On November 03 2010 07:20 domovoi wrote: [quote] Depends. It's better to be in the bottom 20% of Sweden than the bottom 20% of the US, but anything higher than that, it's better to be in the US.
I do not care about who has more. I care the most about who doesn't have anything.
Refer to my sig
Wauw. The choice between socialism and capitalism isn't a binary one, but rather a continuum. And damn it, I told myself I wouldn't derail this thread any further, but there I go. Also my political science book would like a word with all of you guys spewing definitions around. Unrestrained socialism doesn't work. Unrestrained capitalism doesn't work. Seems pretty clear that the best choice is to be somewhere in between.
Back on topic, if Russ Feingold doesn't get reelected I shall abandon all hope for these United States for the next 2 years.
Feingold is almost definitely out, unfortunately. He shall be remembered for his No vote on the Patriot Act.
Actually, he's being remembered for his "yes" votes on the stimulus bill and Obamacare, which is why he's being sent home.
Stimulus bills and Obamacare, such evil has never been seen!
Republicans have never done such things, I'd imagine. They only signed into law the largest entitlement increase in decades along with budget killing tax cuts on purpose (it was indeed a stimulative attempt with a sunset clause, let us not forget):
Vote out Feingold, vote in "small government" Republicans!
Life is good comedy.
Bush might be a member of the republican party, but he sure as hell doesn't understand (much less represent) the concept of fiscal conservatism. His liberal expenses was why he was so universally detested among republicans and democrats alike.
QFT
I see a lot of people tossing around strange notions about what fiscal conservatism means. It does not mean deregulation to the point of anarcho-capitalism and it does not mean casually throwing around hundreds of billions of dollars just because you can.
Bill Clinton practiced fiscal conservatism. George Bush Jr. practiced idiocy. Judging all conservatives by the standards of Bush Jr. -- as so many people on this forum do -- is ludicrous.
On November 03 2010 13:12 holdthephone wrote: so republicans are doing better than expected?
Depends on your citations... they could be picking up anywhere between 40-70 seats. They WILL take the house though and gain some ground in the senate.
Nice video. Pretty much sums it up. Obama, herald of change, is unfortunately just more of the same old.
anyone know where i can see the results so far for lieutenant gov of california? it doesn't list it on cnn (that i can see) and http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/lieutenant-governor/ has its servers being raped by everyone f5ing
On November 03 2010 13:24 Nitrogen wrote: anyone know where i can see the results so far for lieutenant gov of california? it doesn't list it on cnn (that i can see) and http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/lieutenant-governor/ has its servers being raped by everyone f5ing
I got through on that site, 16% reporting.
Gavin Newsom (Dem) 959,637 46.8% Abel Maldonado (Rep) 887,000 43.3% Jim King (AI) 39,942 2.0% James "Jimi" Castillo (Grn) 24,332 1.1% Pamela J. Brown (Lib) 115,707 5.7% C.T. Weber (P&F) 24,017 1.1%
On November 03 2010 10:58 LuckyFool wrote: It's gonna be a good night for Republican's that's for sure.
Ppl getting fed up with Dems lately I do believe. Funny how the scales just tilt back and forth over the years...
They are getting "fed" up with the democrats, but only because they can't see past what's happening to themselves - if congressional legislature does not directly affect them, they feel like nothing has changed in the past 2 years => democrats' fault.
On November 03 2010 13:36 Zealotdriver wrote: I just looked at the national results and shit bricks. It looks like the GOP is gaining 6 out of 100 seats in the senate. Fuck.
They needed 10 seats to gain a majority. Even tying would made Biden the 51st vote. A few gains in the senate were inevitable.
On November 03 2010 13:36 Zealotdriver wrote: I just looked at the national results and shit bricks. It looks like the GOP is gaining 6 out of 100 seats in the senate. Fuck.
They needed 10 seats to gain a majority. Even tying would made Biden the 51st vote. A few gains in the senate were inevitable.
;_; poor Sharron
Every senate vote is crucial because we have right-leaning Democrats who pull all kinds of shit if they know the vote is close, like on clusterfuck of the healthcare reform bill.
On November 03 2010 13:36 Zealotdriver wrote: I just looked at the national results and shit bricks. It looks like the GOP is gaining 6 out of 100 seats in the senate. Fuck.
They needed 10 seats to gain a majority. Even tying would made Biden the 51st vote. A few gains in the senate were inevitable.
;_; poor Sharron
Every senate vote is crucial because we have right-leaning Democrats who pull all kinds of shit if they know the vote is close, like on clusterfuck of the healthcare reform bill.
Well, can't argue with that. It's a shame representatives have been reduced to breadwinners for the state instead of just voting for what they believe in.
On November 03 2010 11:33 HeadhunteR wrote: dumb Americans how can you expect one guy to solve problems in 2 years when you just had someone fucking up the country in debt and excessive expenses in warfare in 8 years.Voting for republicans wont help at all good luck to you all.
We don't expect him to fix everything in 2 years. However, we do expect him not to colossally fuck up our country with the kind of absolute shit that he signed over the past two years (stimulus package and Obamacare).
You mean, the stuff he campaigned on and was voted in to do?
lol, What? He had a clear health care plan when he campaigned for election? Or perhaps he already told everyone how much money he expected to spend?
Didn't know those where talking points before.....
How much have federal taxes gone up under Obama? Do you happen to know the number?
Well in 60 days we will see how much taxes go up. That said, it still is a unknown how much healthcare would increase things. Anyways that wasn't the point...
After seeing a few interviews with Bachmann and Cantor it is becoming obvious that they really have no plans. 'Well the people have spoken and they want lower taxes.' Well yeah, but how do you pay for it? 'Well we will cut spending!' Okay but where will you cut it? 'Obama is teh sux!' /facepalm
Seriously, what are the Repub plans of getting us out of this recession? If they say tax cuts to the top 3% then they are out of touch with the way business is being conducted now. The money saved with those tax cuts will not go into the US economy, it will be invested into China, India and other emerging markets. Republicans don't really believe in improving infrastructure, so will not be able to get jobs from that. Alright! What about small businesses and getting them hiring again!? Sure, but how will they do that?
Tonight was a win for big business, not the people and I want to shoot my TV every time they say it is a win for the people.
On November 03 2010 11:33 HeadhunteR wrote: dumb Americans how can you expect one guy to solve problems in 2 years when you just had someone fucking up the country in debt and excessive expenses in warfare in 8 years.Voting for republicans wont help at all good luck to you all.
We don't expect him to fix everything in 2 years. However, we do expect him not to colossally fuck up our country with the kind of absolute shit that he signed over the past two years (stimulus package and Obamacare).
You mean, the stuff he campaigned on and was voted in to do?
lol, What? He had a clear health care plan when he campaigned for election? Or perhaps he already told everyone how much money he expected to spend?
Didn't know those where talking points before.....
How much have federal taxes gone up under Obama? Do you happen to know the number?
Well in 60 days we will see how much taxes go up. That said, it still is a unknown how much healthcare would increase things. Anyways that wasn't the point...
AP is now projecting Carly Fiorina barely beating Barbara Boxer. 47.2% to 47.1% Edit: percentages just flipped, Barbara's back in the lead.
On November 03 2010 14:05 TheAldo wrote: After seeing a few interviews with Bachmann and Cantor it is becoming obvious that they really have no plans. 'Well the people have spoken and they want lower taxes.' Well yeah, but how do you pay for it? 'Well we will cut spending!' Okay but where will you cut it? 'Obama is teh sux!' /facepalm
Seriously, what are the Repub plans of getting us out of this recession? If they say tax cuts to the top 3% then they are out of touch with the way business is being conducted now. The money saved with those tax cuts will not go into the US economy, it will be invested into China, India and other emerging markets. Republicans don't really believe in improving infrastructure, so will not be able to get jobs from that. Alright! What about small businesses and getting them hiring again!? Sure, but how will they do that?
Tonight was a win for big business, not the people and I want to shoot my TV every time they say it is a win for the people.
On November 03 2010 11:33 HeadhunteR wrote: dumb Americans how can you expect one guy to solve problems in 2 years when you just had someone fucking up the country in debt and excessive expenses in warfare in 8 years.Voting for republicans wont help at all good luck to you all.
We don't expect him to fix everything in 2 years. However, we do expect him not to colossally fuck up our country with the kind of absolute shit that he signed over the past two years (stimulus package and Obamacare).
You mean, the stuff he campaigned on and was voted in to do?
lol, What? He had a clear health care plan when he campaigned for election? Or perhaps he already told everyone how much money he expected to spend?
Didn't know those where talking points before.....
How much have federal taxes gone up under Obama? Do you happen to know the number?
Well in 60 days we will see how much taxes go up. That said, it still is a unknown how much healthcare would increase things. Anyways that wasn't the point...
On November 03 2010 11:33 HeadhunteR wrote: dumb Americans how can you expect one guy to solve problems in 2 years when you just had someone fucking up the country in debt and excessive expenses in warfare in 8 years.Voting for republicans wont help at all good luck to you all.
We don't expect him to fix everything in 2 years. However, we do expect him not to colossally fuck up our country with the kind of absolute shit that he signed over the past two years (stimulus package and Obamacare).
You mean, the stuff he campaigned on and was voted in to do?
lol, What? He had a clear health care plan when he campaigned for election? Or perhaps he already told everyone how much money he expected to spend?
Didn't know those where talking points before.....
How much have federal taxes gone up under Obama? Do you happen to know the number?
Well in 60 days we will see how much taxes go up. That said, it still is a unknown how much healthcare would increase things. Anyways that wasn't the point...