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konadora
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Thanks for making the thread.
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Happy birthday kona, is the ban on your channel permanent?
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Oh it's been a while since Ive watched the last OSL selection
A B C D
1 2 3 4
8 7 6 5
9 10 11 12
If I remember this is how it works right?
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konadora
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Lol they want a 4 Terran group consisting of Fantasy, Canata (holy shit), go.go and Leta
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omgomgomgom cvant wait!! :D:D:D cant wait for the opening it looks aweomse o_O
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without Nada osl is no more fun for me 
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konadora
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On June 19 2009 18:20 Garnet wrote:
Happy birthday kona, is the ban on your channel permanent?
Yes
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rofl at that coca cola commercial... bRRRrr-r-r-r--r-r-r!!1
ooo saeng il chukha hamnida kona! :D
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lol damn just saw a few girls floating aroudn in water
gg
lol the music playing is so like..happy summery
"i wana i wanna i wanna atouch yo"
LOL HEALINE NEWS
JAEONG IS THE CASTER!!
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konadora
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Thank you konadora for the stream.
Although I do not understand Korean, I will watch it anyway.
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konadora
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LOL JAEDONG IS A NEWSCASTER?
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Somebody get a shot of that.
He had to do it, he won the last OSL =]
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konadora
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Talking about dating, filming for the new intro, who JD will choose...
Jaedong seems so awkward haha, keeps stuttering XD
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You want to touch me too~~~~
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Flash is hungry for his 2nd OSL, you can see it from his face.
Bacchuu S2 WINNER!
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On June 19 2009 18:30 shindigs wrote:
DID I MISS THE INTRO?!
Yes.
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konadora
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On June 19 2009 18:30 shindigs wrote:
DID I MISS THE INTRO?!
yes
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Norway1530 Posts
THIS OSL IS GOING TO BE.... wait for it
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Did they have to pick some a unfitting song again. >_>
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rooting for boxer and savior ~
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On June 19 2009 18:32 Kaolla wrote:
rooting for boxer and savior ~
Uhh...
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On June 19 2009 18:32 Kaolla wrote:
rooting for boxer and savior ~
WHAT? Back in 2005?
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On June 19 2009 18:31 Disregard wrote:Yes.
DAMNIT
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On June 19 2009 18:32 Kaolla wrote:
rooting for boxer and savior ~ epic 2038th post?
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What is the song played in konadora's stream?
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konadora
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Here come by.hero. looking like a kid still. =o
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konadora
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LOL LETA HAHAHA SO CUTE XD
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B I G B A N G LETA!!
Leta so pimp with those T.O.P Glasses
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holy fuck leta just ruined himself
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lol
this is like how skt players dressed as F4
this season ogn dress as big bang -_-
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wtf I can't even recognize most of these guys
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konadora
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Lol Hite Sparkyz = Big Bang
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oh my god this is awkward
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haHAHAHAHA HITE TEAM WAS hilarious
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LEE YOUNG HOOO!!!!!! YEAHHHH BOIII
He had a bomb backpack!
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konadora
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OMG FLASH LOL AHAHAHA
SOME 16 YEAR OLD KID XD
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H
AHAHAHHAHA OMG FLAHSHHHHH SUPER NERDY SCHOOL BOY LOOL EVEN HAS BACKPACK
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flash dressed as a child labourer.
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Zero wut? Who you proposing to
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T.O.P.
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On June 19 2009 18:37 GTR wrote:
lol
this is like how skt players dressed as F4
this season ogn dress as big bang -_-
Oh wow, I didn't know. Need to watch last season's OSL selection now.
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konadora
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Effort's first OSL yeah??
Giving roses to the crowd
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i think my stream is behind
only flash could pull off that look
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At least Effort looks casual.
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konadora
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KWANRO
KWANRO
OMG PIKACHU ZERG HAHAHA
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omg FLash with school boy look lol
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On June 19 2009 18:38 skronch wrote:i think my stream is behind only flash could pull off that look
Zero works very well in that look.
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konadora
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STORKY!
He actually.. looks good. lol
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Kwanro, such a mannered guy.
Next comes Song Byung Gooo! in casual attire
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lol stork is the most normal looking
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Stork looks like a farmer boy.
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konadora
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SKT1 PLAYERS YEAH YEAH
OMG BISU
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KIM TAEK YOUNG WOW, BALLONS
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what the hell is the theme
big bang school boys?
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konadora
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Fantasy looks like hes going to prom.
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Fantasy, not still shy to the crowd, here comes JD??!!!?!?
NVM WTF CANATA
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.........fantasy, are you srs?
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konadora
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LOL CANATA WTF
AHAHA
WHAT IS THIS
LOL A PIG BALLOON XD
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OMG THIS IS HILARIOUS AHAHAHA
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Sorry Sorry. WOoooooo
BACKHOO!!
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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konadora
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OoooOOO BACKHO
SORRY SORRY
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i'm waiting for backho to somehow fail
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BACKHO YOU RULE MAN YOU ARE THE BEST
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would we get "It's You" by Jaedong? Please yes
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backho sucks at dancing
i can do better
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konadora
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BRING GTR HERE RIGHT NOW
ZIZIYO DANCE LOL
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lol backho can make anyone of us look bad in the club
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Jaedong's entrance. Wow. Best of all, fearsome
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jaedong looks fucking PIMP
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konadora
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OMG THIS SONG
OMG OMG
HAHAHA
KIM CARRIER WTF ARE U DOING LOL
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On June 19 2009 18:43 skronch wrote:
jaedong looks fucking PIMP
QFT
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lol Kim Carrey is so lame
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konadora
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LOL
MAFIA BOSS INCOMING
WAIT IT'S SOME CANTONESE SONG LOL
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wtf classic canto music lol
Damn I know this song too.
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T.O.P.
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Oh wtf, cantonese song. How do the Koreans know?
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Wow. He was the perfect guy to pull that off.
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konadora
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OMG LOL NICE OUTFIT MR.CASTER
1990s STUDENT UNIFORM
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this is so goofy.
whatever happened to the OSL being more serious than the MSL?
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On June 19 2009 18:44 Sunyveil wrote:
this is so goofy.
whatever happened to the OSL being more serious than the MSL?
This is better imo.
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konadora
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OSL was always better than MSL.
They decided to be better than MSL for group selection now
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On June 19 2009 18:45 Solinren wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 18:44 Sunyveil wrote:
this is so goofy.
whatever happened to the OSL being more serious than the MSL? This is better imo.
OSL is always grander in scale though.
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On June 19 2009 18:31 Jonvvv wrote:
THIS OSL IS GOING TO BE.... wait for it
FUCKING LEGENDARY! :D there
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Go.go more fans than effort?!? Impossible.
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konadora
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LOL
Jaedong: "I know I'm sexy."
Leta: "I'm so cute that people want to tease me."
BackHo: "I think I'm very cute, and many girls want me to be their younger brother."
Hwasin: "I'm pretty, smart, handsome, etc. I'm the perfect guy."
Too fast to translate all :<
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Hwasin needs more lip stick and gloss. PRETTY PRETTY!
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konadora
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oh man backho looks like such a pimp
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The more I look at Canata right now, the more i wanna punch him
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LOL THEY'RE PARODYING BIG BANG!?!?
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konadora
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Lol Hite Sparkyz members parodying the Big Bang members
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME Go.GO..
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On June 19 2009 18:49 Disregard wrote:
Who the hell is GOGO
Seungri they say?
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konadora
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WHERE'S DOUGLAS?
IT'S GO.GO LOL
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On June 19 2009 18:50 Solinren wrote:Seungri they say?
Exactly fail
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konadora
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AHAHAHA
Type-b: "I realised that whether you are a guy or a girl, makeup is really impressive regardless."
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type-b actaulyl looks decent if not better than he used to look
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Typeb looks very different when he first debuted. His head seems smaller or just me?
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Hite Sparkyz performance LOL
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HAHA.
Leta is pretty short compared to the others..
I might be his height.. TAT~
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On June 19 2009 18:53 Sunyveil wrote:
hite dancing fail
Way too* embarrassing :/
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Flash looking hella good, he should dress like that
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konadora
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OOOH
Commentator: "Have you dated before?"
Flash: "I guess."
Commentator: "Have you dated while wearing a school uniform?"
Flash: "I can't remember..."
Commentator: "Aren't you in Year 2 of High School now?"
Flash: "Yeah, I dated when I was in Junior High."
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On June 19 2009 18:54 konadora wrote:
OOOH
Commentator: "Have you dated before?"
Flash: "I guess."
Commentator: "Have you dated while wearing a school uniform?"
Flash: "I can't remember..."
Commentator: "Aren't you in Year 2 of High School now?"
Flash: "Yeah, I dated when I was in Junior High."
Lol Junior high what a pimp.
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jaedong trying his best to be yesung.
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On June 19 2009 18:55 GTR wrote:
jaedong trying his best to be yesung.
From Super Junior?
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konadora
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Lol @ Canata's pig when Jaedong was talking
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Bisu - WTF are you wearing Canata?
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omg canata looks so awkward
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On June 19 2009 18:54 Xela wrote:
What is he saying?
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ROFL Canata looks like a 12 year old
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konadora
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wait... how the heck did canata qualify for the OSL??? he's in both leagues right now??? great.
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could someone alteast explain to some extent what they are doing now?
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Nooooo, why did she get a haircut like that
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Who would she date? I'll pick Leta
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Oh my god I'm still laughing my ass off over the pig.
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canata looks like mr. bean
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Hhahaha impersonating a Zergling. THIS IS GOLD
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On June 19 2009 19:04 skronch wrote:
canata looks like mr. bean
+1
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On June 19 2009 19:04 Origami wrote:
Oh my god I'm still laughing my ass off over the pig.
hahah same. im rofl
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they stole this off us!
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wow that took a long time to pick. come on stargirl.
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what is she picking for anyways?
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what
canata gets $300 for being 'best dressed'?
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WTH walking away with 230?
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maybe she's into a guy who parades his pork on a string
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lol comparing hwasin to reach in manliness
DOESNT WORK
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konadora
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If you want live translation, join my chat
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On June 19 2009 19:10 GTR wrote:
lol comparing hwasin to reach in manliness
DOESNT WORK
Yeah, hwasin is way more of a man than reach will ever be.
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Hwasin is the girliest there LOL.
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bisu: uh, ne, uh, ne, uh.... ne, uh....
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On June 19 2009 19:11 Garnet wrote:
Hwasin is the girliest there LOL.
I dig it.
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I feel some hardcore group of death :3
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On June 19 2009 19:11 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 19:10 GTR wrote:
lol comparing hwasin to reach in manliness
DOESNT WORK Yeah, hwasin is way more of a man than reach will ever be.
stfu, now.
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konadora
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(Flash died?)
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about konadora's post count!?"
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Gratz on OVER 9000!!! posts Kona
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Hwasin is quite manly, it's just that he's cute that makes people think otherwise.
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OMG OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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are you serious???? Didn't you only join a few months ago or something???
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On June 19 2009 19:11 Garnet wrote:
Hwasin is the girliest there LOL.
PFFT have you heard Hwasin talk?
That guy probably gets laid more in a week than I ever will in my life.
Edit: Sunyveil Konadora does mass translations and is in just about every live report thread around, his post counts soar because of it.
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^^Not a very big accomplishment. 
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On June 19 2009 19:16 Sunyveil wrote:
are you serious???? Didn't you only join a few months ago or something???
Konadora's Average Posts Per Day: 68.26
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Will the group selection start any time soon or do I have the time to watch SC Weekly?
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On June 19 2009 19:16 Jayme wrote:PFFT have you heard Hwasin talk? That guy probably gets laid more in a week than I ever will in my life.
I agree
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On June 19 2009 19:13 konadora wrote:
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about konadora's post count!?"
This is what TL has to say
Posts
Total 9001 (Started 152 Threads)
Today 82 Avg: 68.26
This Week 462 Avg: 477.82
That puts haji and FA to shame
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On June 19 2009 19:17 Lemonwalrus wrote:^^Not a very big accomplishment.
I wouldn't have said that if I was totally dry. Thanks for the boost in confidence
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konadora
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Kwanro looks so ridiculous and out of place in that advert
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On June 19 2009 19:24 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Kwanro looks so ridiculous and out of place in that advert
Kwanro is just ridiculous ;D
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happy birthday konadora, and thx for all the translations you do =)
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has the full bacchus intro been played yet?
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konadora
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They just threw away a keyboard :<
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flash appears to not be back yet
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konadora
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On June 19 2009 19:28 Plexa wrote:
has the full bacchus intro been played yet?
Nope, only partial. They'll only be playing the full intro from Ro16 onwards
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konadora
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AHHAA
THE NEXT 'L' FROM DEATH NOTE
'M'
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well, the early episodes of death note own 
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OH FUCK :O
Jaedong ballsy pick
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Effort is like hell yeah, i can win another zvz with this guy.
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Hahaha, Effort shit your pants right now 
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On June 19 2009 19:35 konadora wrote:
JAEDONG CHOOSES EFFORT
as expected
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On June 19 2009 19:31 konadora wrote:AHHAA THE NEXT 'L' FROM DEATH NOTE 'M'
Who the hell is this guy? Yellow?
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New respect for JD.
Please whoop effort.
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hear that manly voice of effort
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On June 19 2009 19:36 Garnet wrote:Who the hell is this guy? Yellow?
type-b
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EffOrt's voice is the sex.
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Must sucks hard to be in the same group with those two.
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The caster in the middle looks ridiculous.
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konadora
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EffOrt has a surprisingly deep voice
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Nice pick by jaedong, he picked the guy who hasnt been really proven in individual leagues and doesnt make him look gay like bisu (choosing favorable groups) at the same time. Also, he wants to prove efforts win was just a fluke. gogo JD!!!
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FANTASY CHOOSES BACKHO LOL
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backho is fantasy's insurance
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safe pick from fantasy...
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Hope Effort will not pick Stork
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Bisu's group picking skills have rubbed off on Fantasy.
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stork is afraid of fantasy
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On June 19 2009 19:43 Harem wrote:
Backho will rape Fantasy
Never.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Backho knows how lethal Fantasy's vultures are.
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konadora
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Bisu pick Hwasin the Insurance please
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On June 19 2009 19:43 Solidus_315 wrote:
stork is afraid of fantasy
Stork is afraid of everyone.
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konadora
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On June 19 2009 19:46 Jayme wrote:Stork is afraid of everyone.
I lol'd
Talking about Bisu's recent loss to Hwasin
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On June 19 2009 19:46 Jayme wrote:Stork is afraid of everyone.
Hahah, so true
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BISUIT vs go.go
lame bisu lame
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On June 19 2009 19:48 SuperArc wrote:
God, fantasy is lame
who's more lame now
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konadora
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Bisu chooses..... Go.Go? Wtf?
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On June 19 2009 19:49 Solidus_315 wrote:who's more lame now
SKT = team of cowards
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So far only JD has balls enough to pick someone of caliber. ~~
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I predict Hero will pick up Stork as he is the only Toss he can pick right now. Gay picks by Bisu/Fantasy T.T.
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I almost guarantee that this is going to come back and bite bisu in the ass haha
99% chance of go.go cheesing
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OMFG. Canata's new haircut is fucking ridiculous.
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lol Bisu. faking flash and picking gogo? WTF DUDE.
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On June 19 2009 19:50 SilverskY wrote:
OMFG. Canata's new haircut is fucking ridiculous.
Rock Lee?
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lolol bisu making excuses.
He picked go.go. because gogo is the best player.
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On June 19 2009 19:50 Plexa wrote:I almost guarantee that this is going to come back and bite bisu in the ass haha 99% chance of go.go cheesing
99% chance of Bisu losing in a group he designed to be insurance... happens every single time he does it
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On June 19 2009 19:50 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 19:49 Solidus_315 wrote:On June 19 2009 19:48 SuperArc wrote:
God, fantasy is lame who's more lame now SKT = team of cowards
I remember when Midas picked Savior most of the forum thought he was retarded. Apparently there's no way to do it right.
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On June 19 2009 19:53 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 19:50 SuperArc wrote:On June 19 2009 19:49 Solidus_315 wrote:On June 19 2009 19:48 SuperArc wrote:
God, fantasy is lame who's more lame now SKT = team of cowards I remember when Midas picked Savior most of the forum thought he was retarded. Apparently there's no way to do it right.
The difference was that this is group play (2 players advance)
That was bo3 single elim ;;
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Bisu fanbase growing smaller and smaller.
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This just proves that SKT1 is a noob team full of noobs.
Jaedong and by.hero fighting!
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konadora
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Hero chooses Leta. he wants to trash his 2port build.
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um jaekyung with the bisu face.
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See? By.hero isn't a pussy. Jaedong and by.hero > fantasy and Bisu.
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Why can't SKT be like JD/by.hero. =/
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Z players are ballers
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omg who is leta gonna pick!!!!
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Leta just wants to 2port his way through this entire SL. lol
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I hope BackHo get the chance to pick stork. :q
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konadora
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Are zergs the only players with balls, or what?
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:02 SuperArc wrote:
Are zergs the only players with balls, or what?
That's an already established fact ^^
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Kwanro: "I have experienced the 2port build. But I do not fear the wraith much. I can just thunderbolt them."
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Kwanro: "I have learnt Iron Tail."
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Effort has the chance to get Flash/Stork into his group, better to eliminate the BoX players in Bo1 matches.
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Type-b somehow looks like Arnc, maybe the lost other twin?
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Hwasinsurance into Bisu's group!
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LMFAO.
Go.Go: Because Bisu is doing so well, I wanted to make an insurance for myself as well.
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14:06 konadora : GO.GO SAYS
14:06 konadora : SINCE BISU IS DOING SO WELL
14:06 konadora : HE WANTED TO CREATE AN INSURANCE FOR HIMSELF TOO
HAHAHAHA
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konadora
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Hwasin, go.go's next insurance
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LMFAOFALFMAFAOFALM.
Hwasin: "I want to curb stomp some shit right now."
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Baa?21242 Posts
I'll laugh so hard when Hwasin breezes out of this group.
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On June 19 2009 20:10 SilverskY wrote:
LMFAOFALFMAFAOFALM.
Hwasin: "I want to curb stomp some shit right now."
Man I hope Hwasin makes it out of that group.
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I'll be more than happy to see Bisu eliminated from his 'insurance' group, again.
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On June 19 2009 20:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:02 SuperArc wrote:
Are zergs the only players with balls, or what? That's an already established fact ^^
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Hwasin looks pretty pissed. I hope he rapes this group.
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konadora
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Poor Hwasin.. being everyone's insurance
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Backho picks Type-b
I swear zerg players are the only ones with balls nowadays.
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aww, I wanted him to pick stork. :<
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BackHo choose Type-B. God Type-B looks like he has eye-liner on. Love his hair though.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:18 Jayme wrote:
I swear zerg players are the only ones with balls nowadays.
Zerg players have always been the only ones with balls
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
If Effort picks FlaSh. Group A will officially be the most dangerous group I've seen in a long time in SL's.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Just don't efin pick Flash!
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On June 19 2009 20:19 SilverskY wrote:
If Effort picks FlaSh. Group A will officially be the most dangerous group I've seen in a long time in SL's.
or stork for that matter
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OMG OMG now flash has to pick stork
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Baa?21242 Posts
Stork's inconsistent though, whereas Flash is always dangerous.
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Zergs are so awesome. :')
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LOL. Zerg players = balls the size of fucking watermelons.
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Can someone explain to me why this part of the group selection matters? Don't the seeds just end up moving everyone around like hell?
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Another group of death
fml
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yey. flash pick another Z and just practice TvZ for the next month.
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On June 19 2009 20:23 BanZu wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this part of the group selection matters? Don't the seeds just end up moving everyone around like hell?
Thats only for MSL, OSL IS BALLER
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EffOrt says that he wants to play the best of the best. The Group of Death has officially been formed. Group A = GoD.
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LOL
FLash says group selection is too boring. he's sleepy
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Well stork's pvz is like his worst matchup so he is group a's insurance
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On June 19 2009 20:23 BanZu wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this part of the group selection matters? Don't the seeds just end up moving everyone around like hell?
This isn't steal draft style this is whomever you pick is in your group style
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if flash picks stork, this is probably the biggest group of death seen in the osl in a long time.
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On June 19 2009 20:23 iLoveKT wrote:
yey. flash pick another Z and just practice TvZ for the next month.
He does not want to pick up Yarnc otherwise his chances of getting out of this group are very very slim. He better hope noone picks up Zero before him if he plans 1 mu practice.
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On June 19 2009 20:25 GTR wrote:
if flash picks stork, this is probably the biggest group of death seen in the osl in a long time.
name a bigger one
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Baa?21242 Posts
Maybe Flash will cement the fact that only Zergs have balls and pick a scrub =D
Does he pick next?
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Flash will pick Yarnc imo. There are Hite players present in other groups already.
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JD showed balls and picked up EffOrt
EffOrt also showed balls and picked up Flash
Wil Flash show balls and pick up a strong rival??
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fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A
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On June 19 2009 20:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Maybe Flash will cement the fact that only Zergs have balls and pick a scrub =D
The only scrub left is Canata
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Flash picking, the non-picked players are shitting thier pants
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On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A
what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them.
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On June 19 2009 20:25 Tertiary wrote:
Flash will pick Yarnc imo. There are Hite players present in other groups already.
That would be stupid.
ZvT is Yarnc's only decent matchup. If he wants to actually get out he'd pick Zero.
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wtf effort??? trying to spoil my dream for flash vs jaedong finals. T.T
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lol everyone is like "plz dont pick me"
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:26 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Maybe Flash will cement the fact that only Zergs have balls and pick a scrub =D The only scrub left is Canata
Not really.
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The smartest thing to do for FlaSh is to pick a zerg so he just plays a shit ton of TVZ. And he does so. Smart move Flash.
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On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them.
yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final
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On June 19 2009 20:25 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:25 GTR wrote:
if flash picks stork, this is probably the biggest group of death seen in the osl in a long time. name a bigger one
On May 08 2004 01:10 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2004 23:42 Klogon wrote:
Nada (T), Boxer (T), Foru (P), Junwi (Z) (Olympus OSL - April 2003)
Major powerhouses at the time. Boxer was still considered the best by many, and as was nada. At this time, Junwi as known as the ZvT God and Foru as the PvT God. They were so feared, that some thought these terrans wouldn't make it out of the group. What made this group the all time best over the other awesome groups of deaths have to do with the group selection. I mean look at it! Nada has the first pick after winning his first OGN title so he bolding picks Boxer to prove himself. Boxer, knowing the power of Foru's PvT, picks Foru to counter Nada (Foru is also known to have anti-nada antibodies as he ALWAYS beats him), and Foru, seeing 2 scary looking terrans, picks the Terran Killer Junwi. That was amazing amazing group picking.
anyway flash pussied out and picked yarnc, doh.
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On June 19 2009 20:26 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:25 Tertiary wrote:
Flash will pick Yarnc imo. There are Hite players present in other groups already. That would be stupid. ZvT is Yarnc's only decent matchup. If he wants to actually get out he'd pick Zero.
Did Effort choose Flash because he is stupid?
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On June 19 2009 20:26 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:25 Tertiary wrote:
Flash will pick Yarnc imo. There are Hite players present in other groups already. That would be stupid. ZvT is Yarnc's only decent matchup. If he wants to actually get out he'd pick Zero.
I stand corrected-.-
Yarnc isn't even a pussy out move. Yarnc has really good ZvT so FLash made this group hellishly dangerous for himself.
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now stork will probably be in bisuit's group
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it's official, Zergs are ballers, all the others suck
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Flash chooses Yarnc, and it is proven, that Zerg players are the only ones with balls in group picking.
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Completely dissapointed with Flash.. picked Yellow[arnc]
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On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final
sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl.
the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome.
and kespa have NO RIGHT at ALL to touch any of the ogn/mbc ran individual leagues except for the ppp shit.
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flash picked best maybe 2nd zvt player, how the hell it is not ballsy?
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I don't like Flash's chances .
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Flash needs to play the TvZ of his life to get out of his group. His group has the 3 highest ZvT ELOs right now, Yarnc being the highest and something like 14-2 last 16, he figured out mech completely. Flash is going to have lots of fun practicing with a slumping lux.
Edit: Wtf at people saying Flash picking Yarnc is not ballsy. Yarnc was top 5 ZvT since 08, and is playing real sick ZvT recently, just look at TLPD and look how badly he rolled light.
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Flash vs the best, second best, and third best ZvT in the world. Good luck!
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awwww stork is not in bisu's group
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Nice, type-b picks Stork.
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Type B picks stork... LOLOLOL
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GOD, even tybe.b has more balls than Bisu/Fantasy/Leta!
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On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and kespa have NO RIGHT at ALL to touch any of the ogn/mbc ran individual leagues except for the ppp shit.
I think he meant to say that last MSL final wasnt as good as it could have been if people hadnt knocked each other out earlier.
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On June 19 2009 20:31 SuperArc wrote:
GOD, even tybe.b has more balls than Bisu/Fantasy/Leta!
It's cause he's a Zerg ^^
Rooting for Stork and type-b to make it out of Group B!
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Hah, take that stork! You can't dodge fantasy by request!
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moderator.
07:36 konadora : OKAY
07:36 konadora : NETIZENS SAY
07:36 konadora : TYPE-B IS LIKE CELL FROM DBZ
07:36 konadora : SO
07:36 konadora : TYPE-B SAYS
07:36 konadora : IF HE DEFEATS A STRONG PLAYER
07:36 konadora : THEN HE CAN BECOME STRONGER, LIKE CELL ABSORBING HIS ENEMIES
07:36 konadora : LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
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How is Flash not ballsy? Can you honestly say that he has more chance of beating Yarnc than beating Stork? At least Stork will surely lose to both of the Zergs.
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On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final
what? two players advance from this group. So you are guaranteed to have two of flash/effort/jeadong (given yarnc doesn't fuck things up). What about other groups? Stupid idiot players can cheese and fuck things up. THATS THE GREATNESS OF GROUP PLAY. This system of picking groups never fails to make good Ro8s seriously. There is always a group of death in every osl. Get fucking use to it, KeSPA ranking wouldn't change anything. (only two players from top 4 are in this and the other two are spread out already).
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lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.
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konadora
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Hwasin will now rip every nametag on that board and put it all in one group under his name and whisper: "I will fucking kill all of you. I am no fucking body's insurance."
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On June 19 2009 20:32 Shikyo wrote:
How is Flash not ballsy? Can you honestly say that he has more chance of beating Yarnc than beating Stork? At least Stork will surely lose to both of the Zergs.
It's a Bo1, and Stork can easily take a game off any of those 3 in a Bo1, and has in the past.
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On June 19 2009 20:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:32 Shikyo wrote:
How is Flash not ballsy? Can you honestly say that he has more chance of beating Yarnc than beating Stork? At least Stork will surely lose to both of the Zergs. It's a Bo1, and Stork can easily take a game off any of those 3 in a Bo1, and has in the past.
Edit: Nvm, some guy posted a weird stat and I just copied it remembering the days taht Flash was Stork's bitch, still Stork has a really good rec vs Flash in bo1s iirc
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Exactly, so Stork is a more dangerous pick than Yarnc, and would've made the "deathier" Group of Death.
I think Yarnc's screwed.
I'm gonna root for Jaedong and Effort in Group A...sorry Flash, but I need to cheer for LEEJAEDONG SANSU and Neo Savior.
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On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.
TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.
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On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.
no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.
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On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.
lol i'm going to quote this when Flash rips this group to shreds
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On June 19 2009 20:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Exactly, so Stork is a more dangerous pick than Yarnc, and would've made the "deathier" Group of Death.
I think Yarnc's screwed.
I'm gonna root for Jaedong and Effort in Group A...sorry Flash, but I need to cheer for LEEJAEDONG SANSU and Neo Savior.
If he was in form, yes...
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Elo rankings give a skewed measure of skill level. I agree with GTR, I don't think Yarnc is top 3.
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On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.
...Yes, it is. You must be confused with his brother, Luxury.
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On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.
Name a better player, and look at his recent games.
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On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.
That's the only matchup Yarnc is even winning. He's 14-2 in his last 16....? Who would you put above him?
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yarnc's ZvT is the only thing not slumping
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Canata sporting the Rock Lee haircut.
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On June 19 2009 20:35 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. lol i'm going to quote this when Flash rips this group to shreds
I hope Flash rips this group to shreds. He's the only terran besides Hwasin I like.
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On June 19 2009 20:36 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. That's the only matchup Yarnc is even winning. He's 14-2 in his last 16....? Who would you put above him?
calm
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On June 19 2009 20:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Elo rankings give a skewed measure of skill level. I agree with GTR, I don't think Yarnc is top 3.
? Who plays better ZvT besides Effort and Jaedong?
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On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome.
and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese
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Yarnc has only trashed scrubs... his winrate is inflated
Note that he got raped by flash last time they met
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On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.
14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?
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As GTR said, Calm.
And -maybe- by.hero but he hasn't been playing much recently. We'll see in this OSL if last season was a fluke, or if by.hero will be THE NEXT BONJWA OMG PLEASE.
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On June 19 2009 20:37 Plexa wrote:
Yarnc has only trashed scrubs... his winrate is inflated
Note that he got raped by flash last time they met
Who doesn't get raped by flash? O.o
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On June 19 2009 20:39 Shikyo wrote:
Calm? ......No comment.
Why no comment? Cause you know it's true?
Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL.
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On June 19 2009 20:37 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese
This isn't a goddam single elim bracket. It's not like if effort loses to jaedong he's eliminated. The way you propose is utterly stupid. The OSL seeding is done based off of the strength of the players in the OSL. (And if you look at the OSL KeSPA points you will see that they line up exactly with the seeding (because thats how they earn the points)). Another example, in Bacchus 07 Flash lost to Stork in Group C, they both qualified out of the group however, and ended up in the finals.
The bit you should be worried about is the Round of 8 - which is randomly generated. The group stage means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to that.
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Looking at the records, calms more on fire now, but yarnc has always had good zvt.
Beating go.go 3 times doesn't impress me, but i haven't seen the games. They are probably horrible rapes. (I hope they are aswell)
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so is the groups finished now? Just wake up, sorry for my stupid question
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On June 19 2009 20:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Why no comment? Cause you know it's true? Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL.
Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record.
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Yarnc will beat Flash , his low eco play against terrans is the best in the business .
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On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?
Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Flash, you shoulda picked Stork!!
Oh well, Group A is still loaded.
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Germany2762 Posts
holy shit group a looks so scary...
btw Happy Birthday konadora!
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Fourth map will be Heartbreak Ridge (along with Holy World, Outsider and Return of the King).
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as on it's look, i predict a  Leta vs  EffOrt finals. then they can be the new rivals of tvz by generation. just pray for  Bisu to lose
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT ( vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
I always thought Light had VERY solid TvZ.
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Outsider, Holyworld, Rotk and ?
edit: saw earlier post, Heartbreak ridge
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On June 19 2009 20:42 Patrio wrote:so is the groups finished now? Just wake up, sorry for my stupid question
Yes
Flash/Jaedong/Yarnc/Effort
Bisu/Go.go/Hwasin/Zero
By.Hero/Leta/Kwanro/Canata
Fantasy/Backho/TypeB/Stork
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
Too be fair, besides calm playing more, his opponents haven't been too good aswell, but he is probably playing better than yarnc recently.
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
winners league > PL
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:43 Shikyo wrote:
Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record.
Cheesy or brilliant? Seriously, just cause it's cheese/all-in doesn't man it's not brilliant and creative.
What about him winning over fantasy?
Besides, record means nothing next to recent performance, where Calm is consistently beating top players in all 3 match-ups, giving him a much better confidence level and much better overall condition than Yarnc, who doesn't even appear in PL anymore.
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9070 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:37 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them. yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese This isn't a goddam single elim bracket. It's not like if effort loses to jaedong he's eliminated. The way you propose is utterly stupid. The OSL seeding is done based off of the strength of the players in the OSL. (And if you look at the OSL KeSPA points you will see that they line up exactly with the seeding (because thats how they earn the points)). Another example, in Bacchus 07 Flash lost to Stork in Group C, they both qualified out of the group however, and ended up in the finals. The bit you should be worried about is the Round of 8 - which is randomly generated. The group stage means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to that.
I'm going to write a good, long post where I will try to explain my points
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Flash has no real "weak" match up, hed be most in danger in an all Terran group as opposed to an all zerg group. Sucks for yarnc..hes prolly not getting out, cause his ZvZ probably isnt good enough to beat Jaedong or Effort on average.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Wow, I love Group A and Group D, awesome games are to come !
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Outsider, Heartbreak Ridge, and Holy World are the 3 maps.
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On June 19 2009 20:44 SilverskY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT ( vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality) I always thought Light had VERY solid TvZ.
he played really really cocky in the ro36 games vs yarnc
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Holy World has been altered a bit to balance PvZ in P's favor due to early difficulties for the Protoss.
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On June 19 2009 20:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:43 Shikyo wrote:
Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record. Cheesy or brilliant? Seriously, just cause it's cheese/all-in doesn't man it's not brilliant and creative. What about him winning over fantasy?
Fantasy's Bio sucks. His bio games are sub 50% if you didnt know that. Even hogil raped the shit out of fantasy when he went bio.
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So basically Jaedong and effort are ballers (with their pick) and Bisu is still a pussy (lol go.go)
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Baa?21242 Posts
That's a stupid argument? Fantasy went bio because he thought he could win, and he obviously didn't. Therefore, Calm beat fantasy. It's not like because fantasy used a different build, calm didn't -really- beat fantasy.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Holy World has been changed for PvZ balance
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Liquibetting for Group A is gonna be a fuckin' nightmare.
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jaedongs group is sick.
bisu's is a joke.
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
Light has been quite impressive as of late. Beating him is still far, FAR more impressive than beating go.go 3 times...
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Watch as poor Yarnc goes 0-3 while JD, Flash, Effort all go 2-1 setting up the tiebreaker to end all tiebreakers....
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
Uh...Lights been playing really well this year..hes definitely star quality and is one of the best TvZers hands down, mech mnm etc he can do it all extremely well.
Watching calms zvts...he doesnt appear as good as yarnc in the matchup or as versatile, I think hed struggle in a series, I couldnt see him beating Flash in a series.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Lol, I'm more unimpressed with Group D than Group C. Sadly I think Canata might make it through Group D with Leta.
Gonna take Jaedong/Flash, Stork/Fantasy, Bisu/Hwasin, Leta/Canata to advance. Shit happens though, so we'll see.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:48 Shikyo wrote:
Light has been quite impressive as of late. Beating him is still far, FAR more impressive than beating go.go 3 times...
Yes, with impressive wins over the likes of S2x2 and Zergbong. (He also dropped a game to S2 lmao)
He's 5-6 in his games since May.
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On June 19 2009 20:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:43 Shikyo wrote:
Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record. Cheesy or brilliant? Seriously, just cause it's cheese/all-in doesn't man it's not brilliant and creative. What about him winning over fantasy? Besides, record means nothing next to recent performance, where Calm is consistently beating top players in all 3 match-ups, giving him a much better confidence level and much better overall condition than Yarnc, who doesn't even appear in PL anymore.
Defiler rush isn't really that brilliant to me, I liked Magma's win over Hwasin more. It didn't help that Sea decided to suicide his entire army into the Lurkers, either. The reason why I partially disregard those kinds of builds as cheesy is because it doesn't prove how well you can do in straight-up games and against decent opponents. For example Bisu's proxy vs Pokju, albeit impressive, was completely useless(until stork wtfpowned best with it).
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On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)
Yeah but last MSL Flash got badly raped 2 times by Yellow's 2 hat mutas . Yellow has the best timing against mech . All who tried meching against him failed . Leta once beat him with 2 port in the all - star machup and thats it . Flash still sucks against 2 hat mutas so i don't like his odds against Yarnc .
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10387 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:48 konadora wrote:
Holy World has been changed for PvZ balance
how?
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Effort/Jaedong, Stork/Fantasy, Hwasin/Bisu, Leta/Kwanro
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Baa?21242 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:51 raga4ka wrote:
2 port mutas in the all - star machup .
Please teach me this build!!! I want to make Mutalisks out of my Starports too! =P
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Calm and Yarnc share top3 spot.
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On June 19 2009 20:49 darktreb wrote:
Watch as poor Yarnc goes 0-3 while JD, Flash, Effort all go 2-1 setting up the tiebreaker to end all tiebreakers....
that would be entertaining
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Hwasin the stripper Terran
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On June 19 2009 20:53 konadora wrote:
fan girls are going nuts lool
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On June 19 2009 20:51 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL. TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy. no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality) Yeah but last MSL Flash got badly raped 2 times by Yellow's 2 hat mutas . Yellow has the best timing against mech . All who tried meching against him failed . Leta once beat him with 2 port mutas in the all - star machup and thats it . Flash still sucks against 2 hat mutas so i don't like his odds against Yarnc .
What come on now that was two MSL and like 6 months ago. Two hatch muta (and Terran players' responses to it) has evolved a lot since then. Yarnc vs. Flash is going to be really good though - every game with Flash in that group is going to be really good.
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Flash / JD , Fantasy / BaekHo , Zero / Bisu , Canata / Leta FTW!
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My bets:
JD/Yarnc
Stork/Fantasy
Zero/Hwasin due to karma attacking Bisu for picking joke players
Leta/Canata
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
@Light being impressive
I'm a hardcore MBC fan. Light isn't any better than your standard run of the mill terran. If he was playing on say, CJ he wouldn't see lineup time. Nor on SKT for that matter. You can clump him in a pile with the likes of upmagic and really tbh.
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On June 19 2009 20:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:48 Shikyo wrote:
Light has been quite impressive as of late. Beating him is still far, FAR more impressive than beating go.go 3 times... Yes, with impressive wins over the likes of S2x2 and Zergbong. (He also dropped a game to S2 lmao) He's 5-6 in his games since May.
I counted 11-8, and he just dominated fuckin Leta the other day. Its a shame he didnt qualify for any leagues because he has been improving and beasting the whole damn year.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
fantasy will win this OSL
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On June 19 2009 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
fantasy will win this OSL
Don't jinx him again man he'll get second again :D
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
fantasy will win this OSL
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fantasy can only win if he ignores MSL
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Thanks for the LR's people! I enjoyed the show
So.. prediction time..
Jaedong, Flash (though effort could be a tough cookie)
Fantasy, Stork
Hwasin, ZerO (yes, Bisu is dooming himself har har!)
by.hero, Leta (Hopefully by.Hero's mentor July can inspire him for OSL success)
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On June 19 2009 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
fantasy will win this OSL
predictions again fakesteve?
anyway, the problem with saying that flash will have a hard time because vZ is his weakest MU is that his vZ is only "weak" because his vP and vT are that much better. tlpd says his vZ winrate is 64%, yeah definitely his weakest consider his other mu's are like ~69% but definitely not weak.
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:44 weiliem wrote:as on it's look, i predict a Leta vs EffOrt finals. then they can be the new rivals of tvz by generation. just pray for Bisu to lose
Leta is newer generation to Flash? lol
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On June 19 2009 21:01 Plexa wrote:
@Light being impressive
I'm a hardcore MBC fan. Light isn't any better than your standard run of the mill terran. If he was playing on say, CJ he wouldn't see lineup time. Nor on SKT for that matter. You can clump him in a pile with the likes of upmagic and really tbh.
Yea..maybe if he hasnt been stomping fools consistently all this year and seeing as he has beaten fantasy a couple of times this year and with his great TvZ, Im sure if he was on SKT1 hed get playtime, if the situation called. Not getting playtime on CJ, isnt saying much really. Lumping him in with Sea.really is just ridiculous, really. The quality of the games hes played is far above that of a standard run of the mill terran.
And Midas beat Yarnc with mech once upon a time, though I think it might have been on plasma.
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How has Holy World been changed?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:41 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 21:01 Plexa wrote:
@Light being impressive
I'm a hardcore MBC fan. Light isn't any better than your standard run of the mill terran. If he was playing on say, CJ he wouldn't see lineup time. Nor on SKT for that matter. You can clump him in a pile with the likes of upmagic and really tbh. Yea..maybe if he hasnt been stomping fools consistently all this year and seeing as he has beaten fantasy a couple of times this year and with his great TvZ, Im sure if he was on SKT1 hed get playtime, if the situation called. Not getting playtime on CJ, isnt saying much really. Lumping him in with Sea.really is just ridiculous, really. The quality of the games hes played is far above that of a standard run of the mill terran. And Midas beat Yarnc with mech once upon a time, though I think it might have been on plasma.
Twas on Plasma. And I do concur that Light is a few notches above Really. Sea.Really sucks, no questions asked.
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On June 19 2009 20:54 StorZerg wrote:fan girls are going nuts lool
who is this guy?
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Ow yeah this is gonna be awesome. Good things the Z have balls. ^_^
Also really wanna see how Leta's 2port fares against non-scrub Z.
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Group A is sttttaaaaccckeeeddd, go EffOrt.
Kinda reminds me of BIsu in the past actually. But I'm sure the recent ZvZ loss against EffOrt did nothing to affect JD's decision.
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On June 19 2009 21:58 Count9 wrote:
Group A is sttttaaaaccckeeeddd, go EffOrt.
Kinda reminds me of BIsu in the past actually. But I'm sure the recent ZvZ loss against EffOrt did nothing to affect JD's decision.
How can you be so sure? Are you saying that JD picked Effort because he wants an easy group?
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:55 hk2717 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 20:54 StorZerg wrote:On June 19 2009 20:53 konadora wrote: fan girls are going nuts lool who is this guy?
Pretty boy Hwasin
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Yellow[arnc] killing some small animal tonight.
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zvz is his best matchup, and maybe he sees a rival in effort
poor flash though. good thing is he only has to train 1 matchup.
bad thing he has luxury as sparingpartner
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On June 19 2009 22:05 hk2717 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 21:58 Count9 wrote:
Group A is sttttaaaaccckeeeddd, go EffOrt.
Kinda reminds me of BIsu in the past actually. But I'm sure the recent ZvZ loss against EffOrt did nothing to affect JD's decision. How can you be so sure? Are you saying that JD picked Effort because he wants an easy group?
he was being sarcastic
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yeah, stupid internet, you never know when someone is using sarcasm
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
ahh man, Jaedong getting a hard group for OSL aswell ;( well part of it was his own choice though.
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Hey, whoa, who let this happen?
My three favorite Zerg players in a group with one of the top favorites to advance?
Where's justice? ;;
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Belgium9947 Posts
jesus christ group A what the hell
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Because I always know what's gonna happen... (haha)
Group A: EffOrt, Jaedong, Flash. YellOw[ArnC]
I love how ballsy the players in this group are. JD directly challenged his closest rival. EffOrt threw it right back at him by picking Flash. And Yarnc is no slouch either, after what we saw from Movie last week, anything can happen in this group. Except one thing. I said that EffOrt would win a star-league this season, and I'm not backing down from that. I'm sure EffOrt will advance.
Group B: fantasy, Stork, type-b, BackHo
In a toss-filled group, I can almost see fantasy's vultures salivating all over their factory floor. Prediction: The number of probe kills that fantasy's vultures get will slightly exceed the number of dumb non-fatal mistakes that Stork makes on his way to the second spot in the group.
Group C: Bisu, go.go, Hwasin, ZerO If I thought there was even a player close to Bisu's level in this group, I'd love to knock Bisu down a peg for buying so much insurance. Unfortunately, that's the point; Bisu has a great group (for advancing), and has set up a thrilling battle (for second). I trust Hwasin and ZerO least out of the three, and I've seen enough strong play from go.go recently to think that... maybe he deserves a spot?
Group D: Kwanro, Leta, by.hero, Canata
This is a really intriguing group. What it really hinges on is Leta's two-port staple. If he employs it against the zergs in the group, it'll be interesting to see how they've prepared. I expect a lot. I could easily see Leta going down in this group to superior preparation, but he's also the best player here. But I think Kwanro is the zerg to finish above him here. by.hero's ZvT is not impressive, and while I can't rule out Canata, I'm not expecting him to move on.
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On June 19 2009 22:58 tree.hugger wrote:Group C: Bisu, go.go, Hwasin, ZerO If I thought there was even a player close to Bisu's level in this group, I'd love to knock Bisu down a peg for buying so much insurance. Unfortunately, that's the point; Bisu has a great group (for advancing), and has set up a thrilling battle (for second). I trust Hwasin and ZerO least out of the three, and I've seen enough strong play from go.go recently to think that... maybe he deserves a spot?
Did you not see Hwasin's face when Go.Go called him insurance?
Hwasin will go hulk and rape this group, just watch.
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wow.....group D is crap in comparison to the other groups, and jaedong has found himself in another group of death. poor guy is going to be so overloaded with osl/msl + carrying oz in proleague
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Yarnc's TvZ is badass. Everytime he and Flash faceoff it's extremely close, I would not be surprised to see him take a W against him.
Yarnc isn't even a auto lose v. Jaedong. They have both had extremely close games in the past also.
Group A with Yarnc is way more of a group of death than with Stork. Stork would be a huge underdog to Jaedong, underdog to Effort, and maybe even with Flash. Yarnc has a much higher chance of upsetting the group than Stork would and I think the group is way more interesting with him in it. Not to mention, who do you think is more likely to step up his game for this group? Yarnc or Stork? I think Yarnc is going to bring his A game to these matches.
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As for Flash's chances, I feel like Holy World really doesn't fit his TvZ playing style at well (especially against Effort) and that Heartbreak Ridge is also going to be a tough map for him as well. Return of the King is going to be his strongest map, but it's also against Flash's toughest rival Jaedong.
I don't really know. I think Flash could roll through the group, but he can also completely crash and burn. Either way I'm not going to be too surprised. If Flash can show some creativity and flair it's going to help him alot. Also, his bionic control against two hatch muta has really really improved (games against Jaedong on Neo Harmony and Yarnc on Andromeda anyone?) so I think any Zerg trying to pull it off is going to be playing straight into Flash's hands.
That's all I've got for now.
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United States1865 Posts
Wow motherfucking group A is literally the ballsiest possible thing. Absolutely none of those player backed down and picked an easy opponent. JD/Effort/Flash comprise 3 of the top 4 players in the world and then Flash goes and picks one of the best ZvT in the world who will literally be only good for sniping him out of the group stages. That is balls of steel.
I am super super dissapointed by Bisu picking go.go. Its not even like he tried to cover it up by picking someone with history (Hwasin, for example, wouldve been ok). He literally just picked the weakest opponent available. I hope it backfires like his previous attempts to create easy groups for himself.
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On June 19 2009 23:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yarnc isn't even a auto lose v. Jaedong. They have both had extremely close games in the past also.
You must have missed their recent match on neo medusa where JD went three base against him.
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On June 19 2009 23:18 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yarnc isn't even a auto lose v. Jaedong. They have both had extremely close games in the past also. You must have missed their recent match on neo medusa where JD went three base against him.
And you must have missed their match on Colosseum II that came down to the freaking wire. Same with their match on Battle Royal. Razor sharp between winning and losing. You're selling Yarnc short if you think Jaedong is auto win vs him.
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On June 19 2009 23:26 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:18 Fr33t wrote:On June 19 2009 23:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yarnc isn't even a auto lose v. Jaedong. They have both had extremely close games in the past also. You must have missed their recent match on neo medusa where JD went three base against him. And you must have missed their match on Colosseum II that came down to the freaking wire. Same with their match on Battle Royal. Razor sharp between winning and losing. You're selling Yarnc short if you think Jaedong is auto win vs him.
I wouldn't say it is autowin, but yarnc better hope for a BO advantage or I don't think he has a chance. He actually was in a great position in their previous two bouts and couldn't do anything with it.
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omg, group A is too sick!!!
except yarnc as a left over choice.
actully rest of the group are okay but Bisu can probably 3-0 his group again.
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On June 19 2009 23:18 Atrioc wrote:
Wow motherfucking group A is literally the ballsiest possible thing. Absolutely none of those player backed down and picked an easy opponent. JD/Effort/Flash comprise 3 of the top 4 players in the world and then Flash goes and picks one of the best ZvT in the world who will literally be only good for sniping him out of the group stages. That is balls of steel.
I don't see why more people aren't focusing on the fact that Yarnc has a teammate in the other 3 groups, so Flash may have picked him as a favor to the whole team system, rather than for any matchup reasons. It's been shown plenty of times that the progamers go out of their way to avoid such things.
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At least they did a great job of no team killing in the first round...
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D
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On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D
No not at all. All the SKT1 players lack the necessary balls to advance to the Ro8, much less the finals.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
On June 19 2009 23:56 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D No not at all. All the SKT1 players lack the necessary balls to advance to the Ro8, much less the finals.
haha, served ;D
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SKT1 players showing once again how cowardly they are.
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On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D
Good for T1, then in next OSL's group selection, the four weakest players will be chosen in the first round, without doubt.
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On June 20 2009 00:04 hk2717 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D Good for T1, then in next OSL's group selection, the three weakest players will be chosen in the first round, without doubt.
fixed.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On June 19 2009 23:56 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D No not at all. All the SKT1 players lack the necessary balls to advance to the Ro8, much less the finals.
I'm sure they were just trying to play safe... right?
RIGHT? D:
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On June 19 2009 23:01 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 22:58 tree.hugger wrote:Group C: Bisu, go.go, Hwasin, ZerO If I thought there was even a player close to Bisu's level in this group, I'd love to knock Bisu down a peg for buying so much insurance. Unfortunately, that's the point; Bisu has a great group (for advancing), and has set up a thrilling battle (for second). I trust Hwasin and ZerO least out of the three, and I've seen enough strong play from go.go recently to think that... maybe he deserves a spot? Did you not see Hwasin's face when Go.Go called him insurance? Hwasin will go hulk and rape this group, just watch.
i'd be pissed if both bisu and Go.Go kept calling me insurance..
i hope hwasin 3-0's his group
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On June 19 2009 23:56 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:50 konadora wrote:
Would be awesome if all three SKT1 players advance and become a SKT1 finals :D No not at all. All the SKT1 players lack the necessary balls to advance to the Ro8, much less the finals.
You kidding? They lack the balls to pick real opponents. BackHo??? GO.GO!?!? WTF fantasy/Bisu, you are two of the best players in this tournament, and you fucking pick BackHo and go.go??!!?!?! T_T
That said, SO looking forward to Group A.
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jaedong picked a different, terran opponent at first before switching his choice to effort. does anyone know who that was?
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On June 20 2009 00:38 skronch wrote:
jaedong picked a different, terran opponent at first before switching his choice to effort. does anyone know who that was?
i think it was flash.
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On June 20 2009 01:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
no, go.go
ah then he upgraded which is nice
though a jaedong go.go. hwasin group might be interesting
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Sad groups for zerg fanboys =(. I hope Bisu gets no-lube anally-raped in the group stages, as he did in the last MSL. He must be really desperate for an OSL title... picking go.go.?!
Backho will win this OSL!
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Have any netizens commented on the group-selection? (preferably the SKT1 picks)
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United States20661 Posts
T1 players are so cowardly.
Consistently so.
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That's really impressive how every groups are really balanced. According to me, the most interesting will be the A, B and C. We can find many players with good achievements in the past. The C is my favourite one. Good luck [tlpd#players#125#P]Bisu[/tlpd!!!
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On June 20 2009 02:01 Patrio wrote:
Have any netizens commented on the group-selection? (preferably the SKT1 picks)
- Group A.. Group of Death;;
- Is Group A crazy?
- Flash, why did you choose Yarnc? Why not Stork?
- The insurance fight will occur on Outsider again.. kekeke
- ZerO advances from Group C keke
- Stork must be auto-advance hehe
- If Stork had 2 Zergs in his group, he'll be giving them (Jaedong, ZerO) one wins each automatically.
- Wow, Group A is really the Group of Death.
Nope, nothing about SKT1 players.
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Wait, do we know the schedule of games and maps already?
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Thoughts:
- Light is awesome. (Not really relevant, but must be said.) So is Calm.
- With all the hype of Zerg players having testicles of basketball sizes, you missed another baller: BackHo's pick of type-b. Okay, so if he was really gutsy he'd have picked Flash, but everyone knows his weakest MU is vsZ, so I'd have expected him to choose Stork, in all honesty.
- I almost found myself rooting for go.go in the MSL... and then he called Hwasin insurance when Hwasin's probably a better player. Way to lose my sympathy.
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Lol
"그리고 그 노래 내용이 자위 에 관련된거다. 한심하긴."
Touch me~~~~
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A Jaedong, Effort, Flash tiebreaker set would be friggin epic.
I really hope one of these three wins this osl--they deserve it...
Also, I'm going out on a limb and predicting Effort and Flash out of A.
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Won't miss a match of group A
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Group A is going to be very interesting. I would laugh though if every single game was cheese. Everyone would just be like "WTF"
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On June 20 2009 04:31 Apex wrote:
Group A is going to be very interesting. I would laugh though if every single game was cheese. Everyone would just be like "WTF"
i want to see some hyper agressive style play from jaedong in his zvz's.
and other such feats as, no spire wins, huge bo differences.
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On June 20 2009 04:31 Apex wrote:
Group A is going to be very interesting. I would laugh though if every single game was cheese. Everyone would just be like "WTF"
How the hell do you know how i would react, stop talking nonsense
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wow. group A is insane. and bisu is a wuss. go.go? seriously?
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Jaedong is in the group of death in both tournaments
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On June 19 2009 23:41 bludragen88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:18 Atrioc wrote:
Wow motherfucking group A is literally the ballsiest possible thing. Absolutely none of those player backed down and picked an easy opponent. JD/Effort/Flash comprise 3 of the top 4 players in the world and then Flash goes and picks one of the best ZvT in the world who will literally be only good for sniping him out of the group stages. That is balls of steel.
I don't see why more people aren't focusing on the fact that Yarnc has a teammate in the other 3 groups, so Flash may have picked him as a favor to the whole team system, rather than for any matchup reasons. It's been shown plenty of times that the progamers go out of their way to avoid such things.
This is a very good point!
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On June 19 2009 23:41 bludragen88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 23:18 Atrioc wrote:
Wow motherfucking group A is literally the ballsiest possible thing. Absolutely none of those player backed down and picked an easy opponent. JD/Effort/Flash comprise 3 of the top 4 players in the world and then Flash goes and picks one of the best ZvT in the world who will literally be only good for sniping him out of the group stages. That is balls of steel.
I don't see why more people aren't focusing on the fact that Yarnc has a teammate in the other 3 groups, so Flash may have picked him as a favor to the whole team system, rather than for any matchup reasons. It's been shown plenty of times that the progamers go out of their way to avoid such things.
This is definitely true. I'm sure Flash picked Yarnc for this exact reason. How else did all 7 CJ players end up in different groups for MSL? The progamers are manner enough to have an unspoken rule about spreading out teammates.
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Questions about brackets. Can A-B group winners meet in Finals or is it only A/B vs C/D for a finals?
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Group A:
(Z)Jaedong chooses (Z)EffOrt
Group B:
(T)fantasy chooses (P)BackHo
Group C:
(P)Bisu chooses (T)go.go
Group D:
(Z)by.hero chooses (T)Leta
Ok i just have to lol that... jaedong chossing effort one of the strongest players and the zerg that beated him (and effort is on fire) fantasy choosing backho hes not that bad by.hero choosing LETA strong terran player hites' ace and bisu choosing go.go............. i think bisu just want to advance de easy way lol anyway sick grouping jaedon is on 2 death groups in the msl and osl
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On June 19 2009 18:34 skronch wrote:epic 2038th post?
lolololol
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United States13896 Posts
Wow, Flash has to go up against the three best ZvTers in the world right now. It sucks only one of Flash/Jaedong/EffOrt are going to make it to the quarterfinals
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Jaedong picked Effort for revenge from PL imo.
mess of a group there.
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Jaedong's choice makes perfect sense. Effort, for all of his win streak, is a Zerg. And Jaedong has the best possible chance against Zerg. Any Zerg. Yes, Jaedong lost a game to Effort, but he lost a game to hyvaa. Should Jaedong cower in fear of hyvaa too?
Plus, Jaedong would have expected Effort to pick a Zerg, since that would give Effort the best chance of making it out of his group.
Effort decided to counter that by picking Flash. Now, this is smart from the perspective that it makes it harder for Jaedong, who's weakest matchup is vs. Terran. But this is stupid from the perspective that Effort's weakest matchup is also vs. Terran (note: the fact that these are each other's weakest matchups should not be construed to mean that they are in any way weak in these matchups).
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United States2186 Posts
Efforts strongest matchup is ZvT; his weakest is ZvP. TLPD is misleading.
Also I see Effort/Flash advancing. Yarnc will definitely lose vs both Zergs and I doubt he will beat Flash because of a style disadvantage. Flash/JD/Effort might end up all 2-1 (Flash>JD, Effort>Flash, JD>Effort seems quite likely) and we'd have some great tiebreakers.
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No matter what, one of Flash, JD and Effort aren't making it through, which saddens me. Hell even two of them might not make it through of Yarnc upsets. =(
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Oh wow! Jaedong Flash Effort! Yet another group of death. It is funny how it is always Jaedong or Flash getting those ridiculously hard groups. I remeber the group Flash/Bisu/Much/July which was also really stacked.
Then obviously the last MSL...
I will be definitely looking forward to watching it!
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now If only Flash decides to go Bio in his games, we will have an awesome set of matches.
I'm predicting that he'll make it through
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
@what time will this start today, sorry I'm noob at TL streams.
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On June 20 2009 09:22 Clasic wrote:
@what time will this start today, sorry I'm noob at TL streams.
The 24th is the first round of matches.
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No-one said Movie would beat Jaedong in the MSL group... guess what happened...
Yarnc beating Jaedong/Effort/Flash is a pretty similar situation. Don't kid yourself that he has 0% chance
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 20 2009 09:42 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2009 09:22 Clasic wrote:
@what time will this start today, sorry I'm noob at TL streams. The 24th is the first round of matches.
Oh that sucks but w/e as long as I get to watch JD play :D
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wow just watched the vod. anyone notice storks massive pipes
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Here's why EffOrt will win this OSL:
On June 01 2009 06:36 konadora wrote:- What did the coaching staff advice you on? ▲ They told me not to be burdened, and to play hard as though my opponent was Jaedong. I think that helped. I think my games turn out better when I face top-class players. I think that's why my coaches gave me such an advice.
***
This guy (actually anyone from the group) is going to have to play at a ridiculously high level just to get out of the group stage. Nobody else will be as prepared as the two qualifiers from that group. And basically, that quote is ridiculously frightening.
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On June 19 2009 23:01 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 22:58 tree.hugger wrote:Group C: Bisu, go.go, Hwasin, ZerO If I thought there was even a player close to Bisu's level in this group, I'd love to knock Bisu down a peg for buying so much insurance. Unfortunately, that's the point; Bisu has a great group (for advancing), and has set up a thrilling battle (for second). I trust Hwasin and ZerO least out of the three, and I've seen enough strong play from go.go recently to think that... maybe he deserves a spot? Did you not see Hwasin's face when Go.Go called him insurance? Hwasin will go hulk and rape this group, just watch.
QFT
Hwasin will stomp his way through this group
and wtf is with go.go's bm....-_-
In the msl selection he said he was sad he wasn't in nada's group cause it was a sure way to get into the Ro16 >=O
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I had a dream...Type-B will royal road the OSL
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these are terrible groups. the msl is looking so much better. group D is just laughable.
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Baa?21242 Posts
How is group D laughable? I think it's the second most interesting group besides A...
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Uhhh this sucks a fat one, having one of flash, jd or effort to miss out on this osl when someone like canata can make it into ro8 is just utter crap
these groups bar group A are jokes
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On June 20 2009 09:44 nebffa wrote:
No-one said Movie would beat Jaedong in the MSL group... guess what happened...
Yarnc beating Jaedong/Effort/Flash is a pretty similar situation. Don't kid yourself that he has 0% chance
Movie has beaten JD several times, him beating JD isnt a suprise or an upset at all. Effort wont win the MSL, hed be fortunate to even get out of his group.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:36 Fredflintstone wrote:
Just noticed this, and I lol'd
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2 isn't several, 3 after that match. He does have a positive record against Jaedong, though, which is more than any dragon save Free can boast.
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On June 20 2009 12:42 konadora wrote:Just noticed this, and I lol'd
even funnier since from the thumbnail I read it as
Jaedong: Fuck effort
Effort: Fuck Flash
Flash: Fuck Yarnc
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;D lol group A is the baller group which will deliver 2 of the best matches ever played (effort jd/flash jd)
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On June 20 2009 12:42 konadora wrote:Just noticed this, and I lol'd
that's fucking gold :D
Fredflintstone, i love you :D
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Jesus group A is stacked...
JD/Flash or JD/Effort. If yarnc makes it out of that group, I'm gonna be bloody impressed (and pissed )
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This is one of the best OSLs ever. Can't wait.
Based on the maps(Heartbreak Ridge) Bisu might finally get his first OSL.
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Norway1530 Posts
I think Canata will advance to the ro8...seriously
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What on earth would make you think that?
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On June 20 2009 11:26 omninmo wrote:
these are terrible groups. the msl is looking so much better. group D is just laughable.
What the fuck are you talking about?
This OSL as 7/10 power rank players and 7/10 kespa top 10. Then 3 royal road canidates for anice mix of established top players and up and comers. The only thing missing is an old school legend like Nada or someone like that but oh well.
How are these groups "terrible" ?
Specially sense all of them have a decent mix of races so its not mirrors except for group 1 but I'd watch jaedong play zvz anyday.
And how fucking sexy is it to watch flash play tvz against 3 of the best tvzers to ever play the game?
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On June 21 2009 09:07 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2009 11:26 omninmo wrote:
these are terrible groups. the msl is looking so much better. group D is just laughable. What the fuck are you talking about? This OSL as 7/10 power rank players and 7/10 kespa top 10. Then 3 royal road canidates for anice mix of established top players and up and comers. The only thing missing is an old school legend like Nada or someone like that but oh well. How are these groups "terrible" ? Specially sense all of them have a decent mix of races so its not mirrors except for group 1 but I'd watch jaedong play zvz anyday. And how fucking sexy is it to watch flash play tvz against 3 of the best tvzers to ever play the game?
Nothing to add. The cant remember any starleague with a similar strong group stage. Just because you dont like group A but those lineups happen and it's not bad after all since there are many very strong players nowadays.
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On June 21 2009 09:51 luckybeni2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2009 09:07 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On June 20 2009 11:26 omninmo wrote:
these are terrible groups. the msl is looking so much better. group D is just laughable. What the fuck are you talking about? This OSL as 7/10 power rank players and 7/10 kespa top 10. Then 3 royal road canidates for anice mix of established top players and up and comers. The only thing missing is an old school legend like Nada or someone like that but oh well. How are these groups "terrible" ? Specially sense all of them have a decent mix of races so its not mirrors except for group 1 but I'd watch jaedong play zvz anyday. And how fucking sexy is it to watch flash play tvz against 3 of the best tvzers to ever play the game? Nothing to add. The cant remember any starleague with a similar strong group stage. Just because you dont like group A but those lineups happen and it's not bad after all since there are many very strong players nowadays.
Oh, and I forgot every group has at least one conteder on a title:
A:Flash, Jaedong, Effort(if he can stay strong for a longer period)
B:Fantasy, Stork
C:Bisu
D:Leta
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On June 20 2009 12:41 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2009 09:44 nebffa wrote:
No-one said Movie would beat Jaedong in the MSL group... guess what happened...
Yarnc beating Jaedong/Effort/Flash is a pretty similar situation. Don't kid yourself that he has 0% chance Movie has beaten JD several times, him beating JD isnt a suprise or an upset at all. Effort wont win the MSL, hed be fortunate to even get out of his group.
Its a huge upset...
That being said though it isnt TOO suprising because Movie can prepare entirely for jaedong and the map they were playing is extremely difficult for zvp.
Jaedong will rape the shit out of him next game though, he'll still qualify.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On June 20 2009 14:19 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2009 12:42 konadora wrote:On June 19 2009 20:36 Fredflintstone wrote: Just noticed this, and I lol'd even funnier since from the thumbnail I read it as Jaedong: Fuck effort Effort: Fuck Flash Flash: Fuck Yarnc
LOOOOL
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