I've always liked wolves. No question about it, they are my favorite animal. But my friend, who's a huge dinosaur lover, keeps saying that any decent dino could kill an infinite number of wolves. I then said without thinking first that I thought 50 wolves would easily be able to take down a Tyrannosaurus rex. He promptly laughed at my claim and dismissed it as balony. Being the wolf enthusiast I am, I promptly started looking on the internet to proove him wrong. Since I have no scientific background, I didn't have much luck. Although I found reports of starving wolves killing brown bears in the winter for food in Siberia, even I have to admit that taking down a brown bear is one thing and taking down a T-rex is quite another. So could anyone with some scientific knowledge settle our debate as to how many wolves it would take to kill a T-rex?
How many wolves would it take to kill a T-rex?
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MantaRay
United States20 Posts
I've always liked wolves. No question about it, they are my favorite animal. But my friend, who's a huge dinosaur lover, keeps saying that any decent dino could kill an infinite number of wolves. I then said without thinking first that I thought 50 wolves would easily be able to take down a Tyrannosaurus rex. He promptly laughed at my claim and dismissed it as balony. Being the wolf enthusiast I am, I promptly started looking on the internet to proove him wrong. Since I have no scientific background, I didn't have much luck. Although I found reports of starving wolves killing brown bears in the winter for food in Siberia, even I have to admit that taking down a brown bear is one thing and taking down a T-rex is quite another. So could anyone with some scientific knowledge settle our debate as to how many wolves it would take to kill a T-rex? | ||
infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6631 Posts
Either way it would take quite a number, 50 might be adequate though. | ||
Heyoka
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
A T-rex, despite its huge mass, has a very small brain. The brain of a T-rex cannot be bigger than that of a wolf. Therefore, it will have a hard time coping with wolves. Second of all, wolves are good team players. They will surround the T-rex and attack it from all sides. Some may even scale up toward the back and attack there. A T-rex will have difficulty handling this. While a T-rex can easily take down a single wolf in enough time, the damage inflicted by the individual wolves will eventually cause the T-rex to succumb to its injuries. However that brings up a point against the wolves. The amount of damage the wolves can inflict against a T-rex is very small, if you look at each individual wolf and its biting capacity and clawing capacity. In the end, however, I still believe the wolves have the advantage. With faster reflexes and a more agile build, it is capable of quick movement and reaction. The T-rex, as an attacker, is slow to react, and has an awful targeting system, so to speak. It relies on the enormous mass of its prey to be able to hit it. Hence, smaller prey are at an advantage because of the difficulty of aiming and scoring a hit. Does this make sense? Hope I've been helpful to your cause. | ||
jello_biafra
United Kingdom6631 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:47 heyoka wrote: I like whales and say they could kill a dinosaur AND a wolf at the same time If in water, then definitely | ||
Code
Canada634 Posts
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
Besides, i think a T-Rex should be able to kill or disable a wolf in just one bite (15 seconds, maybe?) so i don't think any reasonable amount of wolves could kill a T-Rex. | ||
Draconizard
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MantaRay
United States20 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:55 Draconizard wrote: What mechanism would you use to ensure that the wolves actually attack the thing? Their first reaction would probably be to bolt and run. Hunger. | ||
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United States191 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
But let's assume they did. Wolves are superior in numbers, speed, stamina and intelligence. I guess even 15 wolves could do it if they use their advantages wisely. Surround, bite the dinosaur somewhere, retreat, let it chase after one wolf while 5 others harass him from behind. Repeat until the T-rex breaks down from exhaustion and lots of small injuries. Or jumps off a cliff because it is so stupid | ||
ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Chuiu
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You seriously think wolves can take that? | ||
AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
Just a thought. | ||
FragKrag
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minus_human
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:03 Chuiu wrote: You seriously think wolves can take that? Best post of the year. | ||
s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
maybe even 3. | ||
Navane
Netherlands2698 Posts
The wolves could cover up the dinosaur and claw open its eyes and stuff | ||
Manbear
Canada306 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:03 Chuiu wrote: You seriously think wolves can take that? I really really laughed hard at that great post my friend, threads like this make TL so fun. | ||
fusionsdf
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Chill
Calgary25940 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:03 Chuiu wrote: You seriously think wolves can take that? rofl | ||
eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:14 s.a.y wrote: 5-10 at max. maybe even 3. ROFL tell me you are joking...cuz if you are serious about that, you are beyond uneducated. The T-rex could take down other large dinosaurs, and could handle ones like the raptor, but you assume that 3 little wolves would be capable of taking it down? It's 20ft tall, the only thing they are going to be biting at are his feet. How do you even know if their bite is capable of breaking through his skin, especially his leg / feet skin which would be even tougher than his softer areas due to calluses(his feet crush small trees as he walks). The strength of his tail alone would probably kill every wolf standing in it's path. The dinosaur was 7tons, I think throwing that weight around would surely kill however many wolves were gathered. I don't think he would try and use his jaws on them, due to his small arms and clunky size, but all the thing would have to do is step on them, and they would smoosh like goo. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
If I remember, that particular T-Rex is constantly foiled and subjugated by a stuffed tiger, girl from down the street, and two middle-aged, slightly bored adult humans. Wolves have a fighting chance. + Show Spoiler + | ||
skronch
United States2717 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:03 Chuiu wrote: You seriously think wolves can take that? well played | ||
inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
stop trying to 7v1 comp stomp fucking idiot!! | ||
s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:41 eXigent. wrote: ROFL tell me you are joking...cuz if you are serious about that, you are beyond uneducated. The T-rex could take down other large dinosaurs, and could handle ones like the raptor, but you assume that 3 little wolves would be capable of taking it down? It's 20ft tall, the only thing they are going to be biting at are his feet. How do you even know if their bite is capable of breaking through his skin, especially his leg / feet skin which would be even tougher than his softer areas due to calluses(his feet crush small trees as he walks). The strength of his tail alone would probably kill every wolf standing in it's path. The dinosaur was 7tons, I think throwing that weight around would surely kill however many wolves were gathered. I don't think he would try and use his jaws on them, due to his small arms and clunky size, but all the thing would have to do is step on them, and they would smoosh like goo. dood. he may be 40ft tall, but he has a brain a size of a shrunken testicle. wolfs are smart as dogs. and did you see the size of t-rex hands, he can't even masterbate? 6-7 wolfes would destroy them in 20 seconds. compare that to archon vs 7 zerglings with proper micro. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:41 eXigent. wrote: ROFL tell me you are joking...cuz if you are serious about that, you are beyond uneducated. The T-rex could take down other large dinosaurs, and could handle ones like the raptor, but you assume that 3 little wolves would be capable of taking it down? It's 20ft tall, the only thing they are going to be biting at are his feet. How do you even know if their bite is capable of breaking through his skin, especially his leg / feet skin which would be even tougher than his softer areas due to calluses(his feet crush small trees as he walks). The strength of his tail alone would probably kill every wolf standing in it's path. The dinosaur was 7tons, I think throwing that weight around would surely kill however many wolves were gathered. I don't think he would try and use his jaws on them, due to his small arms and clunky size, but all the thing would have to do is step on them, and they would smoosh like goo. That except modern researchers suggest that the T-rex was a scavenger, and not fit to fight. And, wolves have been shown to have a great learning reflex. Therefore as soon as they saw a couple of fellow wolves swept off by the tail, they'd know to avoid it. Wolf enamel is strong enough to pierce the skin of dinosaurs because back in the prehistoric era dinosaurs could pierce the skin of other dinosaurs with their teeth, including the T-rex which sustained damage from other dinosaurs, such as the triceratops. Modern biology shows that mammal bone density (and teeth density, which is a derivative) is stronger than that of reptilian bone density in the prehistoric era. Enamel, in addition, is even more dense than standard bone. Therefore, wolves can pierce the skin of a T-rex with bites. | ||
iLict
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Halfpastnoob
United States191 Posts
One wolf= one ling One T-rex(10 zealots) vs. 50 wolves(50 lings)=dead T-rex | ||
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Croatia336 Posts
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Spain3256 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:51 Halfpastnoob wrote: a more apt comparison would probably be T-rex = reaver, wolf = ling. 1v1, the wolf will never win, but with proper surround and strength in numbers, the wolf will be able to take down the T-rexT-rex= Ten Zealots One wolf= one ling One T-rex(10 zealots) vs. 50 wolves(50 lings)=dead T-rex | ||
Halfpastnoob
United States191 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:57 skronch wrote: a more apt comparison would probably be T-rex = reaver, wolf = ling. 1v1, the wolf will never win, but with proper surround and strength in numbers, the wolf will be able to take down the T-rex That is better comparison gg/end thread. | ||
arb
Noobville17917 Posts
Is it a Superiorwolf? | ||
Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
best blog evaaarrrrrRRR | ||
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Chuiu
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On September 14 2009 04:07 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Sounds like a very serious conversation. Thousands of them. The trex would have to kill so many wolves it died of exhaustion. The Zapp Brannigan approach. | ||
251
United States1401 Posts
and yeah wolves are smart, but the T-rex was massive. people seem to forget he can power sweep with his tail and that would fuck any number of respectable wolves up. even superior wolves. | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Its possible the wolves could simply circle it, prevent it from resting and let it exhaust itself | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On September 14 2009 04:10 251 wrote: wolves would never attack such a godlike creature. end of discussion. and yeah wolves are smart, but the T-rex was massive. people seem to forget he can power sweep with his tail and that would fuck any number of respectable wolves up. even superior wolves. yeah those god damn things were like 30 feet tall im pretty sure he could just eat each one in succession without any worries because if one tried to latch onto his neck or anything he could just stand up and the fall would fuck it up. Of course a massively unrealistic number would be able to get it done eventually. | ||
omfghi2u2
United States831 Posts
But, wolves for the win. | ||
Spike
United States1392 Posts
Can a wolf's jaw inflict serious damage to a T-Rex (mostly its legs)? Don't think so. Best strategy would be for wolves to just surround, evade, and exhaust a T-Rex. | ||
alffla
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weaksauce
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or three, but the other two are there for decoration. | ||
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
trex's are fucking huge | ||
randombum
United States2378 Posts
The Trex is 10 times taller and 80 times heavier than the wolf. You guys watch transformers? Cause imagine yourself fighting optimums prime. How many of you would it take to kill something that size even if it did have short arms. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:36 randombum wrote: Wolves would stand no chance. According to Wikipedia a T-rex would be like 40 feet tall and 14,000 pounds. The largest wolf is about 4 feet tall weighing 175 pounds. The Trex is 10 times taller and 80 times heavier than the wolf. You guys watch transformers? Cause imagine yourself fighting optimums prime. How many of you would it take to kill something that size even if it did have short arms. Optimus Prime is intelligent and agile. Ten men could beat a 60-foot-tall rock to bits given the time. | ||
forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
...unless of course the wolves have an attack speed upgrade... | ||
h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:36 randombum wrote: The Trex is 10 times taller and 80 times heavier than the wolf. You guys watch transformers? Cause imagine yourself fighting optimums prime. How many of you would it take to kill something that size even if it did have short arms. I am inclined to call you stupid for that, and inderictly I actualy did in this sentence. But then again we are discussing how many wolves it takes to own a tyrannosaurus. Transformers is fiction, in real life there is something called inertia. The pace at which the Transformers move and especially turn is not possible to achieve. That's like saying how many men does it take to take down the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man and the answer is 4. The question is, how thick/resistant was the skin of a tyranosaurus. If Wolf teeth can't cut through, wolves have a bit of a problem. If they can attack his legs, the dinosaur will lose to a much lower number than 50. | ||
DekkuM
United States149 Posts
It'd take just 3 wolves. | ||
Ideas
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
There comes a point where the size difference will more than make up for any numbers advantage within reason, and I believe the t-rex - wolf size disparity is within that range, so my answer is an obscenely large number of wolves. | ||
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Symmetry
Canada294 Posts
The T Rex existed 65 million years ago. The Gray Wolf is estimated to have originated about 300 thousand years ago. If you put the two into the same time period, their immune systems will be entirely different - the T Rex will have absolutely no defense against what it is eating. The modern diseases and bacteria in a single Gray Wolf would be more than enough to take down a T Rex. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:46 El.Divino wrote: Optimus Prime is intelligent and agile. Ten men could beat a 60-foot-tall rock to bits given the time. You think a T-rex isn't agile? Of course it is. Can you clarify the question a bit more... are the wolves and the T-rex locked in an arena or something? Because otherwise to kill a T-rex they would have to catch it first. If wolves did attack the T-rex would obviously just run away. Yes wolves are faster at a sprint but they can't maintain that for long periods of time. The T-rex would be able to move at a considerable pace for a long time. Say they are in an arena it would still take a ridiculous amount of wolves to kill the T-rex. Even then they aren't going to be able to do much damage. A wolf jaw would be utterly useless in an attack. The T-rex won't be stationary long enough for the wolf to get a grip and even if it could somehow open wide enough to bite something the jaw of a wolf is not powerful enough to do any damage. Wolves only have their jaws to attack with, without any claws or secondary means of attack they would be utterly useless against the T-rex. If the T-rex can't run away then the wolf can't either. 50 wolves in an arena with a T-rex would be a massacre. The rex would annihilate all of them. It would be just like Optimus prime vs 50 men as someone suggested. | ||
rredtooth
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:03 Chuiu wrote: You seriously think wolves can take that? maybe not wolves but I would put the odds pretty equal against this | ||
inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:09 DekkuM wrote: It'd take just 3 wolves. three dog night | ||
Muff2n
United Kingdom246 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:14 Ideas wrote: it depends on what materials the T-rex's house is made out of. Not enough people have lol'd at this post to do it justice. 4 meters tall is too big for the wolves to take down using their conventional methods. Ignoring guerilla tactics (no one likes a camper), from my research* it takes at least 40 wolves. *Set a lot of rats vs dogs and watched. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:46 s.a.y wrote: dood. he may be 40ft tall, but he has a brain a size of a shrunken testicle. wolfs are smart as dogs. and did you see the size of t-rex hands, he can't even masterbate? 6-7 wolfes would destroy them in 20 seconds. compare that to archon vs 7 zerglings with proper micro. Problem with your brain argument is that a T-rex doesn't need a huge brain. He just needs the part that drives him to kill. LOL 6-7 wolves in 20 seconds. You must be joking. | ||
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v[1.8]c
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Another thing that has been stated in this thread is the wolve's intelligent and the T-rex lack of. If the wolves are as smart as any of you said then it wont even try attacking the t-rex even driven by hunger. Assuming that it does, a starving wolf wont be able to diss out the maximum amount of damage that it normally would have and this plays more into the t-rex favor. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:23 Klive5ive wrote: You think a T-rex isn't agile? Of course it is. Can you clarify the question a bit more... are the wolves and the T-rex locked in an arena or something? Because otherwise to kill a T-rex they would have to catch it first. If wolves did attack the T-rex would obviously just run away. Yes wolves are faster at a sprint but they can't maintain that for long periods of time. The T-rex would be able to move at a considerable pace for a long time. Say they are in an arena it would still take a ridiculous amount of wolves to kill the T-rex. Even then they aren't going to be able to do much damage. A wolf jaw would be utterly useless in an attack. The T-rex won't be stationary long enough for the wolf to get a grip and even if it could somehow open wide enough to bite something the jaw of a wolf is not powerful enough to do any damage. Wolves only have their jaws to attack with, without any claws or secondary means of attack they would be utterly useless against the T-rex. If the T-rex can't run away then the wolf can't either. 50 wolves in an arena with a T-rex would be a massacre. The rex would annihilate all of them. It would be just like Optimus prime vs 50 men as someone suggested. Research has suggested the T-rex was a scavenger, and that it had no way of moving quickly, given its weight on its legs. It therefore, as far as science can tell us, is not agile. | ||
Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
1. the health and regeneration rate of the lone T-Rex 2. the number of wolves, their health and regeneration rates, and their attack speed 3. the attack speed and damage of the T-Rex 4. the size of the T-Rex in comparison with the sizes of the wolves, and how many wolves can surround the T-Rex at once 5. Upgrades, including weapon, shields, armor, metabolic boost, adrenal glands | ||
StorrZerg
United States13906 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:56 Stormer wrote: Don't most animals have arteries in their legs? Most predators aim for the neck or the arteries in extremities... they have tendons though... if those gets ripped then good luck running | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13906 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:23 Klive5ive wrote: You think a T-rex isn't agile? Of course it is. Can you clarify the question a bit more... are the wolves and the T-rex locked in an arena or something? Because otherwise to kill a T-rex they would have to catch it first. If wolves did attack the T-rex would obviously just run away. Yes wolves are faster at a sprint but they can't maintain that for long periods of time. The T-rex would be able to move at a considerable pace for a long time. Say they are in an arena it would still take a ridiculous amount of wolves to kill the T-rex. Even then they aren't going to be able to do much damage. A wolf jaw would be utterly useless in an attack. The T-rex won't be stationary long enough for the wolf to get a grip and even if it could somehow open wide enough to bite something the jaw of a wolf is not powerful enough to do any damage. Wolves only have their jaws to attack with, without any claws or secondary means of attack they would be utterly useless against the T-rex. If the T-rex can't run away then the wolf can't either. 50 wolves in an arena with a T-rex would be a massacre. The rex would annihilate all of them. It would be just like Optimus prime vs 50 men as someone suggested. \ You are wrong good sir. T rex to fast to be attacked? your saying a t rex is comparable to a mutalisk. and last i checked T-rex does not have wings. T-rex would have to be stationary while its killing a target (no moving and chewing allowed, hello shrunken testies for a brain ) During this time the rest of the wolves 30+ are jumping clawing tearing flesh from the T-Rex, and it was posted earlier that wolves teeth can pierce the skin of a T-rex. After a short while a tendon will have been damaged enough to make the T-rex immobile, and then short work to finish him off. | ||
armed_
Canada443 Posts
"lol wulves wouldn't stand a chance against a t-rex, i can tell from the weights and having seen many t-rexes in my time" | ||
Deleted User 3420
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they would climb up it's back, or it would fall over / get knocked over and then GG for sure think about it. the wolves could just run around the t-rex's feet and it's obviously going to trip and fall | ||
Deleted User 3420
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it is suspected to have had poor vision it has worthless little arms in front it wasn't that fast it had tiny stupid brain that many wolves would own it it only has 2 legs.... it can't bite where it's legs are all the wolves have to do is go up to it's legs and bite them | ||
Deleted User 3420
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On September 14 2009 05:36 randombum wrote: Wolves would stand no chance. According to Wikipedia a T-rex would be like 40 feet tall and 14,000 pounds. The largest wolf is about 4 feet tall weighing 175 pounds. The Trex is 10 times taller and 80 times heavier than the wolf. You guys watch transformers? Cause imagine yourself fighting optimums prime. How many of you would it take to kill something that size even if it did have short arms. i dunno where ur getting ur info t-rex was not like 40 feet tall even wikipedia says it's 13ft tall at the hips, so probably less than 20 feet total (given that it is like 40 feet long) | ||
Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
wolves would have a chance if the whole pack harassed the rex for a really long time until the rex dies of exhaustion | ||
icystorage
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
I guess it could only be worse with a T-Rex. | ||
rredtooth
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On September 14 2009 06:14 Lemonwalrus wrote: have you seen the recent indiana jones? ants rocked humans.How many ants would it take to kill a human? There comes a point where the size difference will more than make up for any numbers advantage within reason, and I believe the t-rex - wolf size disparity is within that range, so my answer is an obscenely large number of wolves. | ||
igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Also, if the wolves can go for the legs, the dinosaur can step on them or kick them. They weight several tons. What happens when people get hit by cars at slow speeds? Trying to trip a t-rex, so the wolves whose best advantage is being more agile, are going to use a tactic that's guaranteed to downsize their numbers? They're going to trip over something one hundredth of their weight? And assuming the trex fought other dinosaurs, it's used to fighting several ton dinosaurs with several feet long horns, or claws. I doubt they would suffer serious wounds from dinky little inch long claws barely scratching the surface of the skin. I doubt any number of wolves could kill it in under an hour. If they were to strategize, they could wait until it falls asleep or deny it food until it collapses. | ||
Draconizard
628 Posts
The answer, by the way, is more than 42. | ||
shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On September 14 2009 09:37 Draconizard wrote: This argument is about as intellectually stimulating as the question of how many unarmed midgets it'd take to kill an adult male lion. The answer, by the way, is more than 42. That article was fake =( | ||
Draconizard
628 Posts
Oh really? I had no idea! Now, let's have a stimulating discussion on the number of dung beetles needed to kill a guinea pig. | ||
FragKrag
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
Plus, wolves are probably too small to hit any vital organs of the T Rax, they can just blister its feet, leg and tail. Its like a human being going against a horde of Chiwawas, I guess. Meanwhile, I bite of T-Rex with those HUGE HUGE teeth and jaw would tear apart any wolf in a single bite. I would say, its unbeatable. Lions could take the call maybe... | ||
Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
Even if the dogs can't hurt him, they will keep annoy him to death. Its really like husband v wife. Or like white-fang is about. game over. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On September 14 2009 10:35 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: think of this as vultures vs ultras micro. 1 could do it, but its easier for many. plus you might run out of fuel. Uh ya no wolves don't even have any weaponry so clearly your argument is invalid. | ||
MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
It also depends on how strong t-rex's hide i guess. If its really sturdy, then no amount of wolves would be able to bite through it, well if you get couple thousand wolves you're bound to take down the t-rex. The problem with t-rex is that most of its weight is rested upon its two legs. Its like how tall people like yao ming gets injured often, its a lot of pressure that these two legs are experiencing, so if it becomes slightly injured, it would prove troublesome to the t-rex. | ||
DivGradCurl
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LeperKahn
Romania1828 Posts
On September 14 2009 07:38 El.Divino wrote: Research has suggested the T-rex was a scavenger, and that it had no way of moving quickly, given its weight on its legs. This isn't a reasonable argument simply because it ruins all of the awesome T-Rex fight scenes going on in my head right now. | ||
Tom Phoenix
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As for the predator vs. scavenger thing, the T-rex was both. Infact, active predators generally do not mind scavenging or even stealing food from other predators if they have the chance. The T-rex`s size also worked in it`s favour as it could intimidate smaller predators from the prey they killed. | ||
coltrane
Chile988 Posts
USe an Ultralisk and a bunch of zerlings. | ||
Scarecrow
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lazz
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:38 MantaRay wrote: Forgive me if this sounds too stupid of a question but I've recently gotten into a serious argument with my friend over my favorite animal... I've always liked wolves. No question about it, they are my favorite animal. But my friend, who's a huge dinosaur lover, keeps saying that any decent dino could kill an infinite number of wolves. I then said without thinking first that I thought 50 wolves would easily be able to take down a Tyrannosaurus rex. He promptly laughed at my claim and dismissed it as balony. Being the wolf enthusiast I am, I promptly started looking on the internet to proove him wrong. Since I have no scientific background, I didn't have much luck. Although I found reports of starving wolves killing brown bears in the winter for food in Siberia, even I have to admit that taking down a brown bear is one thing and taking down a T-rex is quite another. So could anyone with some scientific knowledge settle our debate as to how many wolves it would take to kill a T-rex? Over 9000 /thread | ||
omfghi2u2
United States831 Posts
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Stratos.FEAR
Canada706 Posts
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starfries
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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Arrian
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
So who knows how to code? | ||
Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Some one bring this topic to national geographic!! so then can create a CG about 30 wolves vs a Rex! | ||
MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:57 s_86 wrote: Would the T-Rex have time to prepare? this is lol | ||
FragKrag
United States11530 Posts
On September 14 2009 12:07 omfghi2u2 wrote: wolves lololol | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
T-Rex - 45 feet tall, weighs 14,000 lbs Wolf - 3 feet tall, 100 lbs the tyrannosaur would just stomp them into the ground. it's certainly more than 50, the T-Rex would kill dozens of them with every stomp/kick/mouth bite. the wolves won't really even damage him. obviously, a T-Rex can't take infinite wolves. at some point, the T-Rex will lose, whether from exhaustion or old age. but assuming the T-Rex doesn't have to eat or sleep, and the wolves can't stack on top of each other in some sort of giant dense wolf wall, a T-Rex can kill wolves all day. if the T-Rex's energy is finite, then the answer is as many wolves as a T-Rex can kill without physically dying of exhaustion, which is a hell of a lot more than 50. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
whoever said 50 = retarded trex can just lash around stomping the fuck out of shit | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On September 14 2009 15:56 Hot_Bid wrote: the wolves can't stack on top of each other in some sort of giant dense wolf wall ITS WOLF MORPHIN TIME! *queue hardcore metal power ranger theme* | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
"The biceps brachii muscle of a full-grown Tyrannosaurus rex was capable of lifting 199 kilograms (439 lb) by itself;" catapult some back over his head, whatever. | ||
RisingTide
Australia769 Posts
Realistically though, a single wolf bite could probably impart enough modern bacteria to give the T-Rex and it's prehistoric immune system a fatal infection. | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
I'm very disappointed. I'm too lazy now but I'm going to try this on my Scribblenauts rom tomorrow. | ||
HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:50 forgotten0ne wrote: Come on guys, have we not learned anything from Starcraft. It takes 9 zerglings to kill an ultralisk, so it must take 9 wolves to kill a T-rex. ...unless of course the wolves have an attack speed upgrade... You suck at zvz | ||
Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
10 wolves at most. The T-Rex wouldn't be able to attack more than one or two at a time. Wolves would go in and hamstring the fucker. Once thats done, the dinosaur is fucked. Think about it, as cool as T-Rex are, they never attacked large groups of other dinosaurs. They were a scavenger, preying on the weak and the young. Add this to the fact that wolves are also very cool, and you've got yourself a certified scientified answer. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Raptors are like 6 feet tall | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:02 CharlieMurphy wrote: somewhat related: Raptors are like 6 feet tall Velociraptors are actually very small. God History Channel makes me sick. All sensationalist bullshit. | ||
Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 14 2009 07:38 El.Divino wrote: Research has suggested the T-rex was a scavenger, and that it had no way of moving quickly, given its weight on its legs. It therefore, as far as science can tell us, is not agile. Definition: Agility is the ability to move and change direction and position of the body quickly and effectively while under control. I've read that wiki page just like you have and scientists agree that the Rex is a hunter as well as a scavenger so it would need to be somewhat agile. Think about how the tail would help in redistributing weight and also as someone mentioned it is not especially tall relative to it's length. It's center of gravity would not be high when attacking as it would stoop over. On September 14 2009 08:13 StorrZerg wrote: You are wrong good sir. T rex to fast to be attacked? your saying a t rex is comparable to a mutalisk. and last i checked T-rex does not have wings. O RLY?! There was me thinking it could fly. Wolves have no way of damaging a T-rex, that's the bottom line. A human comparison might be quite good here. We aren't particularly quick in straight line speed either. Now imagine something 80 times lighter than you, weighing about 1kg if you're an average adult male. 1kg. Just think how light that is to you. That is lighter than any dog breed I know of but imagine a dog. We're talking a really small dog. Now imagine they have no claws and a mouth that is so small it could bite your finger but still wouldn't do much damage. They would be pretty much incapable of doing you any harm. Yes you would struggle to hurt them back because they would just run around. It's pretty much a stalemate but if they come too close they will get kicked in the face and end up injured. | ||
Vex
Ireland454 Posts
On September 14 2009 21:26 Klive5ive wrote: Definition: Agility is the ability to move and change direction and position of the body quickly and effectively while under control. I've read that wiki page just like you have and scientists agree that the Rex is a hunter as well as a scavenger so it would need to be somewhat agile. Think about how the tail would help in redistributing weight and also as someone mentioned it is not especially tall relative to it's length. It's center of gravity would not be high when attacking as it would stoop over. O RLY?! There was me thinking it could fly. Wolves have no way of damaging a T-rex, that's the bottom line. A human comparison might be quite good here. We aren't particularly quick in straight line speed either. Now imagine something 80 times lighter than you, weighing about 1kg if you're an average adult male. 1kg. Just think how light that is to you. That is lighter than any dog breed I know of but imagine a dog. We're talking a really small dog. Now imagine they have no claws and a mouth that is so small it could bite your finger but still wouldn't do much damage. They would be pretty much incapable of doing you any harm. Yes you would struggle to hurt them back because they would just run around. It's pretty much a stalemate but if they come too close they will get kicked in the face and end up injured. no no no no no no no. all wrong. no. just no. 50 wolves > dino. | ||
deL
Australia5540 Posts
However, if we assume an 'arena' style scenario where wolves keep coming until the T-Rex goes down (not considering exhaustion) then it's something to think about. It is hard to prove that the wolves could even pierce the T-Rex's skin and scales, as even though their jaws can readily crush bown (to get to the sweet, sweet marrow within) the extent to which it would have to open its jawd to such a huge girth in (et tu Pholon?) probably would mean their jaw strength is useless. Also it's easy to give the wolves too much credit with regards to intellect, and we can't assume they'd go for the toes and cripple it or gang up and use their own dead weight to bring it down or impede it (plus their insticts might be a little sketchy when it comes to a T-Rex...). The wolves would have agility on their side, so it might be hard for the T-Rex to kill a whole bunch, and I'd say its legs and tail would be the more effective weapons than its jaws, especially as the wolves are in a pack and harder to target individually. T-Rex because of the body shape and weight distribution would have pretty exposed flanks (poor agility, but I imagine a good linear speed for 'charging' or something with the heavy skull - which would probably not catch a wolf). I've thought a bit about it before and while I think the hip structure like birds would give them pretty good direction change (e.g. emu or ostrich), the large, heavy skull and even larger, heavier tail - which those birds have neither of - just the interia from those weights (very eccentric to to centre of gravity remember) would mean it wouldn't change direction too fast. I would say the decider would unfortunately be fatigue as I doubt nearly any number of wolves could take down a T-Rex without it being handicapped somehow by exhaustion and the T-Rex would not be able to kill enough wolves fast enough. Charliemurphy velociraptors are like 6 feet *long*, including tail, not tall. They are like 2-3 feet tall tops, off the top of my head. Utahraptor was a huge bastard though and that could definitely take a T-Rex down even on its own, I imagine. Just remember that wolf hunts even with large packs are unsuccessful like 90% of the time and that is predominantly against the sick, old or disadvantaged stags or w/e they are called such as male ones with large, heavy horns - not the pinnacle of speed or agility and they still fail 90% of the time. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
shoot on sight | ||
Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
Anyone who is low balling answers clearly haven't thought it through or is going with the whole bacteria bit which is clearly against the spirit of said discussion A pack of wolves don't even attack adult bears yet people are insisting that a few could take on a 20ft T-Rex. There's the obvious - can a wolf's jaw even inflict damage? Besides, anything that gets close to the T-Rex will get kicked and stomped, and smacked by its tail. Sure, the wolves *may* get out of the way of a few attacks but me thinks people have been watching one too many kung-fu movies for their own good. The whole wolves are intelligent thing is also being taken a little too far. The correct answer = # of wolves it takes to tire out a T-Rex. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32009 Posts
only way trex loses is if he tires himself out | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32009 Posts
On September 14 2009 17:03 RisingTide wrote: Ok, on some TV show on Nat Geo or Discovery, I heard that while T-Rex's can sprint very fast, they have very little maneuverability side to side, and considering how agile and intelligent wolves are in comparison, it would actually be really hard for a T-Rex to score a blow on a wolf. Also, a wolf's teeth would be able to penetrate a T-Rex hide. Perhaps not a lot, but enough for blood to start coming out. I think maybe as few as 5 wolves would be able to do it. da fuk | ||
tdotkrayzee
United States1 Post
On September 14 2009 22:42 vGl-CoW wrote: OP was tdotkrayz shoot on sight How many tdotkrayzs would it take to rape a t-rex? one cuz im da man NSFW: + Show Spoiler + | ||
Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On September 15 2009 00:22 Kong John wrote: As if your lame f-14 T-rex ever stood a chance against even a single wolf... + Show Spoiler + Nice wolf there The only way we can know for sure is if we ask the makers of http://www.wolfquest.org/ to implement a T-Rex and then go hunt it. | ||
Elroi
Sweden5474 Posts
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teedotkrayz
United States2 Posts
On September 15 2009 00:01 tdotkrayzee wrote: How many tdotkrayzs would it take to rape a t-rex? one cuz im da man NSFW: + Show Spoiler + By the way vgl-cow this is u | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
However, the second time I tried it took just 2 wolves to bring it down because they got a perfect surround on the T-Rex. I guess Scribblenauts is like Starcraft where positioning can often mean more than numbers. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On September 14 2009 21:26 Klive5ive wrote: Definition: Agility is the ability to move and change direction and position of the body quickly and effectively while under control. I've read that wiki page just like you have and scientists agree that the Rex is a hunter as well as a scavenger so it would need to be somewhat agile. Think about how the tail would help in redistributing weight and also as someone mentioned it is not especially tall relative to it's length. It's center of gravity would not be high when attacking as it would stoop over. O RLY?! There was me thinking it could fly. Wolves have no way of damaging a T-rex, that's the bottom line. A human comparison might be quite good here. We aren't particularly quick in straight line speed either. Now imagine something 80 times lighter than you, weighing about 1kg if you're an average adult male. 1kg. Just think how light that is to you. That is lighter than any dog breed I know of but imagine a dog. We're talking a really small dog. Now imagine they have no claws and a mouth that is so small it could bite your finger but still wouldn't do much damage. They would be pretty much incapable of doing you any harm. Yes you would struggle to hurt them back because they would just run around. It's pretty much a stalemate but if they come too close they will get kicked in the face and end up injured. Good points. I suggest you check out Neil Alexander's article in Scientific American a while back. | ||
teedotkrayz
United States2 Posts
On September 15 2009 02:27 vGl-CoW wrote: help im being sexually assaulted by what seems to be an angry parrot with crab arms hey guys my names vgl-cow and im so cool im cooler than everyone even this kid | ||
abc_47
United States1 Post
I think it would play out like this. Wolves surround the Rex, They make small attacks and try to stay away as the Rex loses energy and blood. Eventually the Rex will collapse from exhaustion. BUFFET OPEN! | ||
Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
Doesn't matter how many wolves you have. They lack the tools to inflict a mortal wound to a 7 ton animal, much less a 7 ton predator. That's the reason saber-toothed cats had long fangs, and mammoths weighted only 4-5 tons. Any wolf that got withing striking distance would receive a most likely fatal blow while having a very small chance to injure the Tyrannosaurus. I suppose if you had a gazillion wolves you could wear it out but you'd also get the same effect with a gazillion bunnies as well. | ||
foppa
Canada451 Posts
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2049 Posts
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Rambling.
Canada314 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11530 Posts
On September 15 2009 02:27 vGl-CoW wrote: help im being sexually assaulted by what seems to be an angry parrot with crab arms hahahaha | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On September 15 2009 09:32 Rambling. wrote: How many rats do you think it would take to kill a human? I think that's a pretty close comparison. It really isn't. And not only that, but the elegant beauty of this question is that there is no possible comparison. How many wolves would it take to kill a T-Rex? Simple as that. | ||
Sadist
United States6980 Posts
On September 14 2009 16:25 Rekrul wrote: totally agreed with HB whoever said 50 = retarded trex can just lash around stomping the fuck out of shit agree to totally. A single tail swipe could destroy like 8 wolves at a time. It could head but the shit out of them and kill them. Not to mention.....if they jump on its back? GL it falls over and crushes them. | ||
neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
T-rex can't hit wolves Wolves can't hurt T-rex. They team up against sheep and sauropods and take over the world. | ||
Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
First off Trexs' brains are absolutely tiny comparison to their bodies, they're still larger than a human's, and from what I've been reading the old idea of proportion of brain to body as indicator of intelligence might not be a good indicator. So I think you might have to throw out the idea that a Trex was stupid and possibly give them the advantage in the brains depo.They used there tails to balance and turn fast so they're not as slow as we'd expect and on top of that with eyes on either side of their head they actually have the same peripheral vision as a hawk. Now the most damning evidence for wolves is of course the fact that Trex's mate with other Trex's! If you can survive being mounted by a 7tons of love a wolf bite isn't going to phase you. | ||
Misrah
United States1695 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On September 15 2009 05:10 foppa wrote: depends who is microing the wolfs Micro doesn't matter against AOE | ||
Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:38 MantaRay wrote: Forgive me if this sounds too stupid of a question but I've recently gotten into a serious argument with my friend over my favorite animal... I've always liked wolves. No question about it, they are my favorite animal. But my friend, who's a huge dinosaur lover, keeps saying that any decent dino could kill an infinite number of wolves. I then said without thinking first that I thought 50 wolves would easily be able to take down a Tyrannosaurus rex. He promptly laughed at my claim and dismissed it as balony. Being the wolf enthusiast I am, I promptly started looking on the internet to proove him wrong. Since I have no scientific background, I didn't have much luck. Although I found reports of starving wolves killing brown bears in the winter for food in Siberia, even I have to admit that taking down a brown bear is one thing and taking down a T-rex is quite another. So could anyone with some scientific knowledge settle our debate as to how many wolves it would take to kill a T-rex? How many zerglings does it take to beat an ultralisk I think would answer the question. | ||
Ghost151
United States290 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:01 ghermination wrote: Lions team up to take down hippopotamuses, which, although they individually could take out two or three lions, are incapable of fighting off 5 or 10. A few lions in front distract them, while another two or three jump on the hippopotamus back and bite/claw its skin. They can easily disable it within a few minutes this way, as the hippopotamus is incapable of reaching its back. I imagine it would be the same way with the T-Rex, considering its pretty obvious that physically a T-Rex wouldn't be able to reach its own back. this logic is pretty flawed seeing as a Rex is like twice the size of the biggest hippo and wolves are nowhere near the size or power of lionesses... also rex being bipedal kinda defeats the whole "jumping on the back" idea; it would be too tall and it's not exactly gonna let the wolves just jump on it even if they could spring that high. Lions versus hippos isn't a very good comparative based on the size of the animals alone. a better one would be like wolves versus an elephant, an animal of comparative size to a rex. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 14 2009 23:22 Hawk wrote: Ever feel Alligator skin? Wolves would have a hard time on that. Imagine 20-30ft tall worth of said skin, and a munch bigger head. only way trex loses is if he tires himself out no proof what dinosaur skin looks like though, they could be lizardy or furry who knows. | ||
keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 16 2009 00:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: no proof what dinosaur skin looks like though, they could be lizardy or furry who knows. Completely wrong. There is plenty of proof that they had tough, reptile like skin. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 16 2009 06:36 keV. wrote: Completely wrong. There is plenty of proof that they had tough, reptile like skin. yea that is the generally accepted theory, but some of them could have had feathers or whatever. We obviously can't be 100% sure of it though. Just saying because there is no way you can assume that a wolf couldn't scratch/bite into it. (I do believe the theory btw) | ||
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On September 16 2009 06:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: yea that is the generally accepted theory, but some of them could have had feathers or whatever. We obviously can't be 100% sure of it though. Just saying because there is no way you can assume that a wolf couldn't scratch/bite into it. (I do believe the theory btw) I believe that they have actual fossil imprints of T-Rex skin, showing that it was indeed tough and scaly. Anyways, I'm going to have to go with the "T-Rex is immune to wolves" camp and say that a T-Rex would be able to kill as many wolves as possible before succumbing to exhaustion. Also, the argument that 'modern' bacteria would wreak havoc upon the T-Rex's immune system would work both ways, since the wolves' immune systems would be mal-adapted to deal with Cretaceous germs. | ||
Spike
United States1392 Posts
They're not cats, their only weapon is their jaw. From what I've read/heard, wolves mostly hunt the weak, wounded, old, or young. They are far less successful against a healthy specimen. The whole intelligent card is being played too much. If you're going to play the intelligence card, you should also count their mindset/instinct. Their strategy is to kill with minimal injury because an injured wolf is useless to a pack. Wolves basically have 2 hunting techniques: If the animal flees (ex. Elk) - chase it to exhaustion. If the animal confronts (ex. Bison) - wait and harass it out. Now how the fuck is a wolf suppose to harass a T-Rex without getting itself hurt? I don't think people realize the dangers a wolf would have to put itself in to bite a T-Rex. I had exhaustion before but I'm going to change it to no way a pack would ever try to attack a T-Rex. Even starved, I would put money that they would turn to cannibalism (they are known to eat their injured) before even thinking about attacking a T-Rex. The only way wolves would attack a T-Rex is if it's in a confined space with one. And if its T-Rex v Wolves in a confined area, T-Rex bulldozes unless you use an imaginary pack with 60+ members. | ||
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Bub
United States3517 Posts
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United States22895 Posts
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Old Sagat
United States42 Posts
Also, I think that SC2 is helping to solve this problem. Hear me out... I think that this is similar to Ultras and Marines. You see, it's not linear. Like three ultras will lose to 100 marines, but 6 ultras beat 200 marines. So, using the transitive properties of nature, I think it's safe to assume that while 50 wolves can beat one T-Rex, 150-wolves will get slaughtered by 3 T-Rexes. Dramitization of this below. + Show Spoiler + | ||
Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On May 05 2010 04:53 Old Sagat wrote: This is possibly the best blog ever. Also, I think that SC2 is helping to solve this problem. Hear me out... I think that this is similar to Ultras and Marines. You see, it's not linear. Like three ultras will lose to 100 marines, but 6 ultras beat 200 marines. So, using the transitive properties of nature, I think it's safe to assume that while 50 wolves can beat one T-Rex, 150-wolves will get slaughtered by 3 T-Rexes. Dramitization of this below. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odO6fNo9-P8 hi. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
As you saw in 1st jurassic park, multiple velociraptors jump on the trex. Velociraptors are acknowledged as the most dangerous dinosaur, and a hunter in a pack much like wolves, but much bigger size (human height i guess), pretty much a big fking sword claw on their feet and stronger/sharper/tougher teeth with much stronger bite strength. They were able to jump realllllly high too and very agile. I don't think 5 velociraptors can take down a Trex, so there you have it. But i think 50 wolves can take on 5 velociraptors... However, I think 50 direwolves can take a trex | ||
Kashll
United States1117 Posts
Pack animals are super strong... in ... errr.. packs | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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