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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 08 2018 20:09 GMT
#2341
On April 09 2018 03:53 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 22:47 zlefin wrote:
what about things that don't "need" to be addressed, but it would be helpful if it were done so, and they've already been listed in thread and were not addressed at the time (and hence might simply have been intentionally ignored)?

Post it so I can see what you're talking about.

the same thing I asked last page, and many times before, with no answer ever provided: at what point does advocating for ethnic cleansing become actionable.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
April 08 2018 20:21 GMT
#2342
On April 09 2018 05:09 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:53 Seeker wrote:
On April 08 2018 22:47 zlefin wrote:
what about things that don't "need" to be addressed, but it would be helpful if it were done so, and they've already been listed in thread and were not addressed at the time (and hence might simply have been intentionally ignored)?

Post it so I can see what you're talking about.

the same thing I asked last page, and many times before, with no answer ever provided: at what point does advocating for ethnic cleansing become actionable.

Advocating for ethnic cleansing should never have been allowed to be discussed on TL. We don't condone people posting about how one race is superior to others. If posts like that in the past went by with no actions then that means that we were negligent in our moderation duties. But of course, that is precisely why we are working harder than ever before to be on top of our moderation work for threads in "General".
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
April 08 2018 20:28 GMT
#2343
On April 09 2018 05:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 05:09 zlefin wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:53 Seeker wrote:
On April 08 2018 22:47 zlefin wrote:
what about things that don't "need" to be addressed, but it would be helpful if it were done so, and they've already been listed in thread and were not addressed at the time (and hence might simply have been intentionally ignored)?

Post it so I can see what you're talking about.

the same thing I asked last page, and many times before, with no answer ever provided: at what point does advocating for ethnic cleansing become actionable.

Advocating for ethnic cleansing should never have been allowed to be discussed on TL. We don't condone people posting about how one race is superior to others. If posts like that in the past went by with no actions then that means that we were negligent in our moderation duties. But of course, that is precisely why we are working harder than ever before to be on top of our moderation work for threads in "General".


They didn't sneak by, they actioned me for calling it out.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 20:32:03
April 08 2018 20:29 GMT
#2344
On April 09 2018 05:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 05:09 zlefin wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:53 Seeker wrote:
On April 08 2018 22:47 zlefin wrote:
what about things that don't "need" to be addressed, but it would be helpful if it were done so, and they've already been listed in thread and were not addressed at the time (and hence might simply have been intentionally ignored)?

Post it so I can see what you're talking about.

the same thing I asked last page, and many times before, with no answer ever provided: at what point does advocating for ethnic cleansing become actionable.

Advocating for ethnic cleansing should never have been allowed to be discussed on TL. We don't condone people posting about how one race is superior to others. If posts like that in the past went by with no actions then that means that we were negligent in our moderation duties. But of course, that is precisely why we are working harder than ever before to be on top of our moderation work for threads in "General".

ok, that's clear then. and for reference: they did go by in the past, with no mod action; within the past year I think, and it was reported, and noted in this very thread. nice to finally (after months) get a mod to actually answer on the point.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 09 2018 11:56 GMT
#2345
how does threadban work? (on a more technical level)
I ask because the thread currently lists sk.testie as threadbanned, and i'm pretty sure it's been like that for awhile; and he posted in the thread a couple hours ago.
I thought a threadban prevented the user from posting in the thread at all (i.e. the forum code simply wouldn't let them make a post in the thread at all, as i've seen other forums that have that capability).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
April 09 2018 11:57 GMT
#2346
On April 09 2018 20:56 zlefin wrote:
how does threadban work? (on a more technical level)
I ask because the thread currently lists sk.testie as threadbanned, and i'm pretty sure it's been like that for awhile; and he posted in the thread a couple hours ago.
I thought a threadban prevented the user from posting in the thread at all (i.e. the forum code simply wouldn't let them make a post in the thread at all, as i've seen other forums that have that capability).

We locked the old thread and made a new one. Testie was banned from the old thread but we forgot to ban him from the new thread. He is banned again now.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 09 2018 12:17 GMT
#2347
On April 09 2018 20:57 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 20:56 zlefin wrote:
how does threadban work? (on a more technical level)
I ask because the thread currently lists sk.testie as threadbanned, and i'm pretty sure it's been like that for awhile; and he posted in the thread a couple hours ago.
I thought a threadban prevented the user from posting in the thread at all (i.e. the forum code simply wouldn't let them make a post in the thread at all, as i've seen other forums that have that capability).

We locked the old thread and made a new one. Testie was banned from the old thread but we forgot to ban him from the new thread. He is banned again now.

is it ok to crosspost this note to main thread just so people in thread aren't confused by the situation? I suspect many won't bother to come over to this thread to read up on it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-09 12:32:54
April 09 2018 12:30 GMT
#2348
Ironically most of his post was decent if you ignore the 2 paragraphs of "lefty hideout" and what appears to be a strange appeal to the mods which was an interesting insight to the mind of one who beleives he is appealing to such.

In a way he is right though, there does seem to be less of a "right view" posting since Danglars was banned, though the quality of posting and more fresh voices have gone up.

And by "right view" I mean Trump cheerleading.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2018 13:08 GMT
#2349
Some of the worst offenders in the thread always had a grain of truth to their posts. But that grain of truth was always a cover their passive aggressive bullshit about lefties and echo chambers. And at worst dog whistle racism. Folks knew how to dodge a ban.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 09 2018 13:34 GMT
#2350
Well, it is SK.Testie. In light of that he is banned from the US pol thread, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't warned unofficially numerous times to stop chanting stormfront slogans, amongst other more reprehensible behaviours, so his appeal for clememency and claim to reformed behaviour is hardly tenable.

It's more of a case that TL, in all of its wisdom has decided that it is worth it to keep him around in TL despite all that. Still, it would be nice if he didn't occassionally dip into the other Pol threads.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
April 09 2018 13:47 GMT
#2351
On April 09 2018 22:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Well, it is SK.Testie. In light of that he is banned from the US pol thread, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't warned unofficially numerous times to stop chanting stormfront slogans, amongst other more reprehensible behaviours, so his appeal for clememency and claim to reformed behaviour is hardly tenable.

It's more of a case that TL, in all of its wisdom has decided that it is worth it to keep him around in TL despite all that. Still, it would be nice if he didn't occassionally dip into the other Pol threads.

If he jumps into other political threads and stirs shit in there, then we ban him from those threads too. Simple as that.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-09 14:29:46
April 09 2018 14:29 GMT
#2352
Good to hear so!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6293 Posts
April 09 2018 16:32 GMT
#2353
Is there a way the thread ban can be revoked? He had a point when he said there should be a way to reintegrate into the thread.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 09 2018 16:51 GMT
#2354
I think anyone who is banned from the thread should take that up with the mods, rather than through the court of public opinion. Second chances should come from a clear acknowledgment of what got them banned in the first place. That way there is no confusion if they get banned a second time for getting back on their bullshit.

But the people should have the option to appeal for a second chance.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
April 09 2018 17:11 GMT
#2355
My PM to him:
If you wish to be unbanned, you need to post a thread under Website Feedback explaining your position and convince the moderation staff that you deserve another chance. We will not just unban you because a year has passed since your last ban.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-10 22:47:19
April 10 2018 22:46 GMT
#2356
As Testie's friend, I would like to see him posting again. I wasn't around for the whole situation that happened with him, but anybody calling him racist is far fetched. I'm not white, and him and I go way back, I just can't see it.
Life?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-11 20:00:41
April 11 2018 19:53 GMT
#2357
He wrote that black people are genetically predisposed to criminality. Several times.






That's probably the nicer things he has written. I actually have no idea what he was banned from the US pol thread for, but I guess it is on the same level as that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 11 2018 20:00 GMT
#2358
Stuff like that. It’s not full blown stormfront, but a lot of stuff that made you wonder. And that was his main output in the thread.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
April 12 2018 02:24 GMT
#2359
Testie wasn't banned for one specific post or for a couple of specific posts. He was banned because he continued to post in a manner that was causing everyone to get riled up when they responded to him. And despite our repeated warnings that the way he was posting was unacceptable and that he needed to back off and try to see things from other perspectives, he never did that.

Finally, the mod team realized that he was never going to change and that he would continue to spread negative influence all over TL if we didn't shut him down. So, unfortunately, we had to drop the hammer.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 12:17:09
April 12 2018 12:16 GMT
#2360
I think a lot of the reasons we have what might be conceived as a "lefty echo chamber" right now is due to this being one of the few times in history where one side is just blatantly wrong (Ok, ok. I understand there's always two sides in politics, but I don't think this is a wholly unreasonable view to hold atm). Most people who would normally consider themselves "right" does not support what the current right side is doing in the US.

And sure, since this is a gaming forum with a younger audience (Younger people tend to lean more left than older), there is always going to be a bit of left leaning here. But once the current administration leaves office (And after whatever reform which is inevitably going to happen afterwards), it should even out a little bit once the usual right siders has a reasonable party to support again.
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