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Great PR JWD, thank you for taking your time to maintain high quality and ignoring the whiny 13 year olds complaining about their PR not being on time.
Couldn't agree more about the Flash placement. He has been protected against his mediocre results by fanboism for too long.
I think the Power Rank should start an honorable mention section. Not the same as CBNC, more like, simply highlighted clutch and baller performances, like PerfectMan spectacular debut on the big scene.
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On August 04 2009 00:46 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 00:41 drug_vict1m wrote: why oh why didnt calm end up above bisu? Bisu's lack of games (not his fault, just scheduling) means we're left to speculate about his rightful position in this rank. And I think you'd have a very tough time convincing anyone that Calm is now a better player than "hypothetical Bisu", considering recent losses to players against which Bisu would undoubtedly be the favorite (JangBi, great, HiyA).
The same kind of goes for Flash, though. He and Bisu are both in one league (It is fair to say MSL is much higher priority than GOM. A strong tell is that Iris is only facing Bisu in the Quarters, but is facing Flash in the finals, so making Gom Finals seems akin to coming close to MSL semis), and both had no PL games to play in spite of or because of their monstrous performances in PL anyhow.
I actually don't entirely disagree with Flash dropping off, but since last rank specifically, he only lost to Kwanro once, right? So that'd put him 6-1 against zergs since(1-1 with Kwanro, 3-0 with July, beating TheZerg, and the Bunker Rush on Effort), and still the strongest TvT around, in a finals (of, yes, a less prestigious tournaments), and hasn't shown a weakness to protoss since your congratulations of his games against Shuttle.
He's been plagued by a lack of games, but has won the vast majority of them and has done a bit to work past his "can't beat aggressive zergs" anymore by beating the most aggressive zerg of all time. I think if he had proleague or anything else to show his playing (which is usually what keeps him in middle low ranks when he drops Starleagues) he'd definitely be on that list, but isn't in spite of the #2 and #3(specifically #3).
Hypothetical Flash is pretty good! I think his TvZ is fine, considering the 6-1 since his PR being all zergs. Atleast his non-wannabe-fantasy TvZ. It's kind of hard to fault him since the last PR, but I'm content with him being dropped due to other players stepping up, as opposed to thinking he's just bad.
fun rank anyhow. It's cool to see some new and old faces in Type-B, Iris and Arnc. Kind of sad that the next rank probably won't have Flash either since I doubt that he's gonna have an interesting month. That is, unless Iris shows up to play a stellar game to give even more props to Flash's 70% tvt.
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On August 04 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 01:07 ZBiR wrote: Not like I'm demanding a super high place for him, I just want to hear what do you think about him (and he's not in either CBNC nor NCANC). Stork was totally in that game against Effort until that poor decision...what a pity. A win there would have completely changed this rank...imagine if Effort didn't have to worry about PL anymore, I wonder if he would have played better against Calm?
Stork was behind on upgrades throughout the game and was at 3 gas vs 4 for a very long time. I don't think breaking the sunkenline was such a big setback - yeah he lost a couple of zealots under the darkswarm but the outcome would have been the same even if effort was the aggressor. He basically made it look close by playing crackling defiler only to save gas and then running him over with ultras.
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You should have waited until tomorrow tbh. Because if bisu looses tomorrow 2 games. Bisu's 3rd spot will be too good place to put him. And you could place Iris monster play lately much better. Anyhow, good PR.
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There is not a single T1 player who performed as well in the month of July as Effort. It is insane to put both Bisu and Fantasy above him. Shit, I don't see how Type-b is behind them, let alone true monsters like Yarnc and Calm. This PR is a case of T1 fanboyism and PL hype clouding the reality of the past month's games.
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Yes JWD has a bit of a T1 bias but I don't think it's off that Fantasy and Bisu are in the top 5, and while Calm and Effort did well, they both specifically botched the games for their respective teams to lose their chance at PL finals -- the spot Bisu and Fantasy already have because they were so good anyhow. It's a stretch and I'm sure the rose tint was a bit involved, but it's not a bad ranking. Hell every predictive rank was 1: Jaedong 2: Bisu/Fantasy 3: Bisu/Fantasy, so it wasn't unexpected.
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On August 04 2009 03:36 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:On August 04 2009 01:07 ZBiR wrote: Not like I'm demanding a super high place for him, I just want to hear what do you think about him (and he's not in either CBNC nor NCANC). Stork was totally in that game against Effort until that poor decision...what a pity. A win there would have completely changed this rank...imagine if Effort didn't have to worry about PL anymore, I wonder if he would have played better against Calm? Stork was behind on upgrades throughout the game and was at 3 gas vs 4 for a very long time. I don't think breaking the sunkenline was such a big setback - yeah he lost a couple of zealots under the darkswarm but the outcome would have been the same even if effort was the aggressor. He basically made it look close by playing crackling defiler only to save gas and then running him over with ultras.
Stork's big setback was that the map prevent him from playing normal PvZ. He was pretty much dead in the water when Effort was effectively keeping his corsair number down. Nothing else really mattered, because Stork didn't have the gas to make the units that can match against a zerg army.
Personally I think Stork is back in form. I have full confidence he'll be a constant part of the PR once fall comes and maps stop being PvZ graveyards.
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Yes, yes, looks like a very defensible PR here. I would've loved to see the young prince who likes queens on that podium of ten, but alas, it was not to be. I immediately faved that set... I'm still laughing.
JD is just totally imba right now. Let's see if he can indeed set a record no one will ever surpass. (Maybe with the advent of SC2, a late record set for BW will inevitably never ever be surpassed?) August will fucking rock!
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JWD's slight T1 bias is the only thing tweaks these ranks for the most part. This was a nice rank.
I will say this though - Flash makes RO16 of every league virtually every time (with the only one exception being Yarnc'd out of MSL in 2008).
No player has consistently made leagues as well as Flash over the past 18 months, not even JD and Bisu (especially if BackHo hadn't hurt his back...) who have both managed to miss leagues entirely (JD got BackHo'd out of an OSL, Bisu got BackHo'd into an OSL) as well as miss RO16 in MSL, so to say that he doesn't put up any results is simply wrong. Oh yeah, he also tied for most PL wins with JD.
Still, he definitely hasn't put up results that count, and he doesn't deserve to be on this rank. But people who are saying "why does Flash's reputation protect him" need to get off the haterade, because Flash wins an enormous number of games month in and month out. That's why he's consistently on the rank, and after he beats Iris in GOM (probably 3-1 or something) he deserves to be back.
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On August 04 2009 03:24 3clipse wrote:Oh man, every time I look over and see the PR bar with Calm at #4 I'm going to get tingly all over. Nice rank. My only real gripe is rating Effort above Iris.
Don't make me laugh, Effort is a much better player than Iris. He stated that he didn't practice for gom, while Iris did. He had to prepare for his game and an ace match AND a super ace match, without being certain who would come out (although he did have a general idea of who would appear). Effort delivered almost every time he came out and he BARELY lost to Jaedong and almost took CJ to the finals. Iris has lost to odin and perfectman and looked bad doing it. The only problem is effort's horrible decision to go 12hatch on carthage. The difference between his 12hatch on byzantium and jaedong's is that when jaedong did it, zero was at cross positions and his zerglings had to take a longer route to get across the map than calm's zerglings did, which gave jaedong time to defend well.
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I had a long post typed up about Flash, but I don't feel like F5ing this thread all day replying to people, so instead I'll just say that I think the illogical hatred of him on this site is getting really old, and I wonder if any of you would bet take 50-50 betting odds against the (6-2 since last PR), (#3 ELO/Kespa) Terran losing a Bo5 to anyone ranked #6-10 on this month's PR.
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Only against Skyhigh and Yarnc.
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On August 04 2009 04:25 darktreb wrote: I will say this though - Flash makes RO16 of every league virtually every time (with the only one exception being Yarnc'd out of MSL in 2008).
No player has consistently made leagues as well as Flash over the past 18 months, not even JD and Bisu (especially if BackHo hadn't hurt his back...) who have both managed to miss leagues entirely (JD got BackHo'd out of an OSL, Bisu got BackHo'd into an OSL) as well as miss RO16 in MSL, so to say that he doesn't put up any results is simply wrong.
So wouldn't this mean that no player has consistently failed at the boX stages of leagues as Flash has?
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On August 04 2009 06:23 Avidkeystamper wrote: Only against Skyhigh and Yarnc.
I can go with Yarnc but not with Skyhigh. Yarnc has incredible ZvT and Flash is very vulnerable to his play. But I think Flash is superior to Skyhigh. Skyhigh is really over-hyped. He is a good player but not as good as many people tend to believe.
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On August 04 2009 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 04:25 darktreb wrote: I will say this though - Flash makes RO16 of every league virtually every time (with the only one exception being Yarnc'd out of MSL in 2008).
No player has consistently made leagues as well as Flash over the past 18 months, not even JD and Bisu (especially if BackHo hadn't hurt his back...) who have both managed to miss leagues entirely (JD got BackHo'd out of an OSL, Bisu got BackHo'd into an OSL) as well as miss RO16 in MSL, so to say that he doesn't put up any results is simply wrong. So wouldn't this mean that no player has consistently failed at the boX stages of leagues as Flash has?
lol, what the hell is the point of posting such a comment.
No, it means that usually other players fail earlier...
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Nope, Skyhigh's only overhyped in TvZ. His TvT is the real thing.
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On August 04 2009 06:41 Avidkeystamper wrote: Nope, Skyhigh's only overhyped in TvZ. His TvT is the real thing.
Yeah, it gets really stomped by Flash's.
HEH
Just kidding, but Flash is still a parallel to Bisu and Jaedong. They put up the best results in their mirror match, innovate or dominate their race-weak match (Jaedong ZvT, Bisu PvZ, and Flash TvP), and when push comes to shove, there isn't really a doubt who's the best of their race when it comes to these three. You'll have your off months with your Storks, Fantasies and Efforts, but you know a monster when you see one.
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On August 04 2009 06:34 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On August 04 2009 04:25 darktreb wrote: I will say this though - Flash makes RO16 of every league virtually every time (with the only one exception being Yarnc'd out of MSL in 2008).
No player has consistently made leagues as well as Flash over the past 18 months, not even JD and Bisu (especially if BackHo hadn't hurt his back...) who have both managed to miss leagues entirely (JD got BackHo'd out of an OSL, Bisu got BackHo'd into an OSL) as well as miss RO16 in MSL, so to say that he doesn't put up any results is simply wrong. So wouldn't this mean that no player has consistently failed at the boX stages of leagues as Flash has? lol, what the hell is the point of posting such a comment. No, it means that usually other players fail earlier...
MuMyung used to consistently qualify for leagues too.
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On August 04 2009 04:04 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:36 Shauni wrote:On August 04 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:On August 04 2009 01:07 ZBiR wrote: Not like I'm demanding a super high place for him, I just want to hear what do you think about him (and he's not in either CBNC nor NCANC). Stork was totally in that game against Effort until that poor decision...what a pity. A win there would have completely changed this rank...imagine if Effort didn't have to worry about PL anymore, I wonder if he would have played better against Calm? Stork was behind on upgrades throughout the game and was at 3 gas vs 4 for a very long time. I don't think breaking the sunkenline was such a big setback - yeah he lost a couple of zealots under the darkswarm but the outcome would have been the same even if effort was the aggressor. He basically made it look close by playing crackling defiler only to save gas and then running him over with ultras. Stork's big setback was that the map prevent him from playing normal PvZ. He was pretty much dead in the water when Effort was effectively keeping his corsair number down. Nothing else really mattered, because Stork didn't have the gas to make the units that can match against a zerg army. Personally I think Stork is back in form. I have full confidence he'll be a constant part of the PR once fall comes and maps stop being PvZ graveyards.
I totally agree. Storks recent gameplay has been good. I think he will return very strong next season.
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very nice work jwd. i agree wtih the rankings.
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