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This is addressed to the Christians who responded to my last blog post:
If you asked me seven years ago what it means to have a personal relationship with God I probably would have been able to give you an answer. If you walk into a Church today and talk to any pastor, leader or member of the congregation, given that they are charismatic enough, I'm sure they would be more than prepared to give you an answer as well.
And how were we able to answer so enthusiastically? Because we thought that we had found something that no-one else had. And the pride swells up in our hearts because we don't realise that everybody else has already been there and done that. I could never understand back then why some of my Christian friends who were Christians before me stopped being Christians. But weren't you touched by that service? Didn't you feel like God was saying something to you? There I was, a 17 year old boy who had barely been a Christian for a single year, trying to tell someone who had been a Christian ever since they were 7 and had been attending Church since then what it meant to have a personal relationship with God.
An elderly man spends all his days praying, reading the Bible and Christian books and listening to sermons on tape. The old man can hardly walk or hear and takes pills to relieve the pain in his arthritic hip. Since the death of his wife years ago he has lived alone in a state of near-paranoia - anxious about heating bills and lights left on. When I look at him I don't see a joyful saint in communioin with God. I see a tired, lonely old man just sitting around waiting to go to Heaven. But he's the nicest man you'll ever meet. And in much the same way, an old friend of mine used to visit her grandmother in Christchurch. She spent her days listening to audio books because she couldn't read anymore. She didn't believe in God and my friend would never let me go visit her because she knew at that time that I would have just gone to preach. And I would have gone with genuine intentions because I truly believed that if only she knew Jesus Christ her dying days would be fulfilling.
To explain a life of spiritual ecstasy to a fully grown adult who wets their bed and has Alzheimers is like a rich man who has just closed another million dollar deal dancing out of the office building he works in and singing life is good and joyfully shouting God bless you to the homeless man on the concrete pavement.
A song that says a lot about Christianity to me is What Do I Know by Sara Groves. The lyrics go: "I have a friend who just turned 88 and she just shared with me that she's afraid of dying. I sit here years from her experience and try to bring her comfort. I try to bring her comfort but what do I know? She grew up singing about the Glory Land and she would testify of how Jesus changed her life. It was easy to have faith when she was 34 but now her friends are dying and death is at her door. She lost her husband after 60 years and as he slipped away she still had things to say. Death can be so inconvenient because you try to live and love but it comes and interrupts".
The other day I told someone that I would not want to be involved with serving in a Church again. I told him that there had been too many bad things that have happened in my life and that I didn't want to go back to having to deal with that sort of stuff anymore. And he said to me: "Wow, it really sounds like you need some of God's love, peace and joy in your life"! I didn't know how to tell him that it was the expectation of those very things that ultimately led me to not believe in God anymore.
I know that for some of you me writing this seems absurd. You probably think that I don't know what it's like to have a personal relationship with God or that I've fallen away and that I just need to come back to God again. I know this because years ago a friend of mine said these same words to me and I told her she had to just close her eyes at night before she went to bed and ask Jesus back into her heart. I told her: "It has to be real and you can't just do it because I said so". I told her that knowing God and being able to walk with Him everyday was the best thing that could ever happen to her. I knew that because it was the best thing that ever happened to me. This was around 2004 or 2003.
When I look back to all the e-mails I used to write to my friends I notice that I used to always sign them with 'God loves you' or its various variations - such as God loves you heaps or God loves you forever. The other night I woke up in the middle of the night and sent a text message to a friend and decided to enter it in at the end. Then I read over what I wrote and laughed and then went back to sleep.
 
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In a way I envy those people fortunate enough to have convinced themselves that a god exists, because of the happiness it brings. Blissful ignorance.
For me, I know enough science so that I could never be convinced about religion. There's no happiness in knowing that nobody is watching over me and when I die my body will simply decompose and I will cease to exist.
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I see this happening more and more. Faithful God followers coming back to the atheist side that everyone is is born to. I have never believed in God although I have tried once, it didn't happen. I think that anyone intelligent enough to think it through will eventually become an atheist unless they are truly scared of death. I am not scared of death because all I know is that when you die you become unconscious. I dont give a shit what happens then. you can burn me, eat me or whatever you wanna do and i will not feel a thing!
The "bliss" and "perfect happiness" that swells inside people is a natural high that is caused when you slip into the present. When you are in the present nothing else matters and you have a deep deep intelligence that causes you to do the "right" thing. This makes you feel extremely happy because you are not caught up in the past or the future. God is the "present" and few people can live in that state all the time. The most happy people come close.
God is a comfort thing but what it really is has to do with the present.
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Qet, the way you worded your post is offensive.
Using the word 'ignorance'... There are Christians that have studied more Science than you, so please don't write as if you know everything. Respect each others views please.
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On August 24 2009 12:12 Hypnosis wrote:
I see this happening more and more. Faithful God followers coming back to the atheist side that everyone is is born to. I have never believed in God although I have tried once, it didn't happen. I think that anyone intelligent enough to think it through will eventually become an atheist unless they are truly scared of death. I am not scared of death because all I know is that when you die you become unconscious. I dont give a shit what happens then. you can burn me, eat me or whatever you wanna do and i will not feel a thing!
The "bliss" and "perfect happiness" that swells inside people is a natural high that is caused when you slip into the present. When you are in the present nothing else matters and you have a deep deep intelligence that causes you to do the "right" thing. This makes you feel extremely happy because you are not caught up in the past or the future. God is the "present" and few people can live in that state all the time. The most happy people come close.
God is a comfort thing but what it really is has to do with the present.
Yes but how do you know for sure? The presence of the holy spirit is different than the feeling of a 'high' that you get when you feel that you are right.
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On August 24 2009 12:14 Astray wrote:
Qet, the way you worded your post is offensive.
Using the word 'ignorance'... There are Christians that have studied more Science than you, so please don't write as if you know everything. Respect each others views please.
Using the word 'offensive'... There are Christian pastors who have raped little boys, so please don't write as if you know what is horribly offensive. Respect each others judgment please.
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On August 24 2009 12:01 qet wrote:
In a way I envy those people fortunate enough to have convinced themselves that a god exists, because of the happiness it brings. Blissful ignorance.
For me, I know enough science so that I could never be convinced about religion. There's no happiness in knowing that nobody is watching over me and when I die my body will simply decompose and I will cease to exist.
Do you really believe that? Once, a serving one in my church was sharing about how we all need to have a good education. With his experience of gospel preaching, he knew that unbelievers would bring up science as a counter-argument against Christianity, that no one who knew science would believe in a god. You know what? He got his Ph.D in Physics while believing fully in God.
So you can say whatever you want about science and God being mutually exclusive, but it's just not true.
To the OP:
I'm really not sure what part of your post to "approach" first nor how I should...
Could you elaborate your feelings?
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On August 24 2009 12:23 Mooga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 12:14 Astray wrote:
Qet, the way you worded your post is offensive.
Using the word 'ignorance'... There are Christians that have studied more Science than you, so please don't write as if you know everything. Respect each others views please. Using the word 'offensive'... There are Christian pastors who have raped little boys, so please don't write as if you know what is horribly offensive. Respect each others judgment please.
That's quite the generalization. Do you think every person that lives in the south has sex with their cousins? Do you think every African American is a lazy, no good criminal?
Just because it's easy and acceptable to bash on religious figures who suffer for the actions of a small fraction of individuals doesn't mean you can use it to justify your comment.
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On August 24 2009 12:23 Mooga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 12:14 Astray wrote:
Qet, the way you worded your post is offensive.
Using the word 'ignorance'... There are Christians that have studied more Science than you, so please don't write as if you know everything. Respect each others views please. Using the word 'offensive'... There are Christian pastors who have raped little boys, so please don't write as if you know what is horribly offensive. Respect each others judgment please.
What does that got to do with this?
Christian pastors? You mean Catholic priests. Please, there are many types of Christianity.
I never said anything offensive towards Mooga's belief. I just stated that the way he worded it was offensive. Please don't get into something you don't fully understand, because the only thing you will prove is your ignorance.
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I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody.
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Religion threads bring out the bigotry, ignorance, and absolute worst out of all atheists. -_-
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i think TL should make a rule that bans all religion discussions because its fucking pointless, nobody is going to get converted to athiesm or christianity over one thread and all its going to do is cause arguments and beef between people.
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Double Post... Dammit, stupid Bell...
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On August 24 2009 12:43 SanguineToss wrote:
i think TL should make a rule that bans all religion discussions because its fucking pointless, nobody is going to get converted to athiesm or christianity over one thread and all its going to do is cause arguments and beef between people.
You're right, it causes nothing but pointless arguments.
Sorry for my posts on this thread. ^^;;
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What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal.
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On August 24 2009 12:43 SanguineToss wrote:
i think TL should make a rule that bans all religion discussions because its fucking pointless, nobody is going to get converted to athiesm or christianity over one thread and all its going to do is cause arguments and beef between people.
That's not even the point of the thread.
Did you read it at all?
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On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal.
That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs.
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On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs.
Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up.
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On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up.
Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO...
Btw, if you're going to:
1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all.
2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"?
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On August 24 2009 12:01 qet wrote:
In a way I envy those people fortunate enough to have convinced themselves that a god exists, because of the happiness it brings. Blissful ignorance.
For me, I know enough science so that I could never be convinced about religion. There's no happiness in knowing that nobody is watching over me and when I die my body will simply decompose and I will cease to exist.
lol what? how are people happy when they have convinced themselves that they are being watched at every point and time of their life, and they must follow these 10 rules, and if they break any one of these rules they will burn in hell forever? yeah that's very happy alright.
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Hey sup TL?
You guys want to know how to make taco's? I found a very good recipe in regard to the awesome mexican food we all love! TACOS!
So first; you have to get the following ingredients:
2 cups Shredded beef or other filling
12 Corn Tortillas
1/2 cup Corn or canola oil (optional - soft tacos aren't fried)
2 cups Chihuahua or Jack cheese, grated
1 Tomato, diced
1 bunch Green onions, chopped
1/2 head Lettuce or cabbage, shredded
1 cup Salsa Mexicana and/or Salsa Verde
Then here is the instructions on how to cook them:
Fried tacos:In small frying pan, heat oil until a drop of water sizzles immediately when added to it. Fry tortilla lightly on one side. Turn and fry lightly on the other side. Before tortilla becomes crisp, bend it in half, using tongs and a fork to hold it steady and crisp the folded end. Remove from oil and drain on paper towel. Repeat with all 12 tortillas.Heat filling until steaming. Place one to two tablespoons filling mixture inside taco shell. Add shredded lettuce, onions, tomatoes and top with cheese. Repeat for all tacos. Serve immediately. Street tacos (soft tacos):The difference here is that soft tacos are not fried. Heat tortillas in the oven or microwave until hot and pliable. Fold and fill in the same way as fried tacos. If your tacos seem inclined to fall apart, try using two tortillas for double the strength. Serve immediately. NOTE: Soft tacos are served street side in Baja. I include corn tortillas, along with flour tortillas at all fiestas where people build their own tacos and burritos. Quesa-tacos (a Mexican street taco extravaganza):One of my all-time favorite tacos are carne asada quesa-tacos. The only difference between soft street tacos and these are that after you fill the corn tortilla with meat, you add some grated Jack cheese and flip it back onto the grill (or frying pan) until the cheese is melted. Then add the rest of the goodies. They are beyond delicious!
Learn the basics on how to make tacos Mexican recipes!
Wow! as fast as 20 minutes you can make taco all day long! That is incredible!
To inspire you people, here are some taco's that I saw in the internet.
Nyom nyom nyom!
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Eat well everyone!
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On August 24 2009 13:08 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 12:01 qet wrote:
In a way I envy those people fortunate enough to have convinced themselves that a god exists, because of the happiness it brings. Blissful ignorance.
For me, I know enough science so that I could never be convinced about religion. There's no happiness in knowing that nobody is watching over me and when I die my body will simply decompose and I will cease to exist. lol what? how are people happy when they have convinced themselves that they are being watched at every point and time of their life, and they must follow these 10 rules, and if they break any one of these rules they will burn in hell forever? yeah that's very happy alright. and no happiness knowing that nobody is watching over me? lol
That's not true at all either...
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On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"?
Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts.
What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it.
I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good.
I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest.
Whining about a god or gods is always trivial.
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On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial.
If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"?
Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult.
/sarcasm
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This has actually started to happen to me. I came from a non-Christian family, and my friend and his family helped me grow my faith, worked with my mother to help me get to church weekly, to really start to grow as a Christian. It was going great for about a year or two. I still go to church, unless my family has something planned (can't blow off a non-Christian family for church stuff, because it is likely they won't understand). But recently, I have found myself slowly falling back into my original Atheist state. I think I've just settled into church to an extent that I am simply there to hang out with people. I can barely pay attention to sermons anymore (though it could be because I'm not getting much sleep anymore). Occasionally I'll find something that catches my eye, something that really makes my think, during night devotions, but the next morning, I immediately forget it.
What I'm saying is I feel like I'm trying to get back into it, but not with a whole heart, trying to do it by myself instead of relying on God to help me through it. And as a result, I simply can't get over the speed hump. I'm going to keep trying, but I just hope I don't completely lose faith and give up. I pray I won't. It is all about me remembering it at all points of the day, not just when I have to, but developing the lifestyle.
I tried to keep the religious references down to a minimum without diminishing the content, seeing as this is a StarCraft forum.
EDIT: LOL! I scroll up, and see the tacos. I was so confused, and thought that I just posted this in the wrong thread.
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On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm
I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you"
God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever.
PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else.
PPS: You are dumb.
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On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb.
I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc.
On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else.
Lol, the irony.
And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end.
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On August 24 2009 13:47 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb. I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc. Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. Lol, the irony. And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end.
You really are retarded. What I meant was: there was nothing in what I said that anyone, with a decent brain, could translate into calling him stupid.
Thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. Selective moron.
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On August 24 2009 13:58 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:47 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb. I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc. On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. Lol, the irony. And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end. You really are retarded. What I meant was: there was nothing in what I said that anyone, with a decent brain, could translate into calling him stupid. Thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. Selective moron.
Really? Are you going to degenerate into simply insulting me? You're raging harder than I am.
I said that you're PRETTY MUCH saying that. Or are you a "selective moron" as well? That's how I interpreted your post and you can defend all you want, but don't go around thinking your the shit and that you're superior to everyone else. You're making the same mistakes that you're accusing me of you hypocrite.
You need to stop talking out of your ass
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whats with the tacos roflmao..
don't use beef for your tacos man, use fucking carne asada, now THAT'S what you use as meat for a taco.
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You're so enlightened bro. It's as if none of us have ever ever gone through your thought process before.
I mean, please teach us your ways, dear pseudo-intellect.
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On August 24 2009 11:50 BackHo[BLACK] wrote:
it was the expectation of those (bad things that have happened in my life) that ultimately led me to not believe in God anymore.
Unless you lived your life in a bubble, you were well aware that bad things happen to people. But it wasn't until they happened to you that you decided there was no god. This shows a rather solipsistic incapability for empathy.
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who can who involve themselves in the question of god's (non)existence given all the terrible things that happen before said things happen to them. Some of them decide god does not exist. Some continue in their beliefs. Either way I have a lot more respect for people with the curiosity and skepticism to consider the question in a preemptive manner, instead of waiting until they land in shit themselves and decide "hey wow this totally unforseeable thing that has never happened to anyone else before means my previous worldview was all wrong."
That aside, it seems to me that shit happening is evidence for god's non-existence if you proceed from the assumption that god does not exist: a circular argument along the lines of "God doesn't exist, this life is all there is, so when this life is cut capriciously short it's proof there is no loving god". If on the other hand one assumes god does exist and is as described in various places a loving being, and if the human spirit continues after death, the end of this mortal existence is not the all-terrible thing it seems.
This viewpoint as summed up nicely in this quote from Phillip K. Dick's Exegesis:
God manifested himself to me as the infinite void; but it was not the abyss; it was the vault of heaven, with blue sky and wisps of white clouds. He was not some foreign God but the God of my fathers. He was loving and kind and he had personality. He said, 'You suffer a little now in life, it is little compared with the great joys, the bliss that awaits you. Do you think I in my theodicy would allow you to suffer greatly in proportion to your reward?' He made me aware, then, of the bliss that would come; it was infinite and sweet.
This can also be seen as a circular argument: "God exists and is kind and a wonderful heaven awaits, so sudden capricious death doesn't mean he isn't there, our reward is hereafter".
Basically I don't consider the existence of suffering to be a proof for god's existence or non-existence. There are plenty of intelligent people who fall out on either side who have considered the question, and who have, in concert with other influences made their decision. As I said, I respect that process a lot more than the narcissistic "whoops shit just happened to me now I have to question my beliefs" when the shit that happens to other people all the time never was able to prompt the same thoughts.
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On August 24 2009 14:09 ArvickHero wrote:
whats with the tacos roflmao..
don't use beef for your tacos man, use fucking carne asada, now THAT'S what you use as meat for a taco.
Oh man, sorry about not using carne asada, usually I buy ground beef that's why I posted shredded beef.
here are some more tacos for us to crave on:
Just check out the different fillings you can put in your taco!
where the fuck is Jibba when you need him!
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On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody.
because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus.
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On August 24 2009 14:09 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 13:58 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:47 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 12:54 keV. wrote:
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal. That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb. I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc. On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. Lol, the irony. And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end. You really are retarded. What I meant was: there was nothing in what I said that anyone, with a decent brain, could translate into calling him stupid. Thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. Selective moron. Really? Are you going to degenerate into simply insulting me? You're raging harder than I am. I said that you're PRETTY MUCH saying that. Or are you a "selective moron" as well? That's how I interpreted your post and you can defend all you want, but don't go around thinking your the shit and that you're superior to everyone else. You're making the same mistakes that you're accusing me of you hypocrite. You need to stop talking out of your ass
No where in my original post do I hint at the original poster being stupid. That is your misinterpretation. That is what I was trying to point out. Myself having evidence and you not having any.
As far as degenerating the conversation goes, remember that last post you made where you completely ignored me explaining, very specifically, what I said in my original post. You know, the point of this thread. What else can I do when you don't even read what I say, but call you stupid.
You are the one who said "pisses me off" I'm not raging at all, just trying to put a moron in his place; unsuccessfully, I might add.
Though those less intelligent, who refuse to learn from their mistakes, are often envious of my communication skills and ability to think logically. It is understandable.
I am superior to people who do not read or listen. You need to stop accusing me of being wrong, because you don't like the way I type, and get some perspective.
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On August 24 2009 14:22 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:09 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:58 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:47 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:01 BanZu wrote:
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That's an insensitive thing to say. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother saying it. You could say that exact same phrase to soooo many blogs. Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb. I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc. On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. Lol, the irony. And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end. You really are retarded. What I meant was: there was nothing in what I said that anyone, with a decent brain, could translate into calling him stupid. Thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. Selective moron. Really? Are you going to degenerate into simply insulting me? You're raging harder than I am. I said that you're PRETTY MUCH saying that. Or are you a "selective moron" as well? That's how I interpreted your post and you can defend all you want, but don't go around thinking your the shit and that you're superior to everyone else. You're making the same mistakes that you're accusing me of you hypocrite. You need to stop talking out of your ass No where in my original post do I hint at the original poster being stupid. That is your misinterpretation. That is what I was trying to point out. Myself having evidence and you not having any. As far as degenerating the conversation goes, remember that last post you made where you completely ignored me explaining, very specifically, what I said in my original post. You know, the point of this thread. What else can I do when you don't even read what I say, but call you stupid. You are the one who said "pisses me off" I'm not raging at all, just trying to put a moron in his place; unsuccessfully, I might add. Though those less intelligent, who refuse to learn from their mistakes, are often envious of my communication skills and ability to think logically. It is understandable. I am superior to people who do not read or listen. You need to stop accusing me of being wrong, because you don't like the way I type, and get some perspective.
You're in the wrong with your FIRST post in this thread.
Trollish comments are too obvious.
PS: You sound REALLY offended in some of your posts. I had no idea why, that's why I assumed you were probably PMSing hard.
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On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus.
Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion.
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My best advice is that Jaedong will always love you.
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On August 24 2009 14:27 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:09 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:58 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:47 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:17 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 13:03 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 13:02 keV. wrote:
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Who says I have to be sensitive about some crybaby? I'm contributing a suggestion to grow the fuck up. Jeez, you've either had a really bad experience with Christianity or just simply PMSing really hard. I'm not sure why you're so offended haha. Pretty sad IMO... Btw, if you're going to: 1. Be insensitive, don't post. I never said you had to post something "sensitive", just don't post at all. 2. Post a suggestion? More like an insult through blunt words. Sounds like you're whining about someone's blog whereas the OP is "whining" about something that's actually not trivial. Which is more "stupid"? Growing up is normally the right answer to whine posts. What I said never had anything to do with bashing Christianity or even religion, or me PMSing (lol high school insult) about it. I suggested the OP stop tying god in with his life so closely, and over thinking his existence by reminding him he is a mammal. Humans often over think things and forget they still have a life to live. Humans are far too existential for their own good. I can say whatever I want in a blog response and if you actually comprehended what I said rather then just assumed I am a religious bigot, you would realize I wasn't out of line in the slightest. Whining about a god or gods is always trivial. If he believes in God, why in the world would you reply with a post that basically says "stop believing in God, you're so stupid"? Good thing I only just graduated from high school so it's fine if I use PMSing as an insult. /sarcasm I know plenty of people who believe in god, and don't sign every one of their emails with "God loves you" God can be addicting, and all addictions are unhealthy on some level. I never said "stop believing in god" I said in less words, that his addiction was sickening and probably unhealthy. I never called him stupid, ever. PS: Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over. Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. PPS: You are dumb. I never said you called him dumb, I said your post "basically" says etc etc. On August 24 2009 13:22 keV. wrote:Keep starting arguments based on your inability to read with someone else. Lol, the irony. And you're pretty ignorant, saying something like "Now that I know you were born in the 90s, this conversation is over." Your idiocy pisses me off to no end. You really are retarded. What I meant was: there was nothing in what I said that anyone, with a decent brain, could translate into calling him stupid. Thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. Selective moron. Really? Are you going to degenerate into simply insulting me? You're raging harder than I am. I said that you're PRETTY MUCH saying that. Or are you a "selective moron" as well? That's how I interpreted your post and you can defend all you want, but don't go around thinking your the shit and that you're superior to everyone else. You're making the same mistakes that you're accusing me of you hypocrite. You need to stop talking out of your ass No where in my original post do I hint at the original poster being stupid. That is your misinterpretation. That is what I was trying to point out. Myself having evidence and you not having any. As far as degenerating the conversation goes, remember that last post you made where you completely ignored me explaining, very specifically, what I said in my original post. You know, the point of this thread. What else can I do when you don't even read what I say, but call you stupid. You are the one who said "pisses me off" I'm not raging at all, just trying to put a moron in his place; unsuccessfully, I might add. Though those less intelligent, who refuse to learn from their mistakes, are often envious of my communication skills and ability to think logically. It is understandable. I am superior to people who do not read or listen. You need to stop accusing me of being wrong, because you don't like the way I type, and get some perspective. You're in the wrong with your FIRST post in this thread. Trollish comments are too obvious. PS: You sound REALLY offended in some of your posts. I had no idea why, that's why I assumed you were probably PMSing hard.
Like I said, There is nothing wrong with my first post to someone who can comprehend things. The fact that you can't doesn't make it trollish or angry. The OP is more troll-looking then my response.
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On August 24 2009 14:29 Athos wrote:
My best advice is that Jaedong will always love you.
before we all worship "The Dong" has he ever tried eating taco's one hand while playing against a C-? I mean he has all the focus and multitasking but that seems absurd if he actually does this.
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those tacos look fucking good
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On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion.
But why assume that all Christians are like that?
The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly.
And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant.
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On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant.
It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem.
Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same.
For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you."
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On August 24 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you."
Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about.
Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."?
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On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion.
About abortion, I understand in the extreme situation where the girl is raped and can't support the baby to get an abortion. Otherwise isn't it giving those kids who have sex under 18 an easy way out? (Oh, you can have sex all you want and if you get pregnant just abort it). I think some parts of trying to get an abortion should be controlled.
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On August 24 2009 14:16 Licmyobelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:09 ArvickHero wrote:
whats with the tacos roflmao..
don't use beef for your tacos man, use fucking carne asada, now THAT'S what you use as meat for a taco. Oh man, sorry about not using carne asada, usually I buy ground beef that's why I posted shredded beef. here are some more tacos for us to crave on: Just check out the different fillings you can put in your taco! where the fuck is Jibba when you need him!
damn, i am very hungry now
and carne asada? never had it on my tacos, but now i am going to have to try it
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On August 24 2009 15:37 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you." Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about. Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."?
Considering my post doesn't mention whether or not god exists at all. (It doesn't "pretty much" say it either for the 5000th fucking time.) I can't respond to this comment in any way, other then telling you that your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect.
Someone saying "I'll pray for you" is a dismissive method in dealing with atheists who confront christians with questions.
What a stupid post, what was the point of this. It's just whining, who cares if religion is involved.
Stop tying god in with your quality of life. It's sickening. Whether you believe or don't, your quality of life should be unaffected by a belief or non-belief in any entity. Make your life your own mammal.
Tell me where I say god doesn't exist, or where you are reading that I "pretty much" said it. Please.
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On August 24 2009 16:34 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 15:37 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you." Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about. Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."? Considering my post doesn't mention whether or not god exists at all. (It doesn't "pretty much" say it either for the 5000th fucking time.) I can't respond to this comment in any way, other then telling you that your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect. Someone saying "I'll pray for you" is a dismissive method in dealing with atheists who confront christians with questions.
Wait, so Athiests would ask Christians a question and in response they would say, "I'll pray for you?" I think you're talking to the wrong people.
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On August 24 2009 16:39 Chromyne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 16:34 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 15:37 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:35 BanZu wrote:On August 24 2009 14:28 keV. wrote:On August 24 2009 14:21 daz wrote:On August 24 2009 12:39 SanguineToss wrote:
I hate when religion topics come up on tl-net because there are a few people that always make insulting and offending remakrs directly at people and at someone's faith. Why the fuck do you care if someone believe's in god or not, at the guy who said there are christian pastors who have reaped little boys. These people are wrong no doubt about it, but what do u expect them to be 100% perfect? There is no such thing as someone who doesn't sin even according to the bible and these people are no exception. You point out these pastor's faults but how are we not sure your not a douchebag or just a faggot? ( these are just assumptions as you see and they are quite empty and pointless) My point is that, you cant just generalize all christians and say that if they commit a sin that they are complete hypocrites. Christians aren't morally perfect and just cause one christian sins doesn't mean it tarnishes the entire religion. Because George Bush invaded Iraq for no reason at all does that mean all Americans are irrational people?
No offense to anybody. because when you are capable of suspending rational thinking for your belief in god who knows where else you are willing to do it. You might be voting against abortion, or you may be trying to prevent stem cell research, you may try to prevent gay people from having the right of marriage, you might even fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to your chest and hop onto a bus. Most atheists aren't out to make anti-god jokes in front of a church. They are honestly and truly worried that belief in god stunts the growth of humanity. They are particularly aggressive about what daz says, Hot issues, like gay marriage and abortion. But why assume that all Christians are like that? The amount of insults/jokes I get from my friends is no where close to proportionate to how annoying I am (not at all, unless you include orthodox Christian teachings, some of which people find stupid) when discussing religion. If anything, my friends are always the ones to start an argument or debate through some stupid, ignorant comment of theirs. Although that's not always the case, the tolerance for stupid ideas that atheists shove in our face gets short really quickly. And the fact that some simply lump everyone together is really ignorant. It doesn't really matter, the extreme points of view on both sides are the problem. Whatever kind of undeserved crap Christians are getting, atheists are getting the same. For every atheist who tells a christian, "God is fake." There is a christian saying "I'll pray for you." Yea, I understand that some Christians are overzealous. But right now the matter your first post in this thread, which pretty much says that God doesn't exist and trivializing what the OP posted about. Is there something wrong with "I'll pray for you."? Considering my post doesn't mention whether or not god exists at all. (It doesn't "pretty much" say it either for the 5000th fucking time.) I can't respond to this comment in any way, other then telling you that your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect. Someone saying "I'll pray for you" is a dismissive method in dealing with atheists who confront christians with questions. Wait, so Athiests would ask Christians a question and in response they would say, "I'll pray for you?" I think you're talking to the wrong people.
No, perhaps it was a bad example. Either way, often, when someones says "I don't believe in god" and someone responds with "Well, I'll pray for you" You are indirectly (though often deliberately) dismissing their belief and are unwilling to listen. Watch Religulous if you want an example of Christians being dismissive.
It is a metaphor for being unwilling to listen to the atheistic belief. For the record, I'm not an atheist, I just truly don't think it is important what you believe happens after you die.
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Centralized and organized religion is an open sore that festers upon the face of humanity. Forgive me OP if I shed no tears over the fact that you are beginning to see this growth for what it is.
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I was an atheist my whole life. In my senior year of high school, I was in the track team and was heading for state competition. That when I had my car accident which crushed my right leg. I was really mad because I turned into a cripple. I asked myself why did this happened to me.
After graduated from high school, I went on a country trip with my family. We were in Orland, Florida for Disney World. My sister was taking me downtown Disney on my wheelchair. We went pass a black guy that was in a wheelchair. He looked at me and I looked back at him. I asked him why are we crippled and he answered me. We are cripple because its God's will, God had a plan for everyone, he told me. I went home that night and thought to myself. That was when i realized that God exists. I felt him in my heart and soul. He was touching me. Deep inside of me. He gave me hope for life again. Now I pray to him everyday and night. I want him to touch me again and give me pleasure beyond this world. When I die I want to come to his kingdom so I could be with him forever. Under his glory, the deep pleasure that he gives me.
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On August 24 2009 19:44 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
I was an atheist my whole life. In my senior year of high school, I was in the track team and was heading for state competition. That when I had my car accident which crushed my right leg. I was really mad because I turned into a cripple. I asked myself why did this happened to me.
After graduated from high school, I went on a country trip with my family. We were in Orland, Florida for Disney World. My sister was taking me downtown Disney on my wheelchair. We went pass a black guy that was in a wheelchair. He looked at me and I looked back at him. I asked him why are we crippled and he answered me. We are cripple because its God's will, God had a plan for everyone, he told me. I went home that night and thought to myself. That was when i realized that God exists. I felt him in my heart and soul. He was touching me. Deep inside of me. He gave me hope for life again. Now I pray to him everyday and night. I want him to touch me again and give me pleasure beyond this world. When I die I want to come to his kingdom so I could be with him forever. Under his glory, the deep pleasure that he gives me.
You are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Although, you will cease to exist in any form after death, so I guess you will never know.
How can you believe that "god" actually sets out to punish people for no reason? How does anyone reach that conclusion? It's pretty disturbing really. I mean, it seems as though you had a pretty good life, then for no reason, "god" decided to cripple you? I can't help myself but laugh at your conclusion drawn from a comment by a random dude. You actually believe this? Sigh.
On second thought it might be a troll. Can anyone even think this way...it's shocking to me.
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Religion debates are well described my motkle a while back as everyone coming to the table thinking they have a greater portion of common sense than everyone else, that their reason is somehow fundamentally superior.
Please do not bash the OP for his beliefs. The OP was very interesting and as someone who had the same kind of internal conflict I really appreciate his blogs.
To assess the impact of religion on "the face of humanity": start with examples of huge problems caused by religion like the crusades, the inquisition, the indian subcontinent conflict, etc. Then sum up the marginal utility gain of every human who has believed in the past 3500 years, the sense of peace of mind that belief he got from belief in a higher being who had a plan that could not be shaken. Then realize that such a comparison is impossible, and stop talking about it.
To assess the impact of religion on a single life, ask yourself: is there any situation in the entirety of the human experience where somebody's faith is productive? That the marginal (rationally baseless) increase in confidence might help them better perform a daunting task? If it is even conceivable, stop judging other people's lives and beliefs, because you don't know how much their live is or is not filled with these situations.
If you claim to live your life based on hard evidence, ie you don't believe in things not backed by evidence, then certainly you cannot say that in any person's life would be better or worse served by religion; you have no evidence.
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On August 24 2009 20:49 faseman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 19:44 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
I was an atheist my whole life. In my senior year of high school, I was in the track team and was heading for state competition. That when I had my car accident which crushed my right leg. I was really mad because I turned into a cripple. I asked myself why did this happened to me.
After graduated from high school, I went on a country trip with my family. We were in Orland, Florida for Disney World. My sister was taking me downtown Disney on my wheelchair. We went pass a black guy that was in a wheelchair. He looked at me and I looked back at him. I asked him why are we crippled and he answered me. We are cripple because its God's will, God had a plan for everyone, he told me. I went home that night and thought to myself. That was when i realized that God exists. I felt him in my heart and soul. He was touching me. Deep inside of me. He gave me hope for life again. Now I pray to him everyday and night. I want him to touch me again and give me pleasure beyond this world. When I die I want to come to his kingdom so I could be with him forever. Under his glory, the deep pleasure that he gives me. You are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Although, you will cease to exist in any form after death, so I guess you will never know. How can you believe that "god" actually sets out to punish people for no reason? How does anyone reach that conclusion? It's pretty disturbing really. I mean, it seems as though you had a pretty good life, then for no reason, "god" decided to cripple you? I can't help myself but laugh at your conclusion drawn from a comment by a random dude. You actually believe this? Sigh. On second thought it might be a troll. Can anyone even think this way...it's shocking to me.
The post looks more like a taco!
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On August 24 2009 20:57 duckett wrote:
Religion debates are well described my motkle a while back as everyone coming to the table thinking they have a greater portion of common sense than everyone else, that their reason is somehow fundamentally superior.
That sums up religious debates quite well. It's something every side of the religious debate is guilty of, and it's something even I am guilty of. Though I try my best to restrain my desire to assert superiority above others, because the truth of the matter is that everyone knows SOMETHING that everyone else does not.
To assess the impact of religion on a single life, ask yourself: is there any situation in the entirety of the human experience where somebody's faith is productive? That the marginal (rationally baseless) increase in confidence might help them better perform a daunting task? If it is even conceivable, stop judging other people's lives and beliefs, because you don't know how much their live is or is not filled with these situations.
Yes. Religion has caused some of the greatest atrocities in the history of mankind, but it has also brought forth some of the most wonderful things ever. Many religious groups (not just Christians) have started organizations for charity, donation drives, missionary work, and many theists go out to third world countries to do whatever they can to help those who are suffering. Yes, there are many atheists who also do charity work, but the fact remains that many individuals do charity work because they feel "compelled to by a divine force."
I think it is disrespectful to tell people that they NEED to change their beliefs if those beliefs are inciting them to do good work for others. Who are we to judge others and tell them that their belief system is incorrect? Nobody has all the answers - any scientist or religious scholar would tell you that.
I personally believe that science and religion are mutually exclusive, but I feel it is this very exclusivity that shows that these two systems are not in opposition to one another. Science deals with observation of the tangible, natural world, whereas religion deals largely with the intangible, supernatural world. Science bases its beliefs on observations, whereas religion based its beliefs on faith, prayer, and meditation.
I think every human being is entitled to their own beliefs regarding the existence/non-existence of the divine, so long as these beliefs do not influence a person to be judgmental (and in extreme cases, violent) towards others. Unfortunately, there are atheists and theists alike who act in a judgmental manner towards others, boldly asserting a definitive understanding of "the absolute truth of the universe" while accusing the other party of stupidity and ignorance.
This sounds very flowery and idyllic, but my motto is, "Believe in whatever things will influence you to be a good person towards others." If being an atheist and believing in total autonomy of self drives you to do charity work more, then by all means be an atheist. If you feel a faith in God is necessary, and if you feel that God's presence in your life compels you to help those in need, then maintain a faith in God.
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On August 24 2009 14:16 Licmyobelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 14:09 ArvickHero wrote:
whats with the tacos roflmao..
don't use beef for your tacos man, use fucking carne asada, now THAT'S what you use as meat for a taco. Oh man, sorry about not using carne asada, usually I buy ground beef that's why I posted shredded beef. here are some more tacos for us to crave on: Just check out the different fillings you can put in your taco! where the fuck is Jibba when you need him!
You just made me SO hungry. And I have no tacos. 
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On August 24 2009 22:27 Kyo Yuy wrote:
This sounds very flowery and idyllic, but my motto is, "Believe in whatever things will influence you to be a good person towards others." If being an atheist and believing in total autonomy of self drives you to do charity work more, then by all means be an atheist. If you feel a faith in God is necessary, and if you feel that God's presence in your life compels you to help those in need, then maintain a faith in God.
Your motto seems good and everything, but it also sounds watered down in order to please both sides. I personally believe that 'being a good person toward others' should be on everyone's minds regardless of a belief in a supernatural being or not. (I'm saying this because we're discussing Christianity, which essentially does NOT give works/good-deeds-based salvation. There are other works-based-salvation religions out there.)
I think it's more important to discuss which belief is true, because it has eternal consequences (nothingness, hell, heaven, reincarnation, etc.). You can say, 'well that's crazy because it's impossible to know,' and to some degree that's true. So I would encourage you to look deep into the issue,do your research and come a conclusion if you haven't already. Many people have become Christians through this process just as others have denounced their faith. The beauty of life is that you have a choice.
This also means that despite all the horrible things Christianity has done in the past and present, that has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. Also keep in mind that these acts were an abuse of belief and not representative of the belief. As Kyo Yuy said, religion has been involved in a lot of charity work, as well as starting many of the universities in North America (they wanted to encourage learning, what do you know?).
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On August 25 2009 02:05 Chromyne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 22:27 Kyo Yuy wrote:
This sounds very flowery and idyllic, but my motto is, "Believe in whatever things will influence you to be a good person towards others." If being an atheist and believing in total autonomy of self drives you to do charity work more, then by all means be an atheist. If you feel a faith in God is necessary, and if you feel that God's presence in your life compels you to help those in need, then maintain a faith in God. Your motto seems good and everything, but it also sounds watered down in order to please both sides. I personally believe that 'being a good person toward others' should be on everyone's minds regardless of a belief in a supernatural being or not. (I'm saying this because we're discussing Christianity, which essentially does NOT give works/good-deeds-based salvation. There are other works-based-salvation religions out there.)
Some Christian denominations, most notably Catholicism, support the notion of salvation based on faith as well as good deeds.
I think it's more important to discuss which belief is true, because it has eternal consequences (nothingness, hell, heaven, reincarnation, etc.). You can say, 'well that's crazy because it's impossible to know,' and to some degree that's true. So I would encourage you to look deep into the issue,do your research and come a conclusion if you haven't already. Many people have become Christians through this process just as others have denounced their faith. The beauty of life is that you have a choice. Everybody thinks they know the truth, so I don't think there is much point to that discussion. I'm not here to discuss my theological beliefs nor challenge anyone else's. I am mainly trying to encourage mutual respect and understanding, because most people hold fast to their beliefs with conviction and sometimes arrogance.
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My issue isn't so much with the beliefs but rather with the institutions that have been built up around them. Spirituality is fine; religion is not.
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I dont see any point in investing my precious time on earth in an infinite afterlife that could be good or bad depending on my actions or even my religion.
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On August 25 2009 04:45 gumbum8 wrote:
I dont see any point in investing my precious time on earth in an infinite afterlife that could be good or bad depending on my actions or even my religion.
That might be true, but surely you can understand the reasoning behind spending some of your precious free time to create some delicious taco soup.
Taco Soup Recipe:
2 pounds ground beef
1 large onion, chopped
1 can pinto beans
1 can black beans
1 can kidney beans
1 can whole kernel corn, drained
1 can diced tomatoes 1 can Rotel tomatoes
1 pkg. taco seasoning mix -(opt.)
2 1/2 cups water or more,
To make soup broth Brown ground beef and onions in a large pan, drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients and simmer for an hour or so. When ready, serve in big soup bowls and serve with taco fixings such as: cheese, sour cream, and scoops.
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