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On June 19 2009 20:36 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote: lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. That's the only matchup Yarnc is even winning. He's 14-2 in his last 16....? Who would you put above him?
calm
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On June 19 2009 20:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Elo rankings give a skewed measure of skill level. I agree with GTR, I don't think Yarnc is top 3.
? Who plays better ZvT besides Effort and Jaedong?
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On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote: fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Yarnc has only trashed scrubs... his winrate is inflated
Note that he got raped by flash last time they met
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On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote: lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?
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Baa?21242 Posts
As GTR said, Calm.
And -maybe- by.hero but he hasn't been playing much recently. We'll see in this OSL if last season was a fluke, or if by.hero will be THE NEXT BONJWA OMG PLEASE.
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On June 19 2009 20:37 Plexa wrote: Yarnc has only trashed scrubs... his winrate is inflated
Note that he got raped by flash last time they met
Who doesn't get raped by flash? O.o
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:39 Shikyo wrote: Calm? ......No comment.
Why no comment? Cause you know it's true?
Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:37 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote: fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese This isn't a goddam single elim bracket. It's not like if effort loses to jaedong he's eliminated. The way you propose is utterly stupid. The OSL seeding is done based off of the strength of the players in the OSL. (And if you look at the OSL KeSPA points you will see that they line up exactly with the seeding (because thats how they earn the points)). Another example, in Bacchus 07 Flash lost to Stork in Group C, they both qualified out of the group however, and ended up in the finals.
The bit you should be worried about is the Round of 8 - which is randomly generated. The group stage means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to that.
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Looking at the records, calms more on fire now, but yarnc has always had good zvt.
Beating go.go 3 times doesn't impress me, but i haven't seen the games. They are probably horrible rapes. (I hope they are aswell)
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so is the groups finished now? Just wake up, sorry for my stupid question
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On June 19 2009 20:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Why no comment? Cause you know it's true? Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL. Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record.
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Yarnc will beat Flash , his low eco play against terrans is the best in the business .
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote: lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
Flash, you shoulda picked Stork!!
Oh well, Group A is still loaded.
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Germany2762 Posts
holy shit group a looks so scary...
btw Happy Birthday konadora!
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Fourth map will be Heartbreak Ridge (along with Holy World, Outsider and Return of the King).
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as on it's look, i predict a Leta vs EffOrt finals. then they can be the new rivals of tvz by generation. just pray for Bisu to lose
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote: lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT ( vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality) I always thought Light had VERY solid TvZ.
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