• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:52
CEST 02:52
KST 09:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles2[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?14FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall SC uni coach streams logging into betting site Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2024!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 636 users

Don't Tell Me Your Rank - Page 2

Blogs > cgrinker
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 16:50:28
August 31 2009 16:49 GMT
#21
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=67455
Rekrul and others agree.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
August 31 2009 16:50 GMT
#22
First and Formost: FakeSteave fucking owns. You know it, I know it. What's his rank on ICC? D-ish. Does that mean that me and FS are on the same level? Absoutely not. FS would destroy on me at SC, be it talking, playing, commentating, knowing battle.net commands, etc.


if it is true ( i doubt it) FS is not a good player. Pheraps he is good in theory but not in gaming (they are two differents things).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
August 31 2009 16:52 GMT
#23
Saracen speaks mountains of truth.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 31 2009 17:03 GMT
#24
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.


lol warmaster
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Terranlisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Singapore1404 Posts
August 31 2009 17:15 GMT
#25
I'm D.
aka myheronoob
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20017 Posts
August 31 2009 17:25 GMT
#26
You're not your iccup rank.
You're not how much vespene gas you have in the bank.
You're not the units you micro.
You're not the contents of your profile.
You're not your fucking keyboard.
You're the all-singing, all-dancing noob of the world.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42551 Posts
August 31 2009 17:38 GMT
#27
On September 01 2009 02:25 decafchicken wrote:
You're not your iccup rank.
You're not how much vespene gas you have in the bank.
You're not the units you micro.
You're not the contents of your profile.
You're not your fucking keyboard.
You're the all-singing, all-dancing noob of the world.

With chaos syndrome nothings real. Everythings far away. Everythings a copy of a copy of a copy. When you have chaos syndrome, you're never really asleep... and you're never really awake
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
nisukeapple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
314 Posts
August 31 2009 17:44 GMT
#28
i have people telling me that D level is dangerous, full of possible gosu's with progamer names that you'd submit to repdepot and go, ' real bisu? ', and that they could make c+ if they really tried, even if they've never played on iccup ladder before

but i played 9 games, two seasons ago--just D level-- and i thought they were the worst players ever
because my spammy 400apm or something, with no real build order, finished off zergs that would never get off ( 1 ) base
i think everyone's experience in iccup--unless you're part of a club, channel, or a bunch of friends that do the same things as each other--differs
assimilator before pylon or whatever, and 5 probes mining all game
i had no idea where these people found iccup from---looked like their first game of starcraft ever, was with me

but am i to judge ?

if i make it to C, sh*t changes, and there's more selection of players
they wanna' get better, and that letter, and record, shows a time committment at the very least don't you think?
relatively speaking, it's not easy to get to A on iccup when you're playing B level--what an ambiguos thing to say, what is B and what is C---it's different every time you get there

that difference, each time, or one particular season, can some way work with coincidence to bring people away from the game and from -here-
feel free to msn at me
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
August 31 2009 17:50 GMT
#29
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 31 2009 18:04 GMT
#30
let me guess
3 hatch lings?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
August 31 2009 18:05 GMT
#31
I'd say the iccup is a better indicator of skill than APM. I'm not sure you can say that if FakeSteave(?) is a legitimate D- player, that he is likely to beat someone who is a legitimate B level player.

It's just one relative measure of skill, but not absolute.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 31 2009 18:12 GMT
#32
Huh. You can either use strategic play or go for some sort of more standard game. I don't see how using strategic play every game somehow lets you get to ranks that you should not be at. If you can use strategic play to get to B- then you ARE B-.

Basically, you are trying to say that Luxury didn't win an MSL right? Because he cheesed? B- with strategic play = B- with standard only games. That's just how it is. Sure it's EASIER to get to B- using cheese, but it doesn't change the fact that you are B-.

I for one play standard EVERY game. Against zerg I do a forge FE into either a 4gate zealchon or just a midgame army of zeal/goon/temp. Against terran I go either 1 gate obs or 2 gate obs. Despite this, I don't hold anything against people who use strategic plays against me to win.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 19:32:48
August 31 2009 19:30 GMT
#33
If you want to see a semi-bad player who can cheese his way to A- look at Yan...he is not A-, nowhere NEAR it, but he gets it every season (1v1). Check his matchlist; it will be 99% PvP, under 8 minutes, 100% proxy gate in mid, and he'll usually win a tournament around high B to get his A-.

He's very good at cheesing, though. I watched him almost beat Brat_OK on Requiem when they uploaded the clanwar reps to ICCUP, with his 2 gate proxy shit. I think that he will never beat someone he's played more than once, though, because it's 2 gate middle 100% of the time. Brat_OK beat him in the first game, barely, but then after that it was not remotely close.

Not to say Yan is bad, but he's certainly no "legitimate" 1v1 A- player.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 31 2009 20:03 GMT
#34
Cheese till D+
Everygame i dont cheese, i lose. Half the game i cheese i win. Wtf? i suck. im still D.

Ling all-in 24/7
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
August 31 2009 20:04 GMT
#35
On September 01 2009 00:39 thedeadhaji wrote:
quit and win imo

Works for TL staff too.
Administrator
nisukeapple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
314 Posts
August 31 2009 20:06 GMT
#36
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol
feel free to msn at me
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 31 2009 20:41 GMT
#37
On September 01 2009 05:06 nisukeapple wrote:
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol


are you serious?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
August 31 2009 21:50 GMT
#38
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 31 2009 21:53 GMT
#39
On September 01 2009 06:50 Hypnosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.

I don't think you've watched very many older Flash games...
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 21:56:07
August 31 2009 21:54 GMT
#40
The best measure of a player is not how well they can cheese up a ladder, but how they fair in a BoX or against players with an opportunity to observe some of their games before playing. If you can only play one build, and it has hard counters, you're not very good. However, if you can either play a build that's OK/adaptable against anything, or can play a variety of cheeses with different counters, you can count as a good player. No need to worship 'standard' play.

On September 01 2009 05:06 nisukeapple wrote:
isn't 3 hatch ling a 2 v 2 rush strategy ? lol

It's a cheesy rush strategy in 1v1 (get 24+ lings fast and rush the hell out of them - only works against FE unless they give up their choke, and requires the element of surprise), and a viable 2v2 build (but awkward if the other zerg gets mutas out, since you have few drones and no tech).

On September 01 2009 06:53 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 06:50 Hypnosis wrote:
On September 01 2009 02:50 intrigue wrote:
On September 01 2009 01:11 gumbum8 wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/277406/1x1.html
you CAN cheese consistently... this guy has 120 apm, B-, avg. game length is little over 9 mins...
Course, just mad props to warmaster, its a strategy game and his is superior.

haha, he's sick. he showed me a few reps and they were just absolutely hilarious - whatever works on a ladder, right?


Yea but if ANYONE played him with that knowledge he would get raped. = not a good player. You know why bisu is fucking sick? Because he plays standard and straight-up. He is a master of the game the way it should be mastered. Same with Flash. Guess who the only person he ever cheesed was? Bisu.

I don't think you've watched very many older Flash games...

He also cheesed Effort recently. But his cheeses work because you know he can play standard.
My strategy is to fork people.
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Korean StarCraft League #77
CranKy Ducklings101
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft423
Livibee 123
ProTech68
Vindicta 26
RuFF_SC2 5
StarCraft: Brood War
MaD[AoV]45
Bale 30
Icarus 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever362
NeuroSwarm122
League of Legends
JimRising 607
Counter-Strike
summit1g11022
tarik_tv4886
taco 563
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King125
Other Games
shahzam855
Maynarde148
ToD114
JuggernautJason112
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick49546
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta30
• HeavenSC 10
• Mapu3
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 23
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2191
League of Legends
• Jankos1705
• TFBlade637
• Stunt281
Other Games
• Scarra1383
• WagamamaTV193
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
9h 8m
WardiTV European League
15h 8m
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
23h 8m
The PondCast
1d 9h
WardiTV European League
1d 11h
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 15h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Cure
[ Show More ]
FEL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
4 days
CSO Cup
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.