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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote: Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote: But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you." | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:46 keV. wrote: It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you." Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about. Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."? | ||
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote: Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. About abortion, I understand in the extreme situation where the girl is raped and can't support the baby to get an abortion. Otherwise isn't it giving those kids who have sex under 18 an easy way out? (Oh, you can have sex all you want and if you get pregnant just abort it). I think some parts of trying to get an abortion should be controlled. | ||
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Maero
349 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:16 Licmyobelisk wrote: Oh man, sorry about not using carne asada, usually I buy ground beef that's why I posted shredded beef. here are some more tacos for us to crave on: ![[image loading]](http://www.asisoytacos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tacos.jpg) Just check out the different fillings you can put in your taco! where the fuck is Jibba when you need him! damn, i am very hungry now and carne asada? never had it on my tacos, but now i am going to have to try it | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 24 2009 15:37 BanZu wrote: Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about. Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."? Considering my post doesn't mention whether or not god exists at all. (It doesn't "pretty much" say it either for the 5000th fucking time.) I can't respond to this comment in any way, other then telling you that your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect. Someone saying "I'll pray for you" is a dismissive method in dealing with atheists who confront christians with questions. What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved. Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. Tell me where I say god doesn't exist, or where you are reading that I "pretty much" said it. Please. | ||
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Chromyne
Canada561 Posts
On August 24 2009 16:34 keV. wrote: Considering my post doesn't mention whether or not god exists at all. (It doesn't "pretty much" say it either for the 5000th fucking time.) I can't respond to this comment in any way, other then telling you that your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect. Someone saying "I'll pray for you" is a dismissive method in dealing with atheists who confront christians with questions. Wait, so Athiests would ask Christians a question and in response they would say, "I'll pray for you?" I think you're talking to the wrong people. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 24 2009 16:39 Chromyne wrote: Wait, so Athiests would ask Christians a question and in response they would say, "I'll pray for you?" I think you're talking to the wrong people. No, perhaps it was a bad example. Either way, often, when someones says "I don't believe in god" and someone responds with "Well, I'll pray for you" You are indirectly (though often deliberately) dismissing their belief and are unwilling to listen. Watch Religulous if you want an example of Christians being dismissive. It is a metaphor for being unwilling to listen to the atheistic belief. For the record, I'm not an atheist, I just truly don't think it is important what you believe happens after you die. | ||
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Draconizard
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
After graduated from high school, I went on a country trip with my family. We were in Orland, Florida for Disney World. My sister was taking me downtown Disney on my wheelchair. We went pass a black guy that was in a wheelchair. He looked at me and I looked back at him. I asked him why are we crippled and he answered me. We are cripple because its God's will, God had a plan for everyone, he told me. I went home that night and thought to myself. That was when i realized that God exists. I felt him in my heart and soul. He was touching me. Deep inside of me. He gave me hope for life again. Now I pray to him everyday and night. I want him to touch me again and give me pleasure beyond this world. When I die I want to come to his kingdom so I could be with him forever. Under his glory, the deep pleasure that he gives me. | ||
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faseman
Australia215 Posts
On August 24 2009 19:44 Ichigo1234551 wrote: I was an atheist my whole life. In my senior year of high school, I was in the track team and was heading for state competition. That when I had my car accident which crushed my right leg. I was really mad because I turned into a cripple. I asked myself why did this happened to me. After graduated from high school, I went on a country trip with my family. We were in Orland, Florida for Disney World. My sister was taking me downtown Disney on my wheelchair. We went pass a black guy that was in a wheelchair. He looked at me and I looked back at him. I asked him why are we crippled and he answered me. We are cripple because its God's will, God had a plan for everyone, he told me. I went home that night and thought to myself. That was when i realized that God exists. I felt him in my heart and soul. He was touching me. Deep inside of me. He gave me hope for life again. Now I pray to him everyday and night. I want him to touch me again and give me pleasure beyond this world. When I die I want to come to his kingdom so I could be with him forever. Under his glory, the deep pleasure that he gives me. You are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Although, you will cease to exist in any form after death, so I guess you will never know. How can you believe that "god" actually sets out to punish people for no reason? How does anyone reach that conclusion? It's pretty disturbing really. I mean, it seems as though you had a pretty good life, then for no reason, "god" decided to cripple you? I can't help myself but laugh at your conclusion drawn from a comment by a random dude. You actually believe this? Sigh. On second thought it might be a troll. Can anyone even think this way...it's shocking to me. | ||
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duckett
United States589 Posts
Please do not bash the OP for his beliefs. The OP was very interesting and as someone who had the same kind of internal conflict I really appreciate his blogs. To assess the impact of religion on "the face of humanity": start with examples of huge problems caused by religion like the crusades, the inquisition, the indian subcontinent conflict, etc. Then sum up the marginal utility gain of every human who has believed in the past 3500 years, the sense of peace of mind that belief he got from belief in a higher being who had a plan that could not be shaken. Then realize that such a comparison is impossible, and stop talking about it. To assess the impact of religion on a single life, ask yourself: is there any situation in the entirety of the human experience where somebody's faith is productive? That the marginal (rationally baseless) increase in confidence might help them better perform a daunting task? If it is even conceivable, stop judging other people's lives and beliefs, because you don't know how much their live is or is not filled with these situations. If you claim to live your life based on hard evidence, ie you don't believe in things not backed by evidence, then certainly you cannot say that in any person's life would be better or worse served by religion; you have no evidence. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On August 24 2009 20:49 faseman wrote: You are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Although, you will cease to exist in any form after death, so I guess you will never know. How can you believe that "god" actually sets out to punish people for no reason? How does anyone reach that conclusion? It's pretty disturbing really. I mean, it seems as though you had a pretty good life, then for no reason, "god" decided to cripple you? I can't help myself but laugh at your conclusion drawn from a comment by a random dude. You actually believe this? Sigh. On second thought it might be a troll. Can anyone even think this way...it's shocking to me. The post looks more like a taco! ![[image loading]](http://www.rockiescast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/happy-taco2.jpg) | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On August 24 2009 20:57 duckett wrote: Religion debates are well described my motkle a while back as everyone coming to the table thinking they have a greater portion of common sense than everyone else, that their reason is somehow fundamentally superior. That sums up religious debates quite well. It's something every side of the religious debate is guilty of, and it's something even I am guilty of. Though I try my best to restrain my desire to assert superiority above others, because the truth of the matter is that everyone knows SOMETHING that everyone else does not. To assess the impact of religion on a single life, ask yourself: is there any situation in the entirety of the human experience where somebody's faith is productive? That the marginal (rationally baseless) increase in confidence might help them better perform a daunting task? If it is even conceivable, stop judging other people's lives and beliefs, because you don't know how much their live is or is not filled with these situations. Yes. Religion has caused some of the greatest atrocities in the history of mankind, but it has also brought forth some of the most wonderful things ever. Many religious groups (not just Christians) have started organizations for charity, donation drives, missionary work, and many theists go out to third world countries to do whatever they can to help those who are suffering. Yes, there are many atheists who also do charity work, but the fact remains that many individuals do charity work because they feel "compelled to by a divine force." I think it is disrespectful to tell people that they NEED to change their beliefs if those beliefs are inciting them to do good work for others. Who are we to judge others and tell them that their belief system is incorrect? Nobody has all the answers - any scientist or religious scholar would tell you that. I personally believe that science and religion are mutually exclusive, but I feel it is this very exclusivity that shows that these two systems are not in opposition to one another. Science deals with observation of the tangible, natural world, whereas religion deals largely with the intangible, supernatural world. Science bases its beliefs on observations, whereas religion based its beliefs on faith, prayer, and meditation. I think every human being is entitled to their own beliefs regarding the existence/non-existence of the divine, so long as these beliefs do not influence a person to be judgmental (and in extreme cases, violent) towards others. Unfortunately, there are atheists and theists alike who act in a judgmental manner towards others, boldly asserting a definitive understanding of "the absolute truth of the universe" while accusing the other party of stupidity and ignorance. This sounds very flowery and idyllic, but my motto is, "Believe in whatever things will influence you to be a good person towards others." If being an atheist and believing in total autonomy of self drives you to do charity work more, then by all means be an atheist. If you feel a faith in God is necessary, and if you feel that God's presence in your life compels you to help those in need, then maintain a faith in God. | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
On August 24 2009 14:16 Licmyobelisk wrote: Oh man, sorry about not using carne asada, usually I buy ground beef that's why I posted shredded beef. here are some more tacos for us to crave on: Just check out the different fillings you can put in your taco! where the fuck is Jibba when you need him! You just made me SO hungry. And I have no tacos.  | ||
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Chromyne
Canada561 Posts
On August 24 2009 22:27 Kyo Yuy wrote: This sounds very flowery and idyllic, but my motto is, "Believe in whatever things will influence you to be a good person towards others." If being an atheist and believing in total autonomy of self drives you to do charity work more, then by all means be an atheist. If you feel a faith in God is necessary, and if you feel that God's presence in your life compels you to help those in need, then maintain a faith in God. Your motto seems good and everything, but it also sounds watered down in order to please both sides. I personally believe that 'being a good person toward others' should be on everyone's minds regardless of a belief in a supernatural being or not. (I'm saying this because we're discussing Christianity, which essentially does NOT give works/good-deeds-based salvation. There are other works-based-salvation religions out there.) I think it's more important to discuss which belief is true, because it has eternal consequences (nothingness, hell, heaven, reincarnation, etc.). You can say, 'well that's crazy because it's impossible to know,' and to some degree that's true. So I would encourage you to look deep into the issue,do your research and come a conclusion if you haven't already. Many people have become Christians through this process just as others have denounced their faith. The beauty of life is that you have a choice. This also means that despite all the horrible things Christianity has done in the past and present, that has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. Also keep in mind that these acts were an abuse of belief and not representative of the belief. As Kyo Yuy said, religion has been involved in a lot of charity work, as well as starting many of the universities in North America (they wanted to encourage learning, what do you know?). | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On August 25 2009 02:05 Chromyne wrote: Your motto seems good and everything, but it also sounds watered down in order to please both sides. I personally believe that 'being a good person toward others' should be on everyone's minds regardless of a belief in a supernatural being or not. (I'm saying this because we're discussing Christianity, which essentially does NOT give works/good-deeds-based salvation. There are other works-based-salvation religions out there.) Some Christian denominations, most notably Catholicism, support the notion of salvation based on faith as well as good deeds. I think it's more important to discuss which belief is true, because it has eternal consequences (nothingness, hell, heaven, reincarnation, etc.). You can say, 'well that's crazy because it's impossible to know,' and to some degree that's true. So I would encourage you to look deep into the issue,do your research and come a conclusion if you haven't already. Many people have become Christians through this process just as others have denounced their faith. The beauty of life is that you have a choice. Everybody thinks they know the truth, so I don't think there is much point to that discussion. I'm not here to discuss my theological beliefs nor challenge anyone else's. I am mainly trying to encourage mutual respect and understanding, because most people hold fast to their beliefs with conviction and sometimes arrogance. | ||
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Draconizard
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
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