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I hate PvP

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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
November 21 2009 17:51 GMT
#1
I just hate this matchup. It really isn't that fun at all. Between the manner pylons and proxy gates every game to cannnon expands and storm/dt drops it is probably my least favorite matchup to play. This is a problem because I can't go not playing through 1/3 of my matches.

Maybe it's because I'm not that great at the matchup. Maybe it's because almost every protoss I play happens to be better than me. Fuck pvp -_-

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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
November 21 2009 18:08 GMT
#2
Yeah, I find it pretty bland myself.

The problem is that the pvp/total match ratio is bigger than 1/3 on iccup
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
November 21 2009 18:14 GMT
#3
This is why I play ZvP.. Think about switching, its pretty fun learning another race!
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 21 2009 18:23 GMT
#4
PvP is my favorite matchup
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 21 2009 18:28 GMT
#5
just cheese and get em over with, that's what i'd do

2gates in ur base, 2 proxy gates outside their base, stop making probes at like 16 or something


congrats u now win most of ur games if u have any clue at micro
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 18:43:14
November 21 2009 18:42 GMT
#6
the reasons you hate pvp is the reasons everyone hates playing against protoss. Your just a really fucking gay race to play against.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 18:46:55
November 21 2009 18:45 GMT
#7
On November 22 2009 03:42 yhnmk wrote:
the reasons you hate pvp is the reasons everyone hates playing against protoss. Your just a really fucking gay race to play against.

hahahahaha

edit: only 1/3rd of your matches? I haven't been on iccup lately but when I was playing vP was like 4/5 of my matches.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 18:50:16
November 21 2009 18:49 GMT
#8
don't worry, zvz and tvt are worse

and my most played matchup is vt weird
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 21 2009 19:02 GMT
#9
I <3 zvz.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
November 21 2009 20:01 GMT
#10
i love pvp because so many people hate it. its so ez
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
November 21 2009 20:48 GMT
#11
I fucking love PvP. Until it gets to like 40 minute games where map is split. Then i fucking hate PvP.
meow
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 21 2009 20:51 GMT
#12
PvP is much fun to play. I love it.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 21 2009 21:02 GMT
#13
pvp is awesome
Archon_Wing
Profile Joined May 2004
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 21:19:15
November 21 2009 21:18 GMT
#14
People boot me if I pick Protoss. A lot of people hate pvp
Nothing witty here atm
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
November 21 2009 21:22 GMT
#15
pvp at D = usually easy. Think of a starting strategy, 1 gate or 2 gate.. If he goes 1 gate and then core, but yours was up first, I sometimes hold a goon and zeal at my choke and get DTs before he can cannon up. Once that becomes ineffective, expand because you'll be ahead in eco. Then you can throw down like 4 more gateways, get obs, and just micro your dragoons at him. Just make sure to keep pumping goons after 2 DTs
since 98'
Always
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States376 Posts
November 21 2009 21:31 GMT
#16
lol mirror matchups in general are always kind of lame compared to different race mus
"Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error." - Linus Pauling
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 21 2009 21:42 GMT
#17
PvP is fun when you defend manner-pylon-2gate-cannon-rush-proxy-rush-noob-strategy then get a 14 kill DT... and then get steamrolled cus the other guy just made dragons and observers...

No, it sucks.
Favorite matchups:
ZvT
TvZ
PvZ
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 21 2009 21:54 GMT
#18
I'm about to start playing PvP myself in 15 more games, than I'll have 100 PvT games down, the first/only MU I've learned.

I like the idea as it is hard counters, and not having to see vulture mines for 200 more games (doing 100 PvP than 100 PvZ, than all).

And I will defiantly be walling on Destination like a madman! I've heard Tasteless say about a billion times how important scouting is on PvP, I'd prefer to let him only see my gate, pylon, and zealot/probe.

I do got to admit I'm not going to be looking foward to manner pylons, and dt rushes, they r my fav tricks in PvT now it'll be revenge back at me! lol
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 21 2009 22:24 GMT
#19
On November 22 2009 06:54 Diamondback2 wrote:
I'm about to start playing PvP myself in 15 more games, than I'll have 100 PvT games down, the first/only MU I've learned.

I like the idea as it is hard counters, and not having to see vulture mines for 200 more games (doing 100 PvP than 100 PvZ, than all).

And I will defiantly be walling on Destination like a madman! I've heard Tasteless say about a billion times how important scouting is on PvP, I'd prefer to let him only see my gate, pylon, and zealot/probe.

I do got to admit I'm not going to be looking foward to manner pylons, and dt rushes, they r my fav tricks in PvT now it'll be revenge back at me! lol

Yo, ya forgot gas steal and reaver drop.

Also carriers / arbiters but hey, they ain't common in pvp.
In the woods, there lurks..
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 21 2009 22:53 GMT
#20
you forgot the part where not only can you do all of this in pvt but that t has no good counters
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