comparing races: Protosses have the easiest time both macroing and microing. Ever tried microing an endgame with a Zerg? At times you can have more units then you have room for hotkeys, and if you micro them badly and A-move them, they form a line and roll into death. While Protoss can form a ball of death with no issues and only use 5 hotkeys or so.

Obviously you never played Toss. Or you would know how much micro P requires just to engage T army at equal firepower, if you 1a2a3a into T army, your entire army melts.

You need to drag mines with zealots, use flanking, use shuttles to zealotbomb, storm before your HTs die from insane Tank range, Stasis all this vs. a Terran who lays mines in front, sieges up and waits, scans during battle, and EMP before battle.

Oh, and don't even start with Macro, Protoss macro is harder than T macro. Why? Toss has more bases that it needs to take care of (for the same economy output) and it has more production buildings that it constantly needs to go back to. (14 gateways versus 9 facts?)

Only reason people say Protoss is "easy" is that its "easy" in the lower levels. A noob can 1a2a3a and use DTs to win at D level. This isn't the case at upper levels. PvT is harder than TvP at higher levels imo.

This is completely wrong.

Protoss macro is much simpler because you dont need to control units in small skirmishes at all. You can send like 5 zeals and a goon to my exp and not even watch it and rape shit whereas If I send several vultures all you need to do is suicide zeals and rape shit with your imba cannons ;d

Since the demand on micro is much smaller for toss it in turn makes macro MUCH easier. MUCH. All you need to do is try to set up a flank and right click zealots to drag mines......ohhhhh its hard. You cant even micro tanks properly because as soon as shit gets out of range they switch targets so say something moves out of range right before they get their shot off they might shoot he damn zealot that ran into your other tanks. At high level every race is hard. Protoss is much easier on a non korean level which is why you see so many god damn protoss players and such few terran players.

5 zealots and a goon running toward a Terran expo without control will die before it even gets there to mines.

Well you're picking off workers with your vultures, mineral line harrassment all need some kind of babysitting. Reaver drops, HT drops, zealot drops, etc. At least you can not have to worry about trying to save your vultures while harrassing. Because they're so goddamn cheap, you can just pop a billion more. HT drops? I need to worry about micro'ing to save their slow asses with the slow shuttles

Demand on micro is not much smaller. Actually at a higher level of play, I think P needs more micro than T will. Vultures lay mines all over the map with a few simple clicks while P needs to bring observers and match its speed with its army to diffuse all the surrounding mines. (You can just send few zealots to clear the field but you can't do that for the entire map, plus you're wasting units)

Heard of Shift + A click for micro'ing tanks? Don't worry, with your insane upgrades and superior firepower, you will melt the Toss army without using tank micro 99% of the time.

Since I concluded that P micro is more work than T micro, I guess that kills your argument of macro too?

No. You are forgetting that protoss can run since they are signifnicantly more mobile and have fucking huge amounts of hit points. If I send a small group of tanks across the map to try to take out an expo or something you can easily intercept them and i cant run them and in term have to try to micro them to get the most out of them while you a click. Theres a ton of factors that make protoss macro MUCH simpler than terran macro.

What are these tons of factors? Because so far, you've only provided the single argument that P macro is much easier because their micro is easier, which I've been proving as untrue.

You're complaining about P units being mobile? Last time I checked, you guys had the fastest units in the game. Their cheap cost makes up for their fragile health too.

But you see, Terrans don't send just a small group of tanks. Those tanks are either covered by the siege radius of your main army tanks or supported by vultures so they can't easily die like you said. Not to mention that you just don't play Terran with that guerilla warfare type of playstyle like you do with other races because you have a superior ground army unless you're using vults. Terran has fewer expos so he can protect them better. Hence your argument of few zealots and 1 goon taking out a Terran expo is ridiculous.

Because Terran is so stationary and turtles more than other races IS the reason why they require less micro.

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This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Protoss needs more expansions because they need a higher supply (bigger) army, because 200/200 Toss army will die to upgraded 200/200 Terran army. This is because Terran ground army is superior. And because of that, Protoss needs to go out of his way to micro to use spells and flanking to brittle away T's army.

Apparently those extra expansions for Protoss are there to make units to be wasted like you said lol.

i don't want to flame you but you're fucken ignorant. I hope you're not serious lmao.

YPang

United States4024 Posts

December 12 2009 15:26 GMT

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You're complaining about P units being mobile? Last time I checked, you guys had the fastest units in the game. Their cheap cost makes up for their fragile health too.

last time i checked you have all of your units travel x2 as fast as terran's main support unit: tanks. And 12 goons can stop any amoutn of vultures. I also forgot to mention an unit that cloackes everything aorund it, and can teleport 25psi worth of units anywhere on the map.

But you see, Terrans don't send just a small group of tanks. Those tanks are either covered by the siege radius of your main army tanks or supported by vultures so they can't easily die like you said. Not to mention that you just don't play Terran with that guerilla warfare type of playstyle like you do with other races because you have a superior ground army unless you're using vults. Terran has fewer expos so he can protect them better. Hence your argument of few zealots and 1 goon taking out a Terran expo is ridiculous.

yup according to you terran's army cannot be destroyed. 100% correct mate

Because Terran is so stationary and turtles more than other races IS the reason why they require less micro.

yeah have you ever seen a 100 apm B terran? i have seen TONS of 100 apm high level tosses. But other than that, i guess your arguement is correct.

Yea when us terrans push at at 200, we just A-move. while you have to micro your asses out with your mini map.

and apparently vultures are cheap and effective to compensate for the small # of expansions teran have and their low mineral intake.

jebacstormy

Zimbabwe1 Post

October 21 2011 21:08 GMT

#71

Ye For Fuck sake Toss is op shit. 1 storm = gg storms are just sooo fucking op ,fuck blizzard and their mums as they do nothing about it what can u do agaist a storm .. the answear is nothing just delete them from the game and add a fuck blizzard skill

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EsX_Raptor

United States2802 Posts

October 21 2011 21:10 GMT

#72

On October 22 2011 06:08 jebacstormy wrote:
Ye For Fuck sake Toss is op shit. 1 storm = gg storms are just sooo fucking op ,fuck blizzard and their mums as they do nothing about it what can u do agaist a storm .. the answear is nothing just delete them from the game and add a fuck blizzard skill

lol

edit: I know a few people who are OP...

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United States3216 Posts

October 21 2011 21:41 GMT

#73

Number 1, 1 post only thread necro.

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