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thedeadhaji
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
btw your preconditions and conclusion dont logically connect at all
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You can't cheese more than a rank above your own rank. Maybe for a game or two, but consistently? No way
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well said good sir. You're rank on iccup is by no means the only indicator of you're knowledge of this amazing game.
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United States3824 Posts
On September 01 2009 00:41 thedeadhaji wrote:
btw your preconditions and conclusion dont logically connect at all
Yeah I have to go to work and I was like, "Bail out! And then I didn't want to throw it away so I posted it.
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United States3824 Posts
And I didn't close that quotation.
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People from less cool sites would agree with you.
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FakeSteave.
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 i think posting you rank shows that you atleast have a clue about what your talking about, Even though people prolly are gonna think your a boasting dick. Posting your ICCup rank is kinda shooting yourself in the foot, it can still be usefull though.
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Yeah, I've played FakeSteve before, and I was surprised at how good he actually was (for some reason, I expected him to be super chobo lol). As you said in the OP, stats aren't a good comparative measure of the relative skills of two people, but, in the long run (if you keep on playing), they're a pretty good indicator of how good you really are. If you've laddered long enough to reach the point where you lose more often than you win (assuming you're playing straight up because you want to see how far your actually skills can take you), then you can get a decent estimate of your skill level.
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I'm barely C (got it last day after about 80 games), and I beat Warmaster. You might say he has a good game plan, but he's just good at cheesing in games one right after another. He's not actually "B-" rank at all, more like a C who cheesed his way to barely B-.
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I've added my ICC rank to my ID card, don't you say bullshit to me.
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Following your reasoning, first and last don't mean anything as well. Especially not last. The only thing last place means is that out of all the bad players, you are willing to play the most. And it's very possible that the guy in first got that rank instead of someone else, say, the guy in second, because of a strange set of coincidences. Or he just plays more ICCUP games than the others around his skill level
It's pretty well known that there are many flaws with judging someone by their rank. But to say that rank means absolutely nothing isn't true. No matter what line of reasoning you give me, a legit B- with a winning record is better than a D player with 30% wins and 200 games played
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There's really no point in arguing with the OP since it's clear that its just his rant with the purpose of telling us that rank is so unimportant it's not worth getting worked up over... and especially getting banned over.
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Ah, it's a cleverly disguised "You fools! Why did you hack?!" rant.
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On September 01 2009 01:21 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
I'm barely C (got it last day after about 80 games), and I beat Warmaster. You might say he has a good game plan, but he's just good at cheesing in games one right after another. He's not actually "B-" rank at all, more like a C who cheesed his way to barely B-.
Random thought:
I think part of the reason cheese seems to work so well at lower levels is that the cheeser has a definite gameplan (given, it's much easier to hammer out a gameplan as the game is shorter and easier to repeat since there is less variation to account for), while the cheese-ee likely does not (even if he's not unfamiliar with responding to the cheese, it's still almost certain that he doesn't know exactly what to do and when to do it unlike the cheeser). Comparing cheese to lower level standard play, the players seem to have a vague idea of what they're doing and why, and maybe they know how to react in certain situations, but what they're lacking is knowing specifics - having a plan. For example, a cheesing 2hatch hydra player may know 9pool speed->deny scouting->12 drones on minerals, 3 on gas->keep pumping hydras once you reach your drone count. He has a plan he can execute any time. But a 5hatch hydra player may only know, "oh, I'm going to drone up until roughly 28/6, take my third gas and go lurks/mutas, then see if I can take more expos and drone up some more, maybe transition back into lurkerling while someone keeping my money down even though it's a totally different unit combination that requires different drone counts."
tl;dr version: Get a game plan, it helps a ton (especially as a Zerg player). And you'll be a lot more confident in your game.
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