My suggestions:
Analyze replays of the few games that you do play.
Try to learn the most common plays people play on ladder and find out how to counter them.
Find 1 or 2 universal builds and stick to them.
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
My suggestions: Analyze replays of the few games that you do play. Try to learn the most common plays people play on ladder and find out how to counter them. Find 1 or 2 universal builds and stick to them. | ||
XenOsky
Chile2142 Posts
On November 29 2019 05:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2019 22:54 XenOsky wrote: On November 28 2019 22:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Just play the game. If you are only playing 1 hour a day, that hour better be used for playing and analysing your losses. A little micro, a little scouting, a little gamesense goes a long way. Concentrating on macro is just limited returns. this advice is actually quite bad, im sorry to point it out , but if you just play the game with no clear plan / goal / method , you will stagnate and get frustated quite easily because there is no clear path to follow, unless ure a genius for RTS games, and strategy comes to you naturally just playing the game blindlessly wont help you improve. Hey, I am no genius, but I recognise that if time is limited, a greater proportion of more of that time should be used to actually play the game and analyse your games. Where did I say he should play with no clear plan / goal / method ? I said he should analysis his replays.You can't analyse your replays if you have nothing in mind to analyse. He didn't say he is starting to play the game for the first time. He said he played the game at a previous good level already. So, I am assuming he has a basic level of knowledge and skill already. The year is 2019 not 2009. There's tons of resources available for him to learn already, what is missing is applying it. So he must know a build already and how to execute it. Where people fail mostly is in scouting and recognising when to change the next branch of the build. If he can't play mindfully, then he can't improve anyways. If you hardly ever go ahead and play the game, you aren't exactly improving at the game are you? You are just improving at a hallucination of the game. Better use your limited time to PLAY WELL. How do you play well? You play as cleanly as possible. He is asking for efficiency. If you practice 10 minutos a day, be efficient. | ||
Poegim
Poland261 Posts
On November 29 2019 06:11 outscar wrote: I don't know if even playing 1 hour daily will make you better. I play around 2 hours everyday and I still suck so bad at this game, hanging barely on 50% winrate. Some people are naturally bad and they need a lot of time to get better. Win ratio doesnt mean anythin, only your MMR is valuable. ELO system will always make most ppl ~50% win ratio bro, its only about how quick, this is why many ppl just removing and creating new accounts, they belive their winratio is bad and they ashamed. But this is how it works, when u reach ur top level u will get ppl with same skill, with means everyone after that will get ~50% win rate. Its like black hole bro, when u across event horizon there is only one destination in your live, and it is singularity or just ~50% win ratio in elo / ladder / systems. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 14 2019 16:57 XenOsky wrote: This random guy reply to a post I made 16 days ago lol.Show nested quote + On November 29 2019 05:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On November 28 2019 22:54 XenOsky wrote: On November 28 2019 22:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Just play the game. If you are only playing 1 hour a day, that hour better be used for playing and analysing your losses. A little micro, a little scouting, a little gamesense goes a long way. Concentrating on macro is just limited returns. this advice is actually quite bad, im sorry to point it out , but if you just play the game with no clear plan / goal / method , you will stagnate and get frustated quite easily because there is no clear path to follow, unless ure a genius for RTS games, and strategy comes to you naturally just playing the game blindlessly wont help you improve. Hey, I am no genius, but I recognise that if time is limited, a greater proportion of more of that time should be used to actually play the game and analyse your games. Where did I say he should play with no clear plan / goal / method ? I said he should analysis his replays.You can't analyse your replays if you have nothing in mind to analyse. He didn't say he is starting to play the game for the first time. He said he played the game at a previous good level already. So, I am assuming he has a basic level of knowledge and skill already. The year is 2019 not 2009. There's tons of resources available for him to learn already, what is missing is applying it. So he must know a build already and how to execute it. Where people fail mostly is in scouting and recognising when to change the next branch of the build. If he can't play mindfully, then he can't improve anyways. If you hardly ever go ahead and play the game, you aren't exactly improving at the game are you? You are just improving at a hallucination of the game. Better use your limited time to PLAY WELL. How do you play well? You play as cleanly as possible. He is asking for efficiency. If you practice 10 minutos a day, be efficient. Playing well against AI is not the same thing as playing well against humans. If you are happy to assume that to play broodwar well is to play against AI well, then go ahead. I'll assume that to play broodwar well is to play against fellow humans well. The AI will never muta micro against you, and it will never properly respond to your strategy. You will never be forced to change your intended branch of your BO. I am assuming he already has basic macro skills. Everybody else seems to ignore that he wrote he has played to a previous good level before and is asuming he is a complete noob who has never played a game before for some reason. | ||
PorkSoda
170 Posts
Once I get to the point that I almost never have to look at my keyboard (yes you read that right, I can’t touch type. I know, it’s embarrassing) then I’ll start practicing builds against the computer on circuit breakers or fighting spirit. Then once I’m comfortable with a standard opening against each race I’ll do some ladder. EDIT: I also got a bunch a replays off bwreplays and it’s ridiculously helpful for understanding build orders. It’s also going to be really helpful for learning good building placement. | ||
kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
On December 15 2019 01:20 PorkSoda wrote: So I’ve picked up playing again after a long break. I changed my hotkeys away from the grid, because while intuitive it’s actually quite awkward at times. I’ve been practicing on a multitasking map where you have to build a base while a zealot chases a worker that you have to keep alive, save a civilian from an island using an SCV, and break a Zerg front with sunkens and a lurker. My mechanics are cleaning up really quickly and I’m hovering around 200 apm by the end of each game. It’s a good way to improve mechanics for sure. Once I get to the point that I almost never have to look at my keyboard (yes you read that right, I can’t touch type. I know, it’s embarrassing) then I’ll start practicing builds against the computer on circuit breakers or fighting spirit. Then once I’m comfortable with a standard opening against each race I’ll do some ladder. EDIT: I also got a bunch a replays off bwreplays and it’s ridiculously helpful for understanding build orders. It’s also going to be really helpful for learning good building placement. Cool to hear. Just FYI Grid is not really good for BW as the base idea behind grid is to not move your hand, while in BW you cannot reassign 1234567890. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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chozen86
United States60 Posts
I'm around 1200-1300 MMR, and have found at my level the multitask UMS map (I think it's the same one PorkSoda is mentioning) is giving me the highest return on investment. I already have 1 build learned quite well for each MU, so am not really learning any new builds. And then every time I play vs a human (on ladder or practice partner), I always analyze the rep to learn from it. I can see improvement in my play, although it is extremely slow - easiest to tell by comparing reps vs months ago, can see noticeable differences in macro, multitask, scouting, defending vs. various cheeses, not throwing away army as easily, etc. Hasn't showed up as much in my MMR though I also watch FVPODs and VODs when I can (especially those who talk aloud when they play, like Bonyth) and that really helps me slowly and surely improve my game knowledge, which will eventually make its way into game sense as I am able to read what I see in game. | ||
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United States971 Posts
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