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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 16:50:28
August 31 2009 16:49 GMT
#21
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=67455
Rekrul and others agree.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
August 31 2009 16:50 GMT
#22
First and Formost: FakeSteave fucking owns. You know it, I know it. What's his rank on ICC? D-ish. Does that mean that me and FS are on the same level? Absoutely not. FS would destroy on me at SC, be it talking, playing, commentating, knowing battle.net commands, etc.


if it is true ( i doubt it) FS is not a good player. Pheraps he is good in theory but not in gaming (they are two differents things).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
August 31 2009 16:52 GMT
#23
Saracen speaks mountains of truth.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 31 2009 17:03 GMT
#24
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.


lol warmaster
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Terranlisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Singapore1404 Posts
August 31 2009 17:15 GMT
#25
I'm D.
aka myheronoob
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
August 31 2009 17:25 GMT
#26
You're not your iccup rank.
You're not how much vespene gas you have in the bank.
You're not the units you micro.
You're not the contents of your profile.
You're not your fucking keyboard.
You're the all-singing, all-dancing noob of the world.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44279 Posts
August 31 2009 17:38 GMT
#27
On September 01 2009 02:25 decafchicken wrote:
You're not your iccup rank.
You're not how much vespene gas you have in the bank.
You're not the units you micro.
You're not the contents of your profile.
You're not your fucking keyboard.
You're the all-singing, all-dancing noob of the world.

With chaos syndrome nothings real. Everythings far away. Everythings a copy of a copy of a copy. When you have chaos syndrome, you're never really asleep... and you're never really awake
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
nisukeapple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
314 Posts
August 31 2009 17:44 GMT
#28
i have people telling me that D level is dangerous, full of possible gosu's with progamer names that you'd submit to repdepot and go, ' real bisu? ', and that they could make c+ if they really tried, even if they've never played on iccup ladder before

but i played 9 games, two seasons ago--just D level-- and i thought they were the worst players ever
because my spammy 400apm or something, with no real build order, finished off zergs that would never get off ( 1 ) base
i think everyone's experience in iccup--unless you're part of a club, channel, or a bunch of friends that do the same things as each other--differs
assimilator before pylon or whatever, and 5 probes mining all game
i had no idea where these people found iccup from---looked like their first game of starcraft ever, was with me

but am i to judge ?

if i make it to C, sh*t changes, and there's more selection of players
they wanna' get better, and that letter, and record, shows a time committment at the very least don't you think?
relatively speaking, it's not easy to get to A on iccup when you're playing B level--what an ambiguos thing to say, what is B and what is C---it's different every time you get there

that difference, each time, or one particular season, can some way work with coincidence to bring people away from the game and from -here-
feel free to msn at me
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
August 31 2009 17:50 GMT
#29
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?
Moderatorsloppy little slug
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 31 2009 18:04 GMT
#30
let me guess
3 hatch lings?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
August 31 2009 18:05 GMT
#31
I'd say the iccup is a better indicator of skill than APM. I'm not sure you can say that if FakeSteave(?) is a legitimate D- player, that he is likely to beat someone who is a legitimate B level player.

It's just one relative measure of skill, but not absolute.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 31 2009 18:12 GMT
#32
Huh. You can either use strategic play or go for some sort of more standard game. I don't see how using strategic play every game somehow lets you get to ranks that you should not be at. If you can use strategic play to get to B- then you ARE B-.

Basically, you are trying to say that Luxury didn't win an MSL right? Because he cheesed? B- with strategic play = B- with standard only games. That's just how it is. Sure it's EASIER to get to B- using cheese, but it doesn't change the fact that you are B-.

I for one play standard EVERY game. Against zerg I do a forge FE into either a 4gate zealchon or just a midgame army of zeal/goon/temp. Against terran I go either 1 gate obs or 2 gate obs. Despite this, I don't hold anything against people who use strategic plays against me to win.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 19:32:48
August 31 2009 19:30 GMT
#33
If you want to see a semi-bad player who can cheese his way to A- look at Yan...he is not A-, nowhere NEAR it, but he gets it every season (1v1). Check his matchlist; it will be 99% PvP, under 8 minutes, 100% proxy gate in mid, and he'll usually win a tournament around high B to get his A-.

He's very good at cheesing, though. I watched him almost beat Brat_OK on Requiem when they uploaded the clanwar reps to ICCUP, with his 2 gate proxy shit. I think that he will never beat someone he's played more than once, though, because it's 2 gate middle 100% of the time. Brat_OK beat him in the first game, barely, but then after that it was not remotely close.

Not to say Yan is bad, but he's certainly no "legitimate" 1v1 A- player.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 31 2009 20:03 GMT
#34
Cheese till D+
Everygame i dont cheese, i lose. Half the game i cheese i win. Wtf? i suck. im still D.

Ling all-in 24/7
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
August 31 2009 20:04 GMT
#35
On September 01 2009 00:39 thedeadhaji wrote:
quit and win imo

Works for TL staff too.
Administrator
nisukeapple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
314 Posts
August 31 2009 20:06 GMT
#36
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol
feel free to msn at me
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 31 2009 20:41 GMT
#37
On September 01 2009 05:06 nisukeapple wrote:
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol


are you serious?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
August 31 2009 21:50 GMT
#38
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 31 2009 21:53 GMT
#39
On September 01 2009 06:50 Hypnosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.

I don't think you've watched very many older Flash games...
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 21:56:07
August 31 2009 21:54 GMT
#40
The best measure of a player is not how well they can cheese up a ladder, but how they fair in a BoX or against players with an opportunity to observe some of their games before playing. If you can only play one build, and it has hard counters, you're not very good. However, if you can either play a build that's OK/adaptable against anything, or can play a variety of cheeses with different counters, you can count as a good player. No need to worship 'standard' play.

On September 01 2009 05:06 nisukeapple wrote:
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol

It's a cheesy rush strategy in 1v1 (get 24+ lings fast and rush the hell out of them - only works against FE unless they give up their choke, and requires the element of surprise), and a viable 2v2 build (but awkward if the other zerg gets mutas out, since you have few drones and no tech).

On September 01 2009 06:53 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 06:50 Hypnosis wrote:
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.

I don't think you've watched very many older Flash games...

He also cheesed Effort recently. But his cheeses work because you know he can play standard.
My strategy is to fork people.
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