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On August 08 2015 00:00 rsoultin wrote: nh
i have a hard time...how to phrase this?
words like "dichotomy", "impasse", "applaud", "cite", "validate", "appease", "formulaic"
i see words like this and they make me think that either he is quite intelligent but still drawing conclusions that should be obviously awful to people of the intelligence he's trying to project
or he's prettying up his posts to seem more reasonable by using words like these
there's a chance he's town trying to play up his intelligence by using big words, but why? what's he actually saying or pushing with it?
dunnae
it makes me itchy. the pieces don't match. not sure how to explain this any better @.@
he's a smurf. does his style remind you of someone you know?
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On August 07 2015 22:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 16:17 EdgarAllanPoE wrote:On August 07 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 07:38 EdgarAllanPoE wrote:On August 07 2015 04:09 rsoultin wrote:On August 06 2015 16:57 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: Unfortunately this game will not work for me without filters.
I like FecalFeast's/Raynpelikoneet's points that Ruxxar is looking like a forced kind of silly while self-metaing but then I also like Ruxxar's last post about iGrok pushing rsoul with a bad case and iGrok's posts in general seem very coachingesque so I'm at quite a bit of an impasse.
##vote iGrok
I will not be very active at all. I'm also going to note that I'm a bit wary of Damdred and Kelsier. this is a general sheeple post yes i agree with rayn that it's awkward wording, "impasse" but you vote on grok why do you single me out, since we're asking why questions today? you managed to sheeple the opinion of ruxx who you're also wary of, didn't present a read on me, cited reasons: coatchingesque <- my read, and bad case <- ruxx's read...but didn't go into how that made him scum? hint: bad cases don't make people scum how as his case bad? what was coatchingesque and how does that make him scum? and you also incorporated two excuses into your one and only post 1. don't blame you for being awful cause no filters 2. not going to be active I applaud you for being able to summarise my post with a longer word count than the original post but this does not answer my question in the slightest and I honestly do not know how you think it does. If you town read ruxxar and the first post I made in this game is sheeping both your town read's reasons and your own then how do I end up as your top scum read. Furthermore, you cite that I put inactivity excuses into my "one and only post" but then that entirely validates the excuse when it's my only post, yet, you treat Yamato who actually has no excuses for being afk and in fact said he'd play as a "meh, dunno he's probably at work" read. The difference between those two reads in the original post I quoted is quite astonishing. okay, let's try this again how is igrok's case bad? what was "coatchingesque" and how does that make him scum? and, again...i love repeating myself...just because you parrot ruxxy and myself doesn't give you a free town pass. it means you can parrot. whoopdeedoo yamato is right there with you in my preferred lynch club answer the questions I don't know if there is somehow a breakdown in English which you quite clearly can read but how does any of that answer my question at all? You have simply repeated questions towards me that are irrelevant since you and ruxxar are the people I was "parroting". I will make this as plain and simple as I can for you. Since my post is just a parrot of YOUR points and your town read's points, why am I your top mafia read? On August 07 2015 01:14 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 01:10 iGrok wrote: Ok, so you're saying, "Do you find it interesting that RS has the same read of TS as you?"
I don't really, because RS's reads seem to be mostly sheeped off other people. which ones? some of them i'm pretty certain i made first, and regardless, how does it make me scum to have the same reads as others? is my reasoning the same as theirs? Apparently you think having the same reads and sheeping does not make people mafia so why is it different for me? Furthermore, why am I the top of your scum reads when all I've done is parrot you but Yamato isn't when you say he's playing exactly like his mafia meta? There is a breakdown in thought process here and it looks like you were just happy to jump onto a mislynch wagon. ... you are basically asserting two things: 1. mafia cannot use other people's reasons that they've read in the thread to make reads - do i really have to explain how this isn't true? 2. i should townread anyone who has the same opinions i do - uhhhh, no. i can be wrong. mafia can buss your line of thinking is bad. your push/argumentation in this direction is irrelevant, because you keep repeating that i should for whatever reason not be scumreading you based on these two false! assertions i did not spell it out because i generally assume (especially given the pretty, long words you've been using) that people aren't morons until proven otherwise. if you're halfway intelligent you should already get what i'm saying
i do not find it townie for someone's one and only post to express that much uncertainty while blatantly sheeping not just a read but the exact reasons for a read you proceeded to do it again with your pretty "false dichotomies" bit, which focused in on rayn's questioning of igrok's reasoning the next time i have seen nothing original from you except for the assertions toward me that i highlighted above where you keep insisting that i should be townreading you and somehow miss that yamato is my second preferred lynch...you are acting like i'm townreading him lol >< which is clearly not the case i asked you the questions because you parroted ruxxar and myself and i want you to explain: 1. why the case that you said was bad is bad 2. what exactly he said was "coatchingesque" and why that makes him scum because i want to see if you actually believe these things. i want to know your thought process when you made these blanket statements to see if they're anything but just blatant plagiarism it's amazing that you don't understand what the problem is and that you keep dodging something this simple to answer. you said the words. why can't you elaborate?
So if edgar is scum, does this mean igrok is town? or a bus?
I don't see the point in lynching people that help you push your agenda if you think that you're right.
I think igrok is scum and I don't want to lynch edgar because he helps me lynch scum, bus or no bus.
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On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus.
Because no one is ever 100% right, it's good if a town read supports your opinion . if someone just agrees with you but provides no additional thoughts or reads or way to read them it isn't helpful and just adds doubt.
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On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus.
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this does not make sense ruxx -_-
have you ever as scum agreed with another player? even on a scumread on your teammate? we both know you have
not to mention i've made it clear i'm not sure that grok is scum...his obstinance puzzles me. it's so bad i'm not sure scum would even hold on to it this long -_-
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Yeah I lynch plenty of people who agree with me its not uncommon.
IDK what else you want me to say about his posts I've already said I won't cry if he flips town but I just think Yamato is a better lynch today.
And why isn't Yamato on your list kel
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On August 08 2015 00:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:00 rsoultin wrote: nh
i have a hard time...how to phrase this?
words like "dichotomy", "impasse", "applaud", "cite", "validate", "appease", "formulaic"
i see words like this and they make me think that either he is quite intelligent but still drawing conclusions that should be obviously awful to people of the intelligence he's trying to project
or he's prettying up his posts to seem more reasonable by using words like these
there's a chance he's town trying to play up his intelligence by using big words, but why? what's he actually saying or pushing with it?
dunnae
it makes me itchy. the pieces don't match. not sure how to explain this any better @.@ he's a smurf. does his style remind you of someone you know?
dichotomy is not a common word and i know i've seen it somewhere before, but i can't place who
i'm not terribly interested in smurf hunting...i tend to figure out smurfs just by playing with them because i'm a tonereader anyway but it's not something i go out of my way to uncover
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On August 08 2015 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. Because no one is ever 100% right, it's good if a town read supports your opinion . if someone just agrees with you but provides no additional thoughts or reads or way to read them it isn't helpful and just adds doubt.
It's not warranting a town-read that they sheep you without a reason, but i'd let them live if they help me push my stronger scum reads. Also, sometimes people like your opinions and agree with them. doesn't mean they're scum for that.
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He made that big mechanic post so I'm waiting to see if he adds anything.
I know you and rayn have a good read on him and this activity is low even for him. so if you would both lynch him that's fine. I would prefer scott or ep though.
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On August 08 2015 00:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. ... this does not make sense ruxx -_- have you ever as scum agreed with another player? even on a scumread on your teammate? we both know you have not to mention i've made it clear i'm not sure that grok is scum...his obstinance puzzles me. it's so bad i'm not sure scum would even hold on to it this long -_-
Mm, yeah that's where my doubts come in, because I don't feel like you were actually hard scum-reading igrok, so edgars argument falls a bit apart i suppose?
It's like he agreed with your opinion, but you werent pushing for an igrok lynch so it doesn't really work out in his favor too much.
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On August 08 2015 00:44 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. Because no one is ever 100% right, it's good if a town read supports your opinion . if someone just agrees with you but provides no additional thoughts or reads or way to read them it isn't helpful and just adds doubt. It's not warranting a town-read that they sheep you without a reason, but i'd let them live if they help me push my stronger scum reads. Also, sometimes people like your opinions and agree with them. doesn't mean they're scum for that.
So we agree that someone just agreeing with you doesn't make them town.
So if you find them scummy why can't you lynch them?
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On August 08 2015 00:47 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:39 rsoultin wrote:On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. ... this does not make sense ruxx -_- have you ever as scum agreed with another player? even on a scumread on your teammate? we both know you have not to mention i've made it clear i'm not sure that grok is scum...his obstinance puzzles me. it's so bad i'm not sure scum would even hold on to it this long -_- Mm, yeah that's where my doubts come in, because I don't feel like you were actually hard scum-reading igrok, so edgars argument falls a bit apart i suppose? It's like he agreed with your opinion, but you werent pushing for an igrok lynch so it doesn't really work out in his favor too much.
i thought he was weird and i was trying to clear up any miscommunication if there was any. i didn't like his approach. and i agree with damdy that his subsequent poofedness (lol yay |o/ for made up words ^^) doesn't look good at all given his lal policy thingamajig
but i never even voted him and people paying attention would notice how i kept trying to get him to talk to me or talk about other reads so i could get a read on him -shrugs-
even if i was balls to the wall lynch igrok, though, that doesn't make his argument good. i might ignore him for the day phase as you said, but it wouldn't make me townread him by any stretch lol ><
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On August 08 2015 00:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. ... this does not make sense ruxx -_- have you ever as scum agreed with another player? even on a scumread on your teammate? we both know you have not to mention i've made it clear i'm not sure that grok is scum...his obstinance puzzles me. it's so bad i'm not sure scum would even hold on to it this long -_-
Maybe I did, I can't remember. I don't think I ever agreed with someone without actually believing in the arguments that they made.
Like when I'm scum I don't push people without honestly believing that their behavior could be perceived as scum behavior or damaging to town. My mind doesn't work like that, In general I don't like sheeping people.
Agreeing with someone and sheeping someone without reason are two different things, and edgar showed in his post that he appeared to have made an evaluation before voting.
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no
he said what we said
then he came back and said what rayn said
i dare you to find an original thought in his posts ^^
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Idk something just feels off to me I guess but I can't quantify it
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On August 08 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote: Idk something just feels off to me I guess but I can't quantify it
off about what damdy?
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On August 08 2015 00:55 rsoultin wrote: no
he said what we said
then he came back and said what rayn said
i dare you to find an original thought in his posts ^^
I do have doubts about edgar, but they're not for the reason that he voted the way he did. Maybe he plays scum different from me.
And they're not as strong as the ones I have about yamato who I would lynch 100% over edgar at this current point.
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On August 08 2015 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On August 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay now i gtg. see you guys on sunday and occasionally before
lynch edgar, or yamato. ye i'm still onboard with this @ruxx what exactly is good about edgar's posting? I liked his rebuttal against rsoultin because it makes sense. rsoultin shouldn't try to lynch people that agree with her opinion. If she's confident in her ability to find scum, then she shouldnt want to lynch those that agree with her because they're helping her push through her lynches. So what if it's a bus? a dead mafia is a dead mafia, bus or no bus. Because no one is ever 100% right, it's good if a town read supports your opinion . if someone just agrees with you but provides no additional thoughts or reads or way to read them it isn't helpful and just adds doubt.
This is true, edgar needs to give his own reads on people too.
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Day 1 Votecount for our lulzies
rsoultin (2): iGrok, yamato77 igrok (2): ruXxar, EdgarAllanPoE, ruXxar ruxxar (1): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast edgarallanpoe (3): Rels, Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast, raynpelikoneet the shining (0): raynpelikoneet edgar (0): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar edgarallenpoe (2): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar, The Shining edgarallenpoe (0):[/b] The Shining scott31337 (1): KelsierSC
Not Voting (3): Raynpelikoneet, CopCake, Damdred
Remember, don't worry too much but try to keep your formatting as good as you can remember it should be. I'll work it through but I'm using this because it's awesome and just like me
you have until to put your vote down, or I will send you a pm with some all caps yelling stuff that is all bark and no bite
Remember to format votes [ b ] # # V o t e : Name [ / b ]
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On August 08 2015 00:44 KelsierSC wrote: He made that big mechanic post so I'm waiting to see if he adds anything.
I know you and rayn have a good read on him and this activity is low even for him. so if you would both lynch him that's fine. I would prefer scott or ep though.
You liked his mechanics post? I thought it was utter bullshit and completely worthless.
It's like that post that igrok posted earlier. It's really preachy, and smells scum long way.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2015 10:58 yamato77 wrote: My Thoughts on Mountainous Setups
In another time, my best contributions in any given game were my analyses of the setup and the best way to play such a setup. Many of these posts went ignored. This one probably will too, but hey, I feel like writing it.
Mountainous setups present a unique challenge for town. Unlike many other setups, town has no roles to fall back on should they play horribly. Therefor, it is important every day to take the lynch as seriously as possible, using it in the best possible way to continue to figure out the game. How is this different from the typical mini mafia game, you ask? I'll be glad to answer.
In the average game, town wastes at least one lynch killing a player who has disrupted the game by being an idiot. In this game, this sort of lynch is really, really bad because the town gains little information, as these players are often town and often incredibly misguided in everything they are saying. It is imperative, then, that these ragey sort of player be kept at bay and summarily ignored if they go off the handle in a genuinely town way (*cough* rayn *cough*)
One advantage of this setup having no roles is that none of you noobs can claim like retards and fuck up the game! :D So at least in that regard, town has a safeguard against fucking itself over, hahaha.
I would expect mafia to be forced to be relatively active in a setup like this as being lurky and lazy is just going to make them too easy to single out. Outside of a particular meta-activity read on a player, I'd generally be wary to just go "lurker = scum" given that many town players are quite lost when they don't have informative roles and don't understand how to play D1.
I'll give my thoughts on the game by skimming for opening posts I find interesting, and looking at player interactions and reactions that feel forced or contrived. On August 06 2015 23:29 iGrok wrote: @Rels:
I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions:
I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role. This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information.
Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act.
In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed.
This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1.
This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town.
This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town.
A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them.
Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch.
Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch. C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those. D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels.
Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies.
There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender.
Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet.
We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better.
If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers.
Don't understand his vote on rsoultin at all. It came completely out of the blue with no context, after having been afk all day:
On August 07 2015 04:56 yamato77 wrote: I was challenged.
##Vote: Rsoultin
Promises he's gonna make reads but doesn't show up with jack shit except for the worthless post he made(this was 19 hours ago!)
On August 07 2015 05:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 05:23 ruXxar wrote:On August 07 2015 04:56 yamato77 wrote: I was challenged.
##Vote: Rsoultin Yamato, why did you call igroks first post shit? What are your reads? gonna read today in between TI games I will say, you asking me about that makes me less likely to read you town >_>
Like this guy is 100% mafia. we should lynch him.
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lol well
tbf
as i said, the vote was related to a joke? the rest i take no issue with
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