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GTR
51695 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:36 Jayme wrote: That's the only matchup Yarnc is even winning. He's 14-2 in his last 16....? Who would you put above him? calm | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Elo rankings give a skewed measure of skill level. I agree with GTR, I don't think Yarnc is top 3. ? Who plays better ZvT besides Effort and Jaedong? | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:29 GTR wrote: sure, even though luxury and jangbi aren't even in the osl. the group selection (from what i remember) has started since 2002. i see no reason wrong with the format and the potential for a group of death is pretty awesome. and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Note that he got raped by flash last time they met | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:35 GTR wrote: no way in the world yarnc's zvt is top 3 in the form he is in at the moment. 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
And -maybe- by.hero but he hasn't been playing much recently. We'll see in this OSL if last season was a fluke, or if by.hero will be THE NEXT BONJWA OMG PLEASE. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:37 Plexa wrote: Yarnc has only trashed scrubs... his winrate is inflated Note that he got raped by flash last time they met Who doesn't get raped by flash? O.o | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:39 Shikyo wrote: Calm? ......No comment. Why no comment? Cause you know it's true? Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:37 disciple wrote: and you think the system is great and makes the tournament better? players are picking their opponents on personal matter for ages (oov autopick nada, nal_ra boxer, stork bisu etc.). Because Flash Jaedong etc were in the same group in the last MSL, eventually one of them was eliminated very early and the tournament sucked after that. Group of Death prove nothing, since the games are Bo1 and may end up with cheese like Flash vs Bisu on Medusa, another match from a group of death. Players like Jaedong Bisu Flash Fantasy (by which I mean the top 4 ranked player) must be put by default on the different sides of the bracket. You will again have very competitive groups but without the best player eliminating each other in no one gives a shit about Bo1, which can end up in cheese This isn't a goddam single elim bracket. It's not like if effort loses to jaedong he's eliminated. The way you propose is utterly stupid. The OSL seeding is done based off of the strength of the players in the OSL. (And if you look at the OSL KeSPA points you will see that they line up exactly with the seeding (because thats how they earn the points)). Another example, in Bacchus 07 Flash lost to Stork in Group C, they both qualified out of the group however, and ended up in the finals. The bit you should be worried about is the Round of 8 - which is randomly generated. The group stage means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to that. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Beating go.go 3 times doesn't impress me, but i haven't seen the games. They are probably horrible rapes. (I hope they are aswell) | ||
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Patrio
Norway706 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Why no comment? Cause you know it's true? Seriously have you seen Calm's games? He's a straight up baller. I hope he destroys MSL. Like the cheesy build vs Sea(who sucks) and his loss vs Leta's 2p wraith(complete destruction)? Sure I have. I've also seen his 50% record. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:38 Shikyo wrote: 14-2 is such a terrible record this year. Name a better one, Jaedong, Effort, who? Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality) | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Oh well, Group A is still loaded. | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
btw Happy Birthday konadora! | ||
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GTR
51695 Posts
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weiliem
2073 Posts
 Leta vs  EffOrt finals. then they can be the new rivals of tvz by generation. just pray for  Bisu to lose | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:43 Plexa wrote: Don't trust statistics; - Yarnc hasn't appeared on the HITE roster for a while (i.e. he's not playing up to standard seeing as HITE is jostling for position in PL which implies that they would be sending out the best lineup they can) - The majority of his ZvT wins are against poor players - The majority of his ZvT stats come from the winners league - In the past month he is 3-0 ZvT (vs light x2 and vs baby - not exactl star quality) I always thought Light had VERY solid TvZ. | ||
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