"Why is that so important to you" - Page 2

On September 01 2009 11:56 ghermination wrote:


When i first read that, i checked your profile to see if you were 13-16, and instead found a picture which i will be staring at the next time i trip on acid.

On September 01 2009 11:53 ghermination wrote:


Yes, its probably a very personal thing. However i definitely know how much these things have changed my life. Also a lot of the negative side effects are greatly exaggerated. For example, remember that whole "one joint = 20 cigarettes" bullshit, when now its being shown that marijuana is an effective preventative to cancer? Admittedly PCP would be a bad example to use because people DO go crazy on it and HAVE done things (such as eating their sons eyes) but i've done pcp myself at least 7-10 times, and with a good amount of other people, and most of the time we just kind of sat there and tripped balls. I think it takes a certain degree of mental instability to snap and enter psychosis on PCP, just as i think it would take a certain amount of instability for any drug to trigger latent psychological disorders within you.

On September 01 2009 11:34 Koiru wrote:
I don't Really have a problem with people and their drugs but suggesting psychoactive drugs are going to change cultures in good ways if everyone started taking them is a bit ridiculous.

The reason I think this is because if people start taking them en masse just to escape from any of their problems or stress, they really won't grow as human beings since I would say it usually takes conflict to grow. A land of stagnant minds caught up in pretty colors and altered perceptions won't be productive or efficient.

Also, if something became so widespread and popular don't even try to bullshit anyone saying "Well people wouldn't take them during work hours, they'd be serious then." because we all know that wouldn't be true. I don't need my construction workers and crane operators tripping on LSD while they're supposed to be working.

I also have a question. Why/what is the appeal of changing your personality, living in a different world, not being you, etc.? I do not take or use any drugs whatsoever so I'm obviously not an expert and take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but I just don't see what the point is other than to escape from how you're currently feeling or your life situation that you're in. Yes, many people have fucked up lives and serious problems, but not the majority of drug users. It just seems like pussying out to me. I don't need to get high just to live with myself.

Yes people do it for fun or whatever but it still seems like a waste of time and money.

On September 01 2009 12:06 Kiarip wrote:


Ok, but doesn't it trigger a relatively drastic change in chemical balance in your brain during the reaction, which isn't something that it was originally designed (evolved) for, and so although it's quite possible that the risks aren't extremely high and probably much lower than advertised, since our current understanding of the nervous system is still pretty vague, these changes in chemical balance are probably dangerous (admittedly also possibly beneficial) for a lot more reasons than what is actually known about.

I just don't understand the logic behind taking some drug, the literal effect of which despite your claims you probably understand mostly/only in a non-quantifiable manner for a reason such as having a "life-changing experience," when the human mind is more than capable of this in it's default state without foreign substances.

On September 01 2009 12:15 ghermination wrote:


The brain indeed evolved to have sudden massive changes in brain chemistry, which are, at least for a vast majority of your life, not normal. For example, in a fight or flight situation, adrenaline and other chemicals flood your body (and brain) in mass quantities. When you dream, and when you die, huge amounts of DMT are released into your brain as well. Also, i believe that the fact that we SPECIFIC opiate and cannabinoid receptors in our brains proves something. Maybe its not because of some overarching design, but i think that there is no way that those chemicals could be harmful if our brains are designed to handle them. I believe that this post responds to both your and Chef's posts.

Also, Chef, its your personal choice whether or not you choose to use psychoactives, because some people are uncomfortable with a change in their perspective. However i really do wish you would try something weak - like marijuana - at least once.

On September 01 2009 11:03 ghermination wrote:

There seems to be some sort of... repression of psychoactives in our modern culture. Mushrooms wrote the Bible. Marijuana and LSD created the 70's in America. DXM is becoming an outlet for expression for thousands of people all over the world. For some reason we've come to this belief that "Psychoactives are bad." And propaganda distributed by governments all over the world continues to drive that belief home in millions (if not billions) or perfectly intelligent people. However, as in the examples i explained earlier, when a psychoactive becomes an important part of a culture, it always changes things in (relatively arguably) good ways.

On September 01 2009 12:26 Chef wrote:
Drugs, or anything else, if you hurt yourself, you hurt everyone who depends on you. Unless you're a hermit living the middle of no where, you really are hurting more than just yourself. Whether your care about that or not is your own look out, but 'no one gets hurt but me' is a bad excuse for anything.

On September 01 2009 12:28 iamho wrote:
i thought you went to jail for drug dealing or something like that? i remember i thread on it a while back. anyways, i never went beyond weed in high school so im not as knowledgeable as you, but I knew plenty of people who screwed themselves after getting into hard drugs..sure you might not, but society as a whole is probably better off with them illegal



the vast majority of people don't use drugs, you are way overstating their influence.

On September 01 2009 12:10 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Your post kinda makes me angry because its so full of negative assumptions, but like you said you dont know a thing about drugs so I'll try to share some insights.

Not every drug has the same effect of putting you in some fairytale land. There's a reason why some people try LSD but wont ever go near heroin, etc. Look at it this way: the world around us is completely processed through our mind. Everything you see, hear, feel, etc is filtered through your gray mass. So why isnt it interesting to induce a difference in how you perceive things? Hormones do it to us all the time. The weather does it to us. Food does it to us. Why not with a drug-experience?
Assuming that everyone would constantly be taking drugs is also complete bogus. The fear of addiction is something that people have been putting in your mind since you've been little. If you know what you are getting into, have self control and make sure you do not abuse or do it too much, addiction is basically impossible. Every drug is of course different in this effect (I wouldnt take meth because of how addicting this is). But its not like everyone who enjoys a beer from time to time is a goddamn alcoholic.

Read my previous statement. The LSD statement was probably kind of a joke. But still. All you're saying shows how you know absolutely nothing about what these things do and how people handle them. And again, do you see people boozing all day during work or what?

Actually many drugs can induce strong spiritual trips and insights into one's psyche. Saying people who use drugs must have fucked up lives that they're trying to escape is like saying people who play sc are all total douchebag nerds who live in their basement because they have no friends. Why can you not understand that these experiences can have very profound and interesting results for yourself? They're not about escaping at all, they're about shedding new light on reality and yourself.

Again, over generalizing. Taking drugs does not mean you do it every day or every week for that matter. And not every drugdealer is some 'shady guy who gives you some good stuff for free and then robs you of all your lifesavings!!!!'

On September 01 2009 12:28 ghermination wrote:


I'm sorry but that seems like a completely rediculous statement. Me doing any drug isn't going to cause my family to spontaneously burst into flames. Personally, my entire family is aware of my drug use and they are fine with it.

Obviously, if an addict ends up out on the streets, performing oral sex on a well endowed african american gentleman for an underweight balloon of black tar laced with acetone, then yes, that would probably cause heartache for the family. However hopeless addicts like that are the exception, many MANY people use all sorts of addictive drugs without getting addicted.

On September 01 2009 12:36 Koiru wrote:
Having never done them I could use a bit more detail :o. What's the difference in feeling people get between LSD/Heroin/PCP/Cocaine?

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