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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 12 2019 17:48 GMT
#4261
On February 13 2019 02:00 travis wrote:
Well, I am talking about labeling, not about clarification of a specific view.

Is this really about tribal identification instead? I can’t really see your point. Classification is only natural, like Plansix’s (fictional in my view) “group of conservatives that take a lot of joy in pissing off left leaning posters and making bad faith arguments.” Can you point to a post for evidence?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 12 2019 17:55 GMT
#4262
Sure, tribal identification, whatever you want to call it. The point is generalizing people such that nuance is lost and differences are artificially enlarged. It's not as bad here as say, reddit, but it's still bad.

An example would be exactly what you are talking about in your post. There is nothing productive about that statement, and it's surely not quite accurate.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12262 Posts
February 12 2019 17:55 GMT
#4263
On February 13 2019 02:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2019 02:01 Plansix wrote:
The folks who are labeled conservatives self identify as conservatives. That is less true for the left leaning posters, who rarely self identify with a prescribed policital view.



Monty Python disagrees with this.
Also holy shit have you ever tried hanging around with anarchist punk types? If I have to hear one more variation of communo-anarcho-socialism or some other contradictory bullshit I'm going to cry.


You made up this one to mock the real ones and even then it still isn't contradictory...
No will to live, no wish to die
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
February 12 2019 18:38 GMT
#4264
I feel like people are getting banned alot in the pol thread where warnings would probably do.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
February 12 2019 19:04 GMT
#4265
On February 13 2019 03:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
I feel like people are getting banned alot in the pol thread where warnings would probably do.


The fact that this thread is very harshly judged is there right in the header, and the reason why it has its own ban list which is not site wide (unless you do a site wide offense).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 12 2019 19:07 GMT
#4266
A 2 day ban isn’t that bad and it’s not like he didn’t know that response was totally unacceptable.

Also Ben Shapiro is trash.

+ Show Spoiler +






User was warned for this post.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-12 19:47:06
February 12 2019 19:45 GMT
#4267
Wow, that warning, time to take it to US politics feedback feedback thread. KadaverBB confused about what thread this is again.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 12 2019 19:55 GMT
#4268
No need, I deserved it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 12 2019 20:20 GMT
#4269
And there I was, ready to grab pitchforks up on your behalf. I had written 100 lines on the social economic political cultural norms and values of the TL moderator society.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 13 2019 18:34 GMT
#4270
for the record i was arguing in good faith and i didn’t realize iamthedave was arguing in bad faith until near the end. i even like iamthedave and was looking forward to his responses.

as to “shitting up the thread” and “low content posting” i honestly dont get the big deal. shit is kind of relative, and i understand that. personally i find posts like gorsameth’s list of ‘why conservatives are idiots’ to be shit. and i generally like reading stuff gorsameth posts. short posts are at least easy to read and/or skip. its the big posts of shit that are most annoying
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 13 2019 21:51 GMT
#4271
You aren't fooling anybody. If that was good faith, then I'll hate to see how obfuscate your bad faith is.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 13 2019 22:22 GMT
#4272
well to fool anybody id have to be trying to fool somebody right?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 13 2019 22:46 GMT
#4273
Thanks for clarify that you were not acting in good faith.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 22:56:32
February 13 2019 22:55 GMT
#4274
i was, and at least concerning you, you know what they say: cant fool a fool
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 13 2019 23:25 GMT
#4275
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 13 2019 23:52 GMT
#4276
cmon guys, play nice please ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 17:09:52
February 15 2019 16:19 GMT
#4277
On February 14 2019 03:34 IgnE wrote:
for the record i was arguing in good faith and i didn’t realize iamthedave was arguing in bad faith until near the end. i even like iamthedave and was looking forward to his responses.

as to “shitting up the thread” and “low content posting” i honestly dont get the big deal. shit is kind of relative, and i understand that. personally i find posts like gorsameth’s list of ‘why conservatives are idiots’ to be shit. and i generally like reading stuff gorsameth posts. short posts are at least easy to read and/or skip. its the big posts of shit that are most annoying


Ok, I see some misapprehensions are being spread about me and feel I ought to defend myself.

I wasn't arguing in bad faith and was perfectly willing to have a discussion. In addition I happen to like you too, but on that instance I felt you were being unnecessarily obtuse when simply stating what you felt was off would have been fine. I've been involved in far, far too many discussions on this site where someone uses the exact formulations you did to declare 'no, I wasn't saying that'.

So if I was arguing for anything it was to get you to clearly state either what you thought I was saying or what your own initial objections were, that you felt I'd misunderstood. I don't consider that bad faith, and if you'd done so I would have happily continued in the vein of normal posting.

I appreciate your point about asking rhetorical questions but the questions themselves seemed, to me, to be bordering on irrelevant to the point you were replying to.

Nonetheless, I certainly never intended to give the impression of bad faith and am sorry you got that impression.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 15 2019 18:06 GMT
#4278
On February 07 2019 14:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 12:02 Seeker wrote:
On February 07 2019 11:42 Sermokala wrote:
In light of the closeing of The politics blog IS there going to be/is there a discussion on allowing danglers and xdaunt back into the general thread?

Both Danglars and xDaunt have been unbanned from the USPMT.

I stopped checking after three months of subjective “temp ban”

Did you stop updating the “users currently banned” section for some reason?

Aside: I think there’s value in a thread with regular jeering at Trump/supporters without tolerance for the reverse done in like tone and manner. He’s a polarizing figure. He broke mainstream journalist publications and some parts of political discourse (fuck, even his hat with successful presidential slogan is something of a dick move to some people). Some of the angry reaction on an internet website is understandable.

It’s natural and productive to have center right and center left and left talk, while all accepting a broad worldview of Trump with minimal exceptions. That way you can get to deeper thought on the opposition with conflict, but always having a backstop in wide agreement about how stupid the latest Trump thing is. I think the “as is” thread is good for that purpose.

Seeker, you still have not posted on the “users currently banned” section of the threadban automated list. It conflicts with who you say have been unbanned.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 18:18:19
February 15 2019 18:15 GMT
#4279
So, from a reader's perspective, the one-post PBU or random troll instigator accounts tend to be disruptive in that it leads the conversation pretty silly places, and tend to wreck otherwise interesting topics. I'd be surprised if this wasn't suggested before, but not having read through this entire feedback thread - have you considered adding a 10-post (or something) post minimum to post in that specific thread, or requiring the account to be at least a month old?
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 18:18:09
February 15 2019 18:17 GMT
#4280
On February 16 2019 03:15 plated.rawr wrote:
So, from a reader's perspective, the one-post PBU or random troll instigator accounts tend to be disruptive in that it leads the conversation pretty silly places. I'd be surprised if this wasn't suggested before, but not having read through this entire feedback thread - have you considered adding a 10-post (or something) post minimum to post in that specific thread, or requiring the account to be at least a month old?

tanks (or inferior race equivalents) or above only. i like it.

just noticed i’m using a protoss icon. whatever, i stand by it.
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