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Serral got an invite to WESG proper and he gets to skip the qualifiers.
This seems to be in exchange of Serral using his social media account(twitter) and his stream to advertise the tournament.
Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I know invitational tournaments are common, but in this case WESG being mostly a competitive tournament, selling a spot for advertisement seems shitty to me.
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In 2016 there were 24 players in WESG playoffs, in 2017 there were 30. Now for 2018 there are 48 players who get to play in the final event, and 4 of those spots are invites. So they've increased the number of players each year, and this year they added in 4 invite spot (on top of the 14 extra from qualifiers).
Why would this be a bad thing? And let's be real, who would you rather see get one of those invite-spots? I'm all for it, go Serral!
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I wonder how Serral would do in the Finland qualifier.. tough bracket?
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On November 17 2018 09:42 Lillyngve wrote: In 2016 there were 24 players in WESG playoffs, in 2017 there were 30. Now for 2018 there are 48 players who get to play in the final event, and 4 of those spots are invites. So they've increased the number of players each year, and this year they added in 4 invite spot (on top of the 14 extra from qualifiers).
Why would this be a bad thing? And let's be real, who would you rather see get one of those invite-spots? I'm all for it, go Serral! I'd prefer there to be no invites at all. And in case there were I'd prefer those weren't sold. Just having everyone be chosen with qualifiers would be better in my opinion.
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On November 17 2018 09:22 11cc wrote: Serral got an invite to WESG proper and he gets to skip the qualifiers.
This seems to be in exchange of Serral using his social media account(twitter) and his stream to advertise the tournament.
Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I know invitational tournaments are common, but in this case WESG being mostly a competitive tournament, selling a spot for advertisement seems shitty to me.
Doesn't rub me the wrong way at all. Serral is fresh off of his Blizzcon win so he should pull some great exposure for the tournament. They are also inviting the Blizzcon champion, not some random scrub so there's nothing wrong with that. Think of it as Serral getting a seed from winning everything this year.
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Don't really care, as the World Champ should get an invite anyway
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Since it's Serral and there are 4 invites anyway, I don't care.
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A lot of people cry when sOs beat Maru fair and square and they didn't get to see Maru vs Serral in WCS.
Now WESG gives us what we all want to see and invites Maru and Serral directly to the main event, why would you be annoyed by it? And it's not like Serral would have any trouble getting through the qualifers.
As for the advertisement, its only purpose is to call for more people to join/watch the tournament, what is bad about letting more people know about another SC2 event?
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Scandinavian/nordic got only 1 spot anyways so im fine with Serral getting invite
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On November 17 2018 10:33 yht9657 wrote: A lot of people cry when sOs beat Maru fair and square and they didn't get to see Maru vs Serral in WCS.
Now WESG gives us what we all want to see and invites Maru and Serral directly to the main event, why would you be annoyed by it? And it's not like Serral would have any trouble getting through the qualifers. I want to see Serral and Maru play against each other because I consider them to be the best players, but not artificially. I don't want brackets to be rigged or free wins to be awarded or any nonsense like that for the ideal match up to happen, and that would include invites to a mostly competitive tournament.
As for the advertisement, its only purpose is to call for more people to join/watch the tournament, what is bad about letting more people know about another SC2 event? Nothing bad about the goal, just the method.
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On November 17 2018 10:47 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2018 10:33 yht9657 wrote: A lot of people cry when sOs beat Maru fair and square and they didn't get to see Maru vs Serral in WCS.
Now WESG gives us what we all want to see and invites Maru and Serral directly to the main event, why would you be annoyed by it? And it's not like Serral would have any trouble getting through the qualifers. I want to see Serral and Maru play against each other because I consider them to be the best players, but not artificially. I don't want brackets to be rigged or free wins to be awarded or any nonsense like that for the ideal match up to happen, and that would include invites to a mostly competitive tournament. Show nested quote +As for the advertisement, its only purpose is to call for more people to join/watch the tournament, what is bad about letting more people know about another SC2 event? Nothing bad about the goal, just the method.
they are the tournament organizers ... so they can do what they want. if the community doesn't like it then they will show it. but, from the responses, i think you pretty much get everyone's point of view.
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On November 17 2018 10:47 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2018 10:33 yht9657 wrote: A lot of people cry when sOs beat Maru fair and square and they didn't get to see Maru vs Serral in WCS.
Now WESG gives us what we all want to see and invites Maru and Serral directly to the main event, why would you be annoyed by it? And it's not like Serral would have any trouble getting through the qualifers. I want to see Serral and Maru play against each other because I consider them to be the best players, but not artificially. I don't want brackets to be rigged or free wins to be awarded or any nonsense like that for the ideal match up to happen, and that would include invites to a mostly competitive tournament. Show nested quote +As for the advertisement, its only purpose is to call for more people to join/watch the tournament, what is bad about letting more people know about another SC2 event? Nothing bad about the goal, just the method. I'm afarid you're expecting too much "fairness" from a tournament that gives Korea 2 out of 48 spots in the global finals. This is not a WCS event, it's the result of Chinese e-commerce capital flowing into esports market, so I'm already glad they actually know what players viewers would like to see most.
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On November 17 2018 10:08 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2018 09:22 11cc wrote: Serral got an invite to WESG proper and he gets to skip the qualifiers.
This seems to be in exchange of Serral using his social media account(twitter) and his stream to advertise the tournament.
Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I know invitational tournaments are common, but in this case WESG being mostly a competitive tournament, selling a spot for advertisement seems shitty to me. Doesn't rub me the wrong way at all. Serral is fresh off of his Blizzcon win so he should pull some great exposure for the tournament. They are also inviting the Blizzcon champion, not some random scrub so there's nothing wrong with that. Think of it as Serral getting a seed from winning everything this year. But he didn't win everything. For instance he got 3-0'd by Maru at the last WESG.
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Yeah normally I would agree with you, but I think the fact that he's the Blizzcon 2018 Champ makes it okay. Who doesn't want the champ there, regardless of who he was? If it was any korean who had won I think everyone would think it's okay (and I think 98% of people think it's already okay)
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I think this would have bothered me more a long time ago, but I've grown more and more cynical and accepting about the fact that sports is more entertainment than competition (it only has to be competitive enough to keep the majority of fans happy).
However, I do think the "BlizzCon champ should get a seed" line of thinking really misses the point, because it's the PRINCIPLE of the act (giving star players any kind of preferential treatment in exchange for promotion) that's interesting here, not the specifics of this particular case. I imagine there's some line to be crossed that most fans would find distasteful. For instance, what would people think if WESG offered a seed to a player who's not as universally revered like Serral, but has a similar amount of reach/popularity? Hypothetically, what if they had given TIME—a far lesser player than Serral but probably the most known in the Chinese market—the same offer?
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On November 17 2018 09:42 Lillyngve wrote: In 2016 there were 24 players in WESG playoffs, in 2017 there were 30. Now for 2018 there are 48 players who get to play in the final event, and 4 of those spots are invites. So they've increased the number of players each year, and this year they added in 4 invite spot (on top of the 14 extra from qualifiers).
Why would this be a bad thing? And let's be real, who would you rather see get one of those invite-spots? I'm all for it, go Serral! if u take in mind there is less prize pool. 0 regional prize pool anymore except some countrys more competition and less money. yes having invites is bad
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Yeah, I don't really disagree with the goal, with having players promote the event, but I dislike the method. Selling a tournament spot rubs me the wrong way, especially when the prize pool is much lower. It feels gross to me. Ditto on the "since it's Serral I don't mind/care" side too, if it were anyone else I think people would think about it more and a lot of people would be upset in all sorts of ways.
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On November 17 2018 11:53 blunderfulguy wrote: Yeah, I don't really disagree with the goal, with having players promote the event, but I dislike the method. Selling a tournament spot rubs me the wrong way, especially when the prize pool is much lower. It feels gross to me. Ditto on the "since it's Serral I don't mind/care" side too, if it were anyone else I think people would think about it more and a lot of people would be upset in all sorts of ways. well there are 3 more invites so we'll see how people react to it. Serral would've qualified anyway so I don't see anything wrong with it
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It is WESG. Who cares? Thank god for the money. Otherwise, no one even knows that event exists.
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On November 17 2018 12:01 Vutalisk wrote: It is WESG. Who cares? Thank god for the money. Otherwise, no one even knows that event exists. that's true for every event tbh
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