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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 05:16:07
September 20 2009 05:15 GMT
#1
Ok, so I just had my 5g iPod stolen at work tonight - kind of sucks, but honestly I've had the thing for 4 years now and I've been waiting for an excuse to get a new one. I could barely get 6 solid hours of listening time out of it and my music library has outgrown the 30 gigs it allowed me. I don't even know how much it will be worth to whoever stole it, but whatever fuck it. Good riddance.

Anyways, I'm gonna head out tomorrow to get a new iPod, probably a nano for the time being (I would use my old Classic for running but it was so cumbersome it got to the point I couldn't stand it anymore). I'm also of thinking of splurging and getting a Classic/Touch for general use, but I'm not sure which. Main question here: is the Touch really worth it's $399 price tag atm? (if I'm gonna get one it would be the 64 gb version) All advice is appreciated.

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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 05:27:02
September 20 2009 05:26 GMT
#2
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small
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SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
September 20 2009 05:29 GMT
#3
iPod touch?
Thratur
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada917 Posts
September 20 2009 05:38 GMT
#4
Get a Creative or a Zune HD. In my opinion, ipods are overpriced.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
September 20 2009 05:39 GMT
#5
just get an ipod classic or whatever that has 80 gb

new nanos have 32 gb too
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
September 20 2009 05:49 GMT
#6
On September 20 2009 14:38 Thratur wrote:
Get a Creative or a Zune HD. In my opinion, ipods are overpriced.

Zune HD max storage space: 32 gigs
Creative max storage space: 32 gigs

Not gonna cut it.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 20 2009 05:50 GMT
#7
I don't think classic/touch is good for jogging, you want as light as possible. Shuffle isn't bad but it's probably lacking in many functionality for general use. Nano is your best bet from Apple, but seriously, nanos are ugly as fuck, and have been getting uglier and uglier (first gen was clearly the best).

I'd look for something else, iriver makes sleek mp3 players as well.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 05:51:56
September 20 2009 05:51 GMT
#8
do you want an awesome screen, ridiculous battery life, and (arguably) best sound quality among DAPs?
then get cowon S9 32gb
edit: lol I see you want a bigger storage
i still recommend thsi though
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 05:54:02
September 20 2009 05:53 GMT
#9
There are some really high storage size'd zunes now. There is a really fucking good one that just came out to match apple's new ipod lineups. There was a gen thread like last week on it
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 06:08:53
September 20 2009 06:05 GMT
#10
The 80 gb zune is ~199, the 120 gb is ~229. If I were to go in that direction I would probably just ante up the 20 extra bucks it costs to get a new Classic (I think they're all 160 gb now) as I was pretty happy with my old one. Does the regular zune have anything more to offer than the iPod Classic does?
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 20 2009 06:12 GMT
#11
On September 20 2009 14:26 motbob wrote:
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small


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eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
September 20 2009 07:54 GMT
#12
the new nano has a built in camera, if that interests you
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
September 20 2009 08:13 GMT
#13
For my purposes, I dk how much I would use it, but it's probably better than my shitty camera phone. The key with the nano/whatever else I may get instead of it is that its small, light, and has a decent capacity for listening to it when I'm working out. Anything else is just extra fluff that I probably won't use as much, so what motbob suggested sounds pretty good actually, I'll have to look into it.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 20 2009 08:14 GMT
#14
On September 20 2009 15:05 p4NDemik wrote:
The 80 gb zune is ~199, the 120 gb is ~229. If I were to go in that direction I would probably just ante up the 20 extra bucks it costs to get a new Classic (I think they're all 160 gb now) as I was pretty happy with my old one. Does the regular zune have anything more to offer than the iPod Classic does?


Larger screen, radio, doesn't use iTunes, sleeker controls, ability to customize background, and maybe more but I forget.

I've had both Zune 80gb and iPod Classic, and I prefer the Zune.
If you're going to splurge get the Zune HD, better screen (OLED for true black), longer battery life.

For exercise get a smaller MP3 player, the weight is annoying. Preferably not iPod or Zune honestly, they're overpriced in the smaller storage size department.



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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
September 20 2009 08:38 GMT
#15
I have an 80gb one now and wish I had a 120. I never thought I could fill up 80gb, but fuck, it can happen.

iPod does have the best all around MP3 player, but you can get much cheaper ones if you only need 5gb so.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 20 2009 11:19 GMT
#16
32GB is pitiful.

I have a classic 120GB, but after formatting it'll allow you a disappointing 111.95GB or something.

My music library's already grown past that, but you can't really do anything about it. ):
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
September 20 2009 11:24 GMT
#17
On September 20 2009 14:26 motbob wrote:
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small

sound interesting... hmmm what about the sound quality?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 20 2009 14:20 GMT
#18
On September 20 2009 20:24 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 14:26 motbob wrote:
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small

sound interesting... hmmm what about the sound quality?

It's not gonna be worse than an iPod or any other mass marketed DAP, if that's what you mean. Just the fact that you'll be encouraged to try flac will be the most noticeable 'improvement.' Combine that with an okay pair of ear buds, and you're fine.

The thing is, the market today for DAPs just doesn't have anything to do with high fidelity. High fidelity isn't very marketable to a bunch of people who are satisfied with "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" (I would venture to guess 95% of the population). There's a company called hisoundaudio that is trying to make sound quality their top priority, but they're going to crash and burn before they ever get really popular, and right now all their stuff is being marketed toward people with extra cash who don't mind trying out buggy firmware. Basically, between iPod, Zune, Sansan, probably Cowon too, the difference is more in your head than it is in the player. There's just no motivation for a company to go the extra mile in fidelity just to make the player more expensive for features most people won't notice. So they add gimmicky things instead like equalizers that anyone can see and will pay extra for. My point is... At this stage, don't worry about the SQ of a DAP. The most important thing is that you use high bitrate tracks.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 16:34:34
September 20 2009 16:33 GMT
#19
On September 20 2009 23:20 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 20:24 emucxg wrote:
On September 20 2009 14:26 motbob wrote:
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small

sound interesting... hmmm what about the sound quality?

It's not gonna be worse than an iPod or any other mass marketed DAP, if that's what you mean. Just the fact that you'll be encouraged to try flac will be the most noticeable 'improvement.' Combine that with an okay pair of ear buds, and you're fine.

The thing is, the market today for DAPs just doesn't have anything to do with high fidelity. High fidelity isn't very marketable to a bunch of people who are satisfied with "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" (I would venture to guess 95% of the population). There's a company called hisoundaudio that is trying to make sound quality their top priority, but they're going to crash and burn before they ever get really popular, and right now all their stuff is being marketed toward people with extra cash who don't mind trying out buggy firmware. Basically, between iPod, Zune, Sansan, probably Cowon too, the difference is more in your head than it is in the player. There's just no motivation for a company to go the extra mile in fidelity just to make the player more expensive for features most people won't notice. So they add gimmicky things instead like equalizers that anyone can see and will pay extra for. My point is... At this stage, don't worry about the SQ of a DAP. The most important thing is that you use high bitrate tracks.


The Sansa Clip's actually been said to have amazing sound quality with 320 MP3 files and lossless files.

To OP: The nano is okay. I do suggest the touch though for functionality as well as for YouTube, which is a good source of songs-on-the-go if quality isn't an issue and you have internet where you work.
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AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
September 20 2009 16:58 GMT
#20
http://www.dyscern.com/affiliates/DOTD.html

120 GB ipod classic for 173 dollars. Only 3 left. Decide nao!
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 17:23:32
September 20 2009 17:23 GMT
#21
The thing with the ipod touch is you can download tons of cool programs/games (a lot free) and shit and connect to the internet with it. Its basically an iphone without the phone part. Go to your local best buy and play around with one. I got a classic because it came with a 120g and I'm a geek like that but I'm actually regretting not getting a 32g touch.
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maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
September 20 2009 18:06 GMT
#22
I have a itouch and its okay. Most people say that the itouch is awesome with its apps but most of the apps are not that great. The only app that i've enjoyed was OSU! which is homebrew so if you want to get one, you have to know how to jailbreak it. For most of the other apps, if you want them for free, you have to jailbreak it which can run the risk of bricking your pod. If you already have a portable game system, go for something that plays flac and oggs.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
September 21 2009 00:48 GMT
#23
Touch is worth like $230
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
September 21 2009 02:19 GMT
#24
I own the (silver) generation Nano and have had it for three years. It's really thin and useful. Since my capacity only holds 4 GB, I store the one's worth listening. I don't feel like those 120 GB iPods are necessary - will you ever even listen to all that load while carrying your mp3 player? I highly doubt it. Nano is also thin and light making it very handy when running or just walking around school or whatever. Not to mention, I must have dropped the thing like over fifty times by now, yet it is very durable.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 21 2009 05:16 GMT
#25
SoMuchSoul, the option of listening to any song you can think of in your library is actually much nicer than you might imagine. Of course no one listens to 3 days of music over the course of their week one after another, but the convenience of not having to predict what you'll want to listen to is a great one. Couple with that the fact that 4 gb is only about 8, give or take 2, albums worth of lossless music, and it's pretty feeble. 320 kbs is compression that doesn't bother many people, but 4gb still won't get you far. You pretty much has to be one of those people who doesn't mind super compressed music.

Nano is for teenage girls
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
September 21 2009 05:37 GMT
#26
On September 21 2009 14:16 Chef wrote:
SoMuchSoul, the option of listening to any song you can think of in your library is actually much nicer than you might imagine. Of course no one listens to 3 days of music over the course of their week one after another, but the convenience of not having to predict what you'll want to listen to is a great one. Couple with that the fact that 4 gb is only about 8, give or take 2, albums worth of lossless music, and it's pretty feeble. 320 kbs is compression that doesn't bother many people, but 4gb still won't get you far. You pretty much has to be one of those people who doesn't mind super compressed music.

Nano is for teenage girls


You have a very fine point my sc friend. I also want to know whats the best out there with a big capacity of music. I've had them all to the 120 gigs to the 214mb. I want something that is small(no flashy shit unless its worth it) that is worth the sound of music. I like the sansa's b/c they are expandable in storage, but I also like something that my music won't come out like crap. I'm actually looking forward to purchasing a new music player here soon since my last one crapped out b/c of the heat or I really am not sure why it crapped out.

P.S. I've had many apple products crap out/or stolen, so the new nano video/fmRadio is surely on the list to compete with. Only if apple made their shit with expandable memory.
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Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
September 21 2009 05:38 GMT
#27
Hmm Chef, my quality of music is very high actually. All of my music comes from What.CD and I don't accept anything lower than 192 kbps, really. Fuck lossless though - that eats my harddrive. I only listen to lossless files if it really is worth listening to. ;p
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
September 21 2009 06:00 GMT
#28
^yea a part of my worthy listening music is lossless(albums I invested in) to transfer the music player(apple anyone?), I want a good music player with a good battery along with a good amount of memory. I want to purchase one within the next two months or so but less than $100 to nomore then $135 depending on storage capacity. I lose these things alot or buy to cheaply .
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 21 2009 10:22 GMT
#29
Can you really get sound quality high enough to warrant lossless music out of any mp3 player?
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
September 21 2009 14:28 GMT
#30
Doubtful, the highest I go with my music is 192kb.
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maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
September 22 2009 00:34 GMT
#31
lol lowest i got is 192kb

90% of my songs are 320 and i have around 10 gb of songs I havent tried lossless though. Is it really that amazing? I know some albums that have flac as a format but i havent bothered to dl them
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
September 22 2009 00:55 GMT
#32
learn to v0
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 22 2009 01:45 GMT
#33
FLAC and APE are amazing for classical music, so yeah, that's why most of my harddrive is being eaten by music :3
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Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
September 22 2009 01:59 GMT
#34
On September 22 2009 09:55 FragKrag wrote:
learn to v0


This.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-22 02:12:28
September 22 2009 02:11 GMT
#35
On September 22 2009 09:34 maga33 wrote:
lol lowest i got is 192kb

90% of my songs are 320 and i have around 10 gb of songs I havent tried lossless though. Is it really that amazing? I know some albums that have flac as a format but i havent bothered to dl them

Nah, 320 is fine. Lossless is just for peace of mind and the bemusement that you're listening to a track at about 1000 kbs. You can try it for an album or two if you want, and see if you feel like you enjoy the music more (for whatever reason that might be, psychological or technical), but I wouldn't bother killing your whole library if you stuff is already in 320. Most classical music doesn't even go higher than 450-600. The difference you'll notice is mainly in audio tracks below 200 kbs, which are actually atrociously bad, not on a psychological level, but on a level that it sounds like everything you listen to is being played thru a crappy telephone.
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The Raurosaur
Profile Joined April 2009
198 Posts
September 22 2009 02:21 GMT
#36
Whatever size you get, you'll probably outgrow it in a year or so, at least, if you keep expanding your music collection like a true connoisseur. I have an 8gb ipod touch, but at least 50gbs of music. I just load on the albums I want to listen to (or imagine I will want to listen to later in the week), and go with that. By paying attention to what you're actively deciding to and making a commitment to listen to, you gain a closer relationship with your music. (Okay, that sounds pretty gay, but you know what I mean.)
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Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
September 22 2009 03:58 GMT
#37
It takes me a long time to progress to new artists so this keeps my library relatively small. I can listen to the same song for a few weeks before moving on to another song... by the same artist. This way, I could be listening to one artist... for months (with sprinklings of other artists as well). The amazing thing is you always find something new you didn't hear before, and that keeps it fresh! Isn't music awesome?
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20159 Posts
September 22 2009 06:16 GMT
#38
On September 20 2009 15:12 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 14:26 motbob wrote:
Get a Sansa Clip Plus for $50 and a 32GB microSD card for <$100 if you're willing to sacrifice video functionality for price. The Sansa Clip is the best mp3 player on the market and it just got the capability to use microSD cards, which is awesome for people with huge libraries like you.

~20 hour battery life
FM Radio
Plays FLAC and OGG as well as normal formats like mp3 (you might have to convert from ACC though)

it's awesome and small


This


qft

by far the best thing you can do for that kind of money.
and whoever asked about the sound quality of the clip, its awesome.
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