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I tried on the left L spawn and it seems the early builds are much slower because the best 4 patches are on the right or top Apocalypse spawns
For example, 4 pool at 0:36 is my best on left L spawns, 5 pool at 0:41
so for the fastest 9 pool, by the time you get to 9 workers there are enough fast mining patches to compensate, but for 4 pool it's just slower so you shouldn't try it because the game is often decided by the lings getting there seconds before the enemy is ready to respond
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9 pool then 6 lings then hatch -> hatch at 2:09 but I feel like it might be possible to do better
I tried 9 pool 8 overlord and no gas trick and it was a second slower (I didn't get larva blocked because overlord was ordered at 1:11. but you lose less money to the gas trick than delaying your drones)
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On June 14 2024 21:01 iopq wrote:it might look something like this: When is the overhatch drone time? 1:21 is hatchery time, when is the #10 drone time? PS: according to the timetable, zergling times are; 4 pool: 1:40, 5 pool: 1:48, 6 pool: 1:55, 7 pool: 2:01, 8-9 pool: 2:06. What are the times between bases for slow zerglings? 26 seconds is quite a lot despite map sizes. PS 2: that is 98 frames. I think you can get to any near base in that time period except 96x96 and above cross spawns.
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On April 18 2024 23:02 iopq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2024 22:55 kogeT wrote: You would need to pick a map and specific mineral lines/positions. Else i take fastest. I'm talking about ladder maps. Take any position, they should be roughly equivalent (except left might be worse in some builds)
If you mean that minerals are on the left side from the hatch - you can use the "select overlord + larva -> press stop" trick -> to move the larvas to the left side of the hatch.
Then the eggs are on the left side, so technically you can move the drones to minerals that 1 second faster. (although later on selecting them is a bit painful)
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On September 13 2024 08:01 8882 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2024 23:02 iopq wrote:On April 18 2024 22:55 kogeT wrote: You would need to pick a map and specific mineral lines/positions. Else i take fastest. I'm talking about ladder maps. Take any position, they should be roughly equivalent (except left might be worse in some builds) If you mean that minerals are on the left side from the hatch - you can use the "select overlord + larva -> press stop" trick -> to move the larvas to the left side of the hatch. Then the eggs are on the left side, so technically you can move the drones to minerals that 1 second faster. (although later on selecting them is a bit painful)
I've already been doing that, but I usually move them a second or two before I order the drone (it's pretty hard to time it, though)
if you group them all in the same place, the eggs will be in the same location making the drones stuck when they don't have a command card yet, so it's most efficient to only get them a part of the way there or to alternate ordering from not moved and moved larvae
but still, the top location in dominator just mines faster than the bottom (which is left side minerals with the #2 mineral removed and the #10 mineral added)
the best 5 are all 75 mineral a minute on Dominator, which is only possible with manual boosting on the bottom spawn when you use the #8 mineral and perfectly boost it every cycle
it's also possible on the #9 if you move it slightly to the left, but not too much where it boosts every other time - but it's not perfectly repeatable every time
the #1 and the #3 are also manually boostable by clicking on the mineral when the drone is 1/3 of the way to it
so it ends up you need to move the larvae to the left side while boosting three different mineral patches, get a lucky auto-boost on the #9 just to match the automatic mining of the top for four of the patches, and the top spot still wins for 5 drones and more
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Can we separate low economy vs high economy builds since I know most of Flash's timings are high economy, meaning seconds matter.
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On September 12 2024 03:51 mtcn77 wrote: When is the overhatch drone time? 1:21 is hatchery time, when is the #10 drone time?
You can get a 1:26 drone right before the third larva pops on the hatchery
This makes overhatch the most economical build without any blocking of the hatchery larva
so you can do 1:21 hatch, no larva block, then 2:08 third hatchery at third at 11 if you're going three hatch before pool (2:10 drone, another drone, 2:34 pool)
if you do a normal 11 hatch, it's more like nat hatch 1:31, third expo hatch 2:06 and 2:31 pool
so the biggest economy you can have without getting larva blocked is actually overhatch, but you need a good spawn and to boost your minerals
9 hatch is further delayed, you get a 1:12 hatch, 1:18 drone (6 seconds larva block) and then like a 2:11 third hatchery because you had to extractor trick to prevent getting larva blocked again and a 2:37 pool
so by the time the third hatchery finishes, the overhatch build wins against anything economy-wise
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