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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51342 Posts
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Archeon
3236 Posts
On June 01 2018 13:03 LegalLord wrote: No. Because while the romance in TLJ was less bad than the one in the prequels, the romance of TLJ was in fact the least cringeworthy of the bad dialogue - whereas the "I hate sand" hoopla was easily the worst of the prequel series. Indeed, the Finn/Rose romance barely bothered me, because it was really trading one questionable setup (Finn/Rey) for another, which was no better but also hardly worse. Beyond that, my only complain about dialogue and lines from the prequels is one-off stupidities like "nooooo" and "from my point of view the Jedi are evil." Most of the other things people complain about from the prequels have none of these lines. TLJ, on the other hand, takes it to a new level. The Poe/Hux exchange, the entire saga with how Poe's decisions, all of which looked perfectly reasonable and logical in the context of the events that transpired, were somehow bad because he didn't trust some fairly shady leadership, the entire convoluted logic for why Rose stopped Finn from protecting the fortress. Some of Luke's dialogue was interesting, but was a bit hit and miss (also the best seemed to be highly inspired by Kung Fu Panda). Benicio Del Toro's dude was mostly good. Phasma was not. The prequels, all three as a whole in fact, give me less to complain about in this regard. Nah. Visually the prequels were phenomenal and TLJ seemed more gimmicky than anything. I loved all of the droid designs in the prequels and they made very nice looking weaponry and decent cityscapes (Naboo, admittedly, looked a little too CGI). By comparison the weapons look quite gimmicky in TLJ and the worlds fairly nondescript. This is one field in which the prequels beat even the OT, so they blow TLJ out of the water here as well. Plot, yes. The prequels had a very good plot. Botched by mediocre execution, but the overall story is very good. Characters? Well they both were pretty dry. Kid Anakin is IMO the worst of the bunch, a small and not very convincing Mary Sue of a wonderchild. Jar Jar is #2, a kind of pointless fart joke character that doesn't really inspire the kind of sentiment they were going with. The rest are largely fine; Palpatine is played very well, Maul is pretty cool, Obi-Wan is very well done. Their development can be fairly bland, but there's a pretty interesting bunch to work with that was well-developed in the other works in the series. TLJ adds mostly just Rose and Del Toro - Rose is kind of meh, Del Toro is alright - while performing a hardcore character assassination on just about everyone from TFA. I'd say prequels win here again. 1-2 pages back we talked about the same. I think there's a lot of good points there as well. While the prequels didn't exactly come together and "work" as well as hoped, the truth is that they're still far better than what TLJ gave us. That movie was honestly a disgrace to the franchise, one that murders an excellent start as provided by Abrams. At this point it honestly deserves its place at the very bottom of all main episodes released to date. I agree that the prequels had their strong points and that overall plot, world building and visuals blow OT as well as TLJ+TFA out of the water. I also agree that TLJ throws the curveball way too often to be taken seriously, but it has a lot of cool scenes and most character arcs are decently written, things I definitely can't say about episode 2 f.e.. In fact the only nice thing I can say about episode 2 is that some planets are very CGI but nicely designed. The characters aren't even comparable, Hayden Christiansen's Anakin in AotC is the lead and terrible on multiple levels (he gets better in ep3), there is loads of plot induced stupidity (the entire jedi council) and the script is comparably bland to that of TLJ. Hux is the Jar Jar of the sequels, but he's still far less annoying. And while I understand that TLJ-Luke is drastically different to Luke in the OT, I think his arc is fine after his starting point is both decently written as well as decently acted. Poe's arc isn't about following leaders, but about acting less rash and over-commit less, progress he shows later when he cancels the attack on the ram. I agree that the Casino-arc is pretty meh and feels a bit out of place, but it is still more enjoyable to watch and way shorter than the entire romance in episode 2. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51342 Posts
Am i very wrong or? | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
It's possible he could be a player in either the upcoming Obi Won movie or Boba Fett movie rather than a Solo sequel. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51342 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
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Archeon
3236 Posts
On June 07 2018 23:51 Pandemona wrote: So Darth Maul didn't "die" from Episode 1 then? Jesus im a bit fucked there. He wasn't "mechanical" maul though during that movie, i remember the mechanical one from the anime/cartoon actually. Hmmm, then again we didn't see his bottom half, but for that to happen he would need to be robotic from waist down. I'm just in denial about that part of the EU, Maul living is really stupid. I don't get why writers don't do sequels when they want to utilize a dead character. Especially since Clone Wars has a good format to do a story that plays earlier anyways. | ||
Falling
Canada10930 Posts
On June 08 2018 04:05 Archeon wrote: I'm just in denial about that part of the EU, Maul living is really stupid. I don't get why writers don't do sequels when they want to utilize a dead character. Especially since Clone Wars has a good format to do a story that plays earlier anyways. Yeah. Darth Maul was underutilized as a villain, but I always ignored the part where they brought back Darth Maul because I thought it was stupid. I wasn't overly excited to see that Mech Maul made it into movie canon. | ||
Silvanel
Poland4601 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Either way overall I feel like this is the weakest uut of all the Star Wars movies ive seen, I don't think for me it has to do that much with lightsabers but I did miss the Empire quite a bit imo. I think the most fun parts were with Chewie and the Millenium Falcon. Then again I am in the minority that actually liked TLJ so yeah | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51342 Posts
Makes you feel even sadder now when you know what happens in TFA | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
On June 08 2018 21:35 Kipsate wrote: My dumbass had to think for like 2 minutes before I pieced together how Darth Maul is in there, I was like wait Darth Maul oh thats possible Han Solo was younger then I was like wait but there are Stormtroopers and Empire so it is after the Trade Federation and then my friend told me some shit about mechanical Darth Maul. I also thought it was a bit cringy that they had to show off his double lightsaber. Either way overall I feel like this is the weakest uut of all the Star Wars movies ive seen, I don't think for me it has to do that much with lightsabers but I did miss the Empire quite a bit imo. I think the most fun parts were with Chewie and the Millenium Falcon. Then again I am in the minority that actually liked TLJ so yeah I don’t consider this to be a Star Wars “movie” per se - more of a special that was in theaters - but there are definitely worse ones. The Holiday Special and Clone Wars come to mind. These movies don’t exactly matter one way or the other though. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8785 Posts
My only big problem was Emilia Clark character who was not working for me, I think it was a mix of bad casting (she played part of her character like a 14 years old who has her first crush) and bad writing. She was suppose to be the bad guy right hand girl send on the mission to supervise it, but the writer clearly had no place for her on the ships so she doesn't really do anything particularly interesting; she play Lando role in the mines, try capes and do girly talk with a robot. It also make her final decision to take command of the underground empire kind of strange since her character seems both super honest and ratter a backbencher, instead of a leader. I feel like if they just cut her from the falcon, had a scene between her and Han before they left and kept the rest of her story, she would have felt a lot more like an actual survivor turning against her boss at the right opportunity and playing the mastermind/ manipulator, just trying to "stay in the game". I wonder if they change her story in the many rewrite they did for the movie Also I'm just pretending that guy at the end never existed and hope we never get a sequel. | ||
Falling
Canada10930 Posts
but the writer clearly had no place for her on the ships so she doesn't really do anything particularly interesting Well, yeah. There's also the part where the only reason Han Solo can steal from the cartel on Kessel is because they are unaffiliated with Mech-Maul's Cartel... but then they go ahead and bring along Bettany's lieutenant as a liason. Who exactly were they fooling if she was at all seen? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17192 Posts
On June 10 2018 00:55 LegalLord wrote: It hasn’t “felt like Star Wars” since the prequels. Getting that general feel right seems to be a talent unique to Lucas himself. Not true. TFA and R1 felt very star warsy. TLJ did too at times. In particular the first 10 minutes or so, and the whole thing on Canton Brent (despite that also being the most pointless side story ever). And of course, lightsaber fights with the red guards. Solo just somehow didn't. I don't know what they got wrong. It was an entertaining movie. Just not very star warsy. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
Perhaps the factor that makes it feel off is that it’s sort of as if it’s three separate fragments of a movie awkwardly stitched together, without too clear a sense of style to it? That definitely exists here. | ||
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