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[OSL] Bacchus OSL 2009 Group Selection - Page 22

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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 11:45:49
June 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#421
Outsider, Holyworld, Rotk and ?

edit: saw earlier post, Heartbreak ridge
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#422
On June 19 2009 20:42 Patrio wrote:
so is the groups finished now? Just wake up, sorry for my stupid question


Yes

Flash/Jaedong/Yarnc/Effort

Bisu/Go.go/Hwasin/Zero

By.Hero/Leta/Kwanro/Canata

Fantasy/Backho/TypeB/Stork
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#423
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.


TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.


no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.

14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?

Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)


Too be fair, besides calm playing more, his opponents haven't been too good aswell, but he is probably playing better than yarnc recently.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#424
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.


TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.


no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.

14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?

Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)



winners league > PL
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 11:46:33
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#425
On June 19 2009 20:43 Shikyo wrote:

Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record.


Cheesy or brilliant? Seriously, just cause it's cheese/all-in doesn't man it's not brilliant and creative.

What about him winning over fantasy?

Besides, record means nothing next to recent performance, where Calm is consistently beating top players in all 3 match-ups, giving him a much better confidence level and much better overall condition than Yarnc, who doesn't even appear in PL anymore.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#426
On June 19 2009 20:41 Plexa wrote:
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On June 19 2009 20:37 disciple wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:28 disciple wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:26 Plexa wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:26 disciple wrote:
fuck this kids, KeSPa, open finally your eyes, make the seeds based on KeSPa rank so that your stupid ranking system actually becomes some remote meaning. This is dumb as hell - the tournament suffers so much from groups like A

what the fuck? This is OSL tradition - since BEFORE kespa was around. If KeSPA ever fucking tried to pull that shit i'd fly to korea and personally assasinate every one of them.

yeah, lets get all top 4 kespa players in one group, let them kill eachother in Bo1 and finally have a Luxury vs JangBi final


sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl.
the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome.

and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese

This isn't a goddam single elim bracket. It's not like if effort loses to jaedong he's eliminated. The way you propose is utterly stupid. The OSL seeding is done based off of the strength of the players in the OSL. (And if you look at the OSL KeSPA points you will see that they line up exactly with the seeding (because thats how they earn the points)). Another example, in Bacchus 07 Flash lost to Stork in Group C, they both qualified out of the group however, and ended up in the finals.

The bit you should be worried about is the Round of 8 - which is randomly generated. The group stage means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to that.

I'm going to write a good, long post where I will try to explain my points
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#427
Flash has no real "weak" match up, hed be most in danger in an all Terran group as opposed to an all zerg group. Sucks for yarnc..hes prolly not getting out, cause his ZvZ probably isnt good enough to beat Jaedong or Effort on average.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 19 2009 11:45 GMT
#428
Wow, I love Group A and Group D, awesome games are to come !
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#429
Outsider, Heartbreak Ridge, and Holy World are the 3 maps.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
June 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#430
On June 19 2009 20:44 SilverskY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.


TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.


no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.

14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?

Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)

I always thought Light had VERY solid TvZ.


he played really really cocky in the ro36 games vs yarnc
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#431
Holy World has been altered a bit to balance PvZ in P's favor due to early difficulties for the Protoss.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
June 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#432
On June 19 2009 20:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:43 Shikyo wrote:

Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record.


Cheesy or brilliant? Seriously, just cause it's cheese/all-in doesn't man it's not brilliant and creative.

What about him winning over fantasy?


Fantasy's Bio sucks. His bio games are sub 50% if you didnt know that. Even hogil raped the shit out of fantasy when he went bio.
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Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
June 19 2009 11:47 GMT
#433
So basically Jaedong and effort are ballers (with their pick) and Bisu is still a pussy (lol go.go)
Zerg Bunker
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 11:48:36
June 19 2009 11:48 GMT
#434
That's a stupid argument? Fantasy went bio because he thought he could win, and he obviously didn't. Therefore, Calm beat fantasy. It's not like because fantasy used a different build, calm didn't -really- beat fantasy.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66159 Posts
June 19 2009 11:48 GMT
#435
Holy World has been changed for PvZ balance
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 11:48 GMT
#436
Liquibetting for Group A is gonna be a fuckin' nightmare.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 11:48 GMT
#437
jaedongs group is sick.

bisu's is a joke.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 19 2009 11:48 GMT
#438
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.


TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.


no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.

14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?

Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)

Light has been quite impressive as of late. Beating him is still far, FAR more impressive than beating go.go 3 times...
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
June 19 2009 11:49 GMT
#439
Watch as poor Yarnc goes 0-3 while JD, Flash, Effort all go 2-1 setting up the tiebreaker to end all tiebreakers....
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
June 19 2009 11:50 GMT
#440
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:34 Jayme wrote:
On June 19 2009 20:32 iLoveKT wrote:
lol you guys are underestimating flash considering he will be playing TvZ only in the OSL.


TvZ is Flash's "weakest" matchup. The issue is that he's playing TvZ against the three best ZvT's in the world right now. Unbelievably ballsy.


no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment.

14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who?

Don't trust statistics;
- Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can)
- The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players
- The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league
- In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality)



Uh...Lights been playing really well this year..hes definitely star quality and is one of the best TvZers hands down, mech mnm etc he can do it all extremely well.

Watching calms zvts...he doesnt appear as good as yarnc in the matchup or as versatile, I think hed struggle in a series, I couldnt see him beating Flash in a series.
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