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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 04:46:57
September 04 2009 04:36 GMT
#1
First half, he introduces that he thinks he is going to be a schizophrenic, and that he has introductory symptoms. I bring up buddhism and cessation of suffering through annihilation of the ego.

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ME says:
what is it for you?
ME says:
what's it like that is so bad?

MY FRIEND says:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm
MY FRIEND says:
i have most

ME says:
ok but what is it
ME says:
that's bad
ME says:
that makes u suffer

MY FRIEND says:
i feel no emotion
MY FRIEND says:
only stress
MY FRIEND says:
cant really feel good
MY FRIEND says:
i feel dreamlike

ME says:
are you unable to relax?

MY FRIEND says:
have no desires
MY FRIEND says:
yes
MY FRIEND says:
have no feeling
MY FRIEND says:
at all
MY FRIEND says:
all i do is sleep

ME says:
so then you aren't unhappy ?

MY FRIEND says:
and sit at the computer
MY FRIEND says:
mm
MY FRIEND says:
id say i am unhappy
MY FRIEND says:
i can feel somewhat bad

ME says:
ok well...
ME says:
you aren't sad
ME says:
i guess
ME says:
?

MY FRIEND says:
frustrated
MY FRIEND says:
tired

ME says:
yeah I have been like this a lot too

MY FRIEND says:
desperate

ME says:
well, how i was before adderall
ME says:
except now im quite a bit better
ME says:
I can tell you what I have done to make it better

MY FRIEND says:
did you read the symptoms

ME says:
ok i will right now
ME says:
--The inability to experience joy or pleasure from activities (called anhedonia)
ME says:
has been the worst for me
ME says:
my whole life ive struggled with this

MY FRIEND says:
i wouldnt be surprised if you matched a lot of the symptoms

ME says:
u don't have hallucinations right?

MY FRIEND says:
no
MY FRIEND says:
had some delusions though

ME says:
have u spent time

MY FRIEND says:
if they werent delusions
MY FRIEND says:
then were living in a matrix
MY FRIEND says:
which is actually quite possible
MY FRIEND says:
and likely

ME says:
naw i don't think so
ME says:
i have reason to believe it isn't so
ME says:
you have spent time analyzing yourself and exploring your own consciousness?
ME says:
right?

MY FRIEND says:
yes

ME says:
I think you're just waking up, and that is hard
ME says:
you need to get in touch with the source of your experiences as much as possible
ME says:
you know, when you are really focused, and your ego disappears
ME says:
do you know what im talking about?

MY FRIEND says:
well
MY FRIEND says:
i dont have an ego
MY FRIEND says:
anymore

ME says:
well i dont believe that
ME says:
if you didn't have an ego you wouldn't have anything to complain about

MY FRIEND says:
i felt i lost it on lsd actually

ME says:
if you are unhappy you definitely have an ego

MY FRIEND says:
thats a buddhist concept
MY FRIEND says:
that doesnt seem true to me

ME says:
well it seems true to me and i wish it seemed true to you because it's where my improvement in life has come from

MY FRIEND says:
yah if you want to not feel anything
MY FRIEND says:
i dont call this an improvement

ME says:
tell me
ME says:
if this makes sense to you
ME says:

ME says:
it gets to the point when he starts talking about the blue jay
ME says:
don
ME says:
don't you wonder why you are unhappy?
ME says:
you think it's just a material thing that you can't change only with your mind ?

MY FRIEND says:
im listening to a song now
MY FRIEND says:
later

ME says:
i
ME says:
will become enlightened
ME says:
and show you that it's real and worth doing

MY FRIEND says:


ME says:
if you're unhappy it's because you want something you've had before
ME says:
i'd think
ME says:
if u don't want to talk about this stuff it's fine

MY FRIEND says:
i dont mind

ME says:
if you had food
ME says:
to live
ME says:
and shelter to keep you warm
ME says:
and nothing else
ME says:
and no responsibilities
ME says:
you would still have that unhappiness right?

MY FRIEND says:
yes

ME says:
do you wonder why that is?

MY FRIEND says:
i do

ME says:
in that situation, shouldn't you be able to be happy anyways?
ME says:
in any given moment you aren't sad right? I think I understand because I am so similar to you.
ME says:
I think it's because you want to be happier
ME says:
that you are unhappy
ME says:
it's a wanting things to be different
ME says:
that causes the negative aspects of how you feel
ME says:
it is certainly impossible to feel bad
ME says:
if you give no attention to how you feel

MY FRIEND says:
hmm
MY FRIEND says:
thats interesting
MY FRIEND says:
ive smoked a bit
MY FRIEND says:
and when you said
MY FRIEND says:
about wanting things to be different
MY FRIEND says:
i kinda stopped doin git
MY FRIEND says:
and felt better
MY FRIEND says:
immediately
MY FRIEND says:
it wont disappear that easily but
MY FRIEND says:
seems like youre right

ME says:
Something else I would recommend
ME says:
is to try very hard to be thankful for things, and appreciate
ME says:
each and every little thing
ME says:
be happy about each and every thing
ME says:
if you are in a good mood, it is much easier to see
ME says:
that everything is great, every little thing is a gift
ME says:
but we can still condition ourselves to see things that way, even if life is hard for us
ME says:
just spend time, look at a tree, see how beautiful it is and what a gift that is
ME says:
or feel your body, that you can feel sensation. what a gift that is
ME says:
if you get good enough at it, everything is a gift. even pain
ME says:
to simply be able to feel anything
ME says:
is a blessing
ME says:
and if you condition yourself to think this way
ME says:
it is eventually true
ME says:
and if you are looking at everything positively
ME says:
it really doesn't matter what other people think of things, for you, life is beautiful and great
ME says:
but that takes time and effort
ME says:
and requires you to stop and put effort into it
ME says:
when you are feeling down

MY FRIEND says:
interesting

ME says:
Even if you have uncurable schizophrenia and eventually you were a total lunatic, I think you can still change your views to the point where life is great and something you appreciate




2nd half, I expand upon the role of the ego in our suffering, and explain a little more what buddhism/enlightenment is about

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MY FRIEND says:
hmm
MY FRIEND says:
i like what you wrote now

ME says:
the point with buddhism is to not "see" things any way. they just are as they are. but that is much harder than it sounds
ME says:
mentally we tell stories about everything that is happening
ME says:
rather than just experiencing the sensation of pain, for example
ME says:
we feel it as something that hurts
ME says:
rather than just what it is
ME says:
pain doesn't hurt until we tell ourselves it hurts
ME says:
do you understand what i am saying? and do you agree with it ?

MY FRIEND says:
im not sure
MY FRIEND says:
i think most healthy people dont have the ability to turn off pain
MY FRIEND says:
you have to dissociate to do that

ME says:
not turn it off
ME says:
pain, the sensation, does not mean "it hurts". it's just a feeling of what is happening
ME says:
the "it hurts" part is when we expand upon the sensation of pain
ME says:
does that make more sense?

MY FRIEND says:
yes
MY FRIEND says:
ive thought this before

ME says:
the "expand upon the sensation of pain". that part, I would say, is the doing of the ego
ME says:
and it works for everything, not just pain
ME says:
pleasure too
ME says:
taste, sight, sounds
ME says:
etc
ME says:
so in buddhism the goal is to eliminate the ego so you are experiencing everything just how it is
ME says:
instead of these expanded versions that our ego creates
ME says:
because when you are experiencing everything just how it is, that is ultimately peaceful and there can be nothing wrong with it
ME says:
part of me hopes that you really investigate what I am talking about because I know you are capable of getting there, like I am
ME says:
your eyes are open, and most people's are not
ME says:
thats why things are so hard for you I think

MY FRIEND says:
im thinking about it

ME says:
it's why i got
ME says:
basically addicted to weed
ME says:
well, why i liked weed so much
ME says:
and adderall I guess
ME says:
they help me get to the place where you are experiencing things just how they are
ME says:
but they also (especially weed) can have negative effects as well
ME says:
or just like, side effects
ME says:
like change how you feel
ME says:
I think the reason they made it easier to get to the place where you experience things for how they really are
ME says:
is because they made me feel better, feel happier
ME says:
and when you are happier it is easier to get to that place
ME says:
but if you do a lot of research on say, ramana maharshi
ME says:
it is pretty interesting
ME says:
ramana maharshi wasn't even a buddhist
ME says:
he wasn't anything
ME says:
the only method to attain enlightenment that he used was
ME says:
to sit and look for the source from which all experiences arise
ME says:
the place that the ego, or "I" thought comes from
ME says:
and eventually he found it and that is where he stayed
ME says:
do you know the quote
ME says:
"It's like a finger pointing to the moon. Don't look at the finger, or you'll miss out on all the heavenly glory."
ME says:
?
ME says:
Because that quote perfectly explains what the buddhist view of the ego is, the role it plays in our lives
ME says:
The moon = the source of our experiences. The finger = our egos.
ME says:
And most people look at the finger rather than looking at the moon


uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
September 04 2009 04:42 GMT
#2
Hoooooooly cow plz spoiler that, it's so looooooong.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
September 04 2009 04:43 GMT
#3
May I request a summarized version? It hurts to squint...Laptop's on powersaver =[
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 04:47:44
September 04 2009 04:47 GMT
#4
Sorry guys, I did my best. Put effort into formatting, changing names.

Added spoilers so it is seperated into 2 halves.

But I can't really summarize this any more than what is above the spoilers.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
September 04 2009 04:48 GMT
#5
OMG it's a blog; read it or leave. Stop asking for a TLDR, this is teamliquid.net not Twitter.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
September 04 2009 05:03 GMT
#6
peep peep peep

are you successfully learning buddhism without the benefit of a mentor? or do you have a mentor?
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24670 Posts
September 04 2009 05:22 GMT
#7
I sincerely hope you used some kind of a find/replace tool rather than manually changing every name Travis.

Interesting blog Travis.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
September 04 2009 05:45 GMT
#8
Man, some people take life way more serious than I do. Chillax and enjoy the awesomeness that is life.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 04 2009 05:46 GMT
#9
On September 04 2009 13:43 sArite_nite wrote:
May I request a summarized version? It hurts to squint...Laptop's on powersaver =[


unfortunately you can't summarize enlightenment
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
September 04 2009 05:54 GMT
#10
In case you changed it all manually I'm going to post this link: http://www.123renamer.com/

Now, regarding the blog, I think it was quite interesting. I've never interacted with buddhism so I didn't really know the main concepts but this was actually interesting. I do think your friend is fine, he's just having a depression or something.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 06:11:29
September 04 2009 06:09 GMT
#11
On September 04 2009 14:03 Failsafe wrote:
peep peep peep

are you successfully learning buddhism without the benefit of a mentor? or do you have a mentor?


I only call myself a buddhist because my views coincide with the teachings of buddha. In buddhism, all the learning you do is attained through self-teaching.

"Gurus" and the like are just guides that help point you in the right direction.


On September 04 2009 14:22 micronesia wrote:
I sincerely hope you used some kind of a find/replace tool rather than manually changing every name Travis.

Interesting blog Travis.


I used notepad's replace feature
FastEddieV
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States614 Posts
September 04 2009 08:56 GMT
#12
Very interesting read. Thanks for sharing this, Travis.
platinum? more like leaf
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
September 04 2009 09:07 GMT
#13
read everything.

not bad. not bad at all. i never really understood what buddhism was about and now it has given me a bit of an idea what it is.

very insightful.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 04 2009 09:59 GMT
#14
On September 04 2009 15:09 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2009 14:03 Failsafe wrote:
peep peep peep

are you successfully learning buddhism without the benefit of a mentor? or do you have a mentor?


I only call myself a buddhist because my views coincide with the teachings of buddha. In buddhism, all the learning you do is attained through self-teaching.

"Gurus" and the like are just guides that help point you in the right direction.


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2009 14:22 micronesia wrote:
I sincerely hope you used some kind of a find/replace tool rather than manually changing every name Travis.

Interesting blog Travis.


I used notepad's replace feature



holy shit there's a replace feature in notepad. learn something new everyday
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-04 10:52:00
September 04 2009 10:38 GMT
#15
nvm, will read later
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
September 04 2009 10:50 GMT
#16
Lots of BS imo.

"Those who are developing schizophrenia are unaware that they are becoming sick."

Is the only thing you need to say to your friend. He is anxious, but he sure as hell isn't schizophrenic
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
September 04 2009 13:13 GMT
#17
Good stuff, although I really think you should address his fear of schizophrenia more if he actually thinks he is getting it (I don't know your friend or his situation so I'm not going to assume that his fear is unfounded or anything but maybe it is).

I enjoyed reading the explanation of enlightenment/ego though, that's good advice for anyone who's suffering from anything really.
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saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
September 04 2009 13:13 GMT
#18
Thanks travis.

I am quite in tune with Buddhism, but I'm a free thinker. The customs did not quite agree with me, I went to a mission school in Singapore, I saw another religion, I do not think I will stick with one, but observe values make sense to me.

It is good of you to offer a solution to your friend's problems, but it will only solve one thing: his emotional and mental well-being. It will set his mind at ease.
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
September 04 2009 17:29 GMT
#19
On September 04 2009 19:50 Foucault wrote:
Lots of BS imo.

"Those who are developing schizophrenia are unaware that they are becoming sick."

Is the only thing you need to say to your friend. He is anxious, but he sure as hell isn't schizophrenic

This

I'd say he's definitely suffering from anxiety attacks and perhaps the initial signs of general anxiety disorder. I thought I was schizophrenic once too, aswell as a whole bunch of other things when my anxiety disorder was kicking in to high gear. I was certain I was insane and that my life was over. It's just Anxiety.
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
September 04 2009 18:22 GMT
#20
If you're desperate for an answer its easy to just read the sympthoms and apply them to get some kind of a meaning out of it.

Its easy to find something when youre looking for it.
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