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On January 21 2015 23:12 Probemicro wrote: Seems like developers are getting more creative monetizing in game events/items, testing boundaries till they just stop short of being blatently pay2win. Where games once used to be a test of skill and feat to unlock events/items, has now turned into whoever has more money gets to experience more content. Easy money for the industry sure but gaming as a concept has basically turned into a different (horrible) beast from the past.
Again I have spent zero dollars and have received the air drop's goods many times. I have had what would be considered a better experience than those who have paid for the air drop without spending any money on them. Yes, in a straight forward view my experience without paying is better than those who have because they wasted their money. And, the company even gave player's an out who don't like this feature by offering a refund. Those left complaining are just looking for something to complain about.
On January 21 2015 22:57 ahswtini wrote: Can airdrops happen without anyone buying them? The wiki entry doesn't make it clear...
I think you have to pay for it to happen.
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I think paying for something that influences gameplay in any way in a "hardcore survival game" is bad. I will give it a chance once it is f2p though.
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This p2w complaints...
That is like complaining, that everyone with money can easily date the hottest chicks. Only problem: While you pay for the date, you 2 are not alone. No, every male single will join the party. You better be good! But then again, you probably wouldn't have needed to all this anyway. Oh, and did I forget to mention... You actually can not chose who you invite... Your invitation will be sent to a random girl out of a few dozen ones. Most of them are good looking etc.. but that doesn't mean that the one who follows your invitation is really who you wanted to date.
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I like how you instantly contradict your post with the reply to ahswtini. Oh well fanbois/astroturfers deny paying/p2w in a f2p game, what else is new. As a game developer all I care is the dosh that you WILL eventually give us
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On January 21 2015 23:22 NoobSkills wrote:Those left complaining are just looking for something to complain about. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 22:57 ahswtini wrote: Can airdrops happen without anyone buying them? The wiki entry doesn't make it clear... I think you have to pay for it to happen. Or we are the ones who have suffered enough from this kind of false-promises and greed. The sole fact that a company even offers a refund to dodge a shitstorm just shows that promises were made (and advertised with) which the product can't live up to.
On January 21 2015 23:50 mahrgell wrote: This p2w complaints...
That is like complaining, that everyone with money can easily date the hottest chicks. Only problem: While you pay for the date, you 2 are not alone. No, every male single will join the party. You better be good! But then again, you probably wouldn't have needed to all this anyway. Oh, and did I forget to mention... You actually can not chose who you invite... Your invitation will be sent to a random girl out of a few dozen ones. Most of them are good looking etc.. but that doesn't mean that the one who follows your invitation is really who you wanted to date. Bad analogy is bad. Let me fix it for you: "That is like complaining, that everyone with money can spawn a hot chick to date." Which then leads us to a greatly improved chance of evantually gettin laid.
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On January 21 2015 23:50 Probemicro wrote: I like how you instantly contradict your post with the reply to ahswtini. Oh well fanbois/astroturfers deny paying/p2w in a f2p game, what else is new. As a game developer all I care is the dosh that you WILL eventually give us
As a game developer you won't see any of that money. I really don't think this system will be used that often, but maybe I am wrong. The drop crates seem like a waste when compared to zombie quests. Also for me I've never been suckered in by the advanced FTP into pay for anything gamestyle. HON(gamelikedota) spent zero dollars on skins, CSGO zero cases opened zero skins bought, hell I won't even buy map packs for COD, but that is becuase I'm sick of the game before they can even release a map pack
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On January 22 2015 00:05 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 23:22 NoobSkills wrote:Those left complaining are just looking for something to complain about. On January 21 2015 22:57 ahswtini wrote: Can airdrops happen without anyone buying them? The wiki entry doesn't make it clear... I think you have to pay for it to happen. Or we are the ones who have suffered enough from this kind of false-promises and greed. The sole fact that a company even offers a refund to dodge a shitstorm just shows that promises were made (and advertised with) which the product can't live up to. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 23:50 mahrgell wrote: This p2w complaints...
That is like complaining, that everyone with money can easily date the hottest chicks. Only problem: While you pay for the date, you 2 are not alone. No, every male single will join the party. You better be good! But then again, you probably wouldn't have needed to all this anyway. Oh, and did I forget to mention... You actually can not chose who you invite... Your invitation will be sent to a random girl out of a few dozen ones. Most of them are good looking etc.. but that doesn't mean that the one who follows your invitation is really who you wanted to date. Bad analogy is bad. Let me fix it for you: "That is like complaining, that everyone with money can spawn a hot chick to date." Which then leads us to a greatly improved chance of evantually gettin laid.
They offered a refund because people who have nothing better to do other than complain found once instance where a developer said the game wouldn't be p2w and everyone cried so hard about the air drops that they decided it wasn't worth fighting and instead would give people a way out. All of this when in fact MULTIPLE developers in DIFFERENT interviews discussed air drops and how they would work before the release. He simply did not think this would be considered p2w because, well, he has a brain that works. Meanwhile those complaining ignored the several instances of the DEV team explaining air drops and zeroed on on one statement that was poorly worded.
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On January 22 2015 00:13 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 00:05 bluQ wrote:On January 21 2015 23:22 NoobSkills wrote:Those left complaining are just looking for something to complain about. On January 21 2015 22:57 ahswtini wrote: Can airdrops happen without anyone buying them? The wiki entry doesn't make it clear... I think you have to pay for it to happen. Or we are the ones who have suffered enough from this kind of false-promises and greed. The sole fact that a company even offers a refund to dodge a shitstorm just shows that promises were made (and advertised with) which the product can't live up to. On January 21 2015 23:50 mahrgell wrote: This p2w complaints...
That is like complaining, that everyone with money can easily date the hottest chicks. Only problem: While you pay for the date, you 2 are not alone. No, every male single will join the party. You better be good! But then again, you probably wouldn't have needed to all this anyway. Oh, and did I forget to mention... You actually can not chose who you invite... Your invitation will be sent to a random girl out of a few dozen ones. Most of them are good looking etc.. but that doesn't mean that the one who follows your invitation is really who you wanted to date. Bad analogy is bad. Let me fix it for you: "That is like complaining, that everyone with money can spawn a hot chick to date." Which then leads us to a greatly improved chance of evantually gettin laid. They offered a refund because people who have nothing better to do other than complain found once instance where a developer said the game wouldn't be p2w and everyone cried so hard about the air drops that they decided it wasn't worth fighting and instead would give people a way out. All of this when in fact MULTIPLE developers in DIFFERENT interviews discussed air drops and how they would work before the release. He simply did not think this would be considered p2w because, well, he has a brain that works. Meanwhile those complaining ignored the several instances of the DEV team explaining air drops and zeroed on on one statement that was poorly worded. Well and with this you disqualified yourself from any productive discussion. You seem to be totally ignorant to the development of the gaming industry in the last 5 years and seem to neglect that even Sony as a publisher indentified this as a problem (to offer a refund). Sony could give a flying fuck about some people on reddit. And you are contradicting yourself again "because poeple who have nothing better to do[...]" <-> "and everyhone cried so hard about [...]" what now? a brainless minority or a brainless majority? Well in essence; you say everyone who doesn't agree with you has no brain.
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On January 22 2015 00:24 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 00:13 NoobSkills wrote:On January 22 2015 00:05 bluQ wrote:On January 21 2015 23:22 NoobSkills wrote:Those left complaining are just looking for something to complain about. On January 21 2015 22:57 ahswtini wrote: Can airdrops happen without anyone buying them? The wiki entry doesn't make it clear... I think you have to pay for it to happen. Or we are the ones who have suffered enough from this kind of false-promises and greed. The sole fact that a company even offers a refund to dodge a shitstorm just shows that promises were made (and advertised with) which the product can't live up to. On January 21 2015 23:50 mahrgell wrote: This p2w complaints...
That is like complaining, that everyone with money can easily date the hottest chicks. Only problem: While you pay for the date, you 2 are not alone. No, every male single will join the party. You better be good! But then again, you probably wouldn't have needed to all this anyway. Oh, and did I forget to mention... You actually can not chose who you invite... Your invitation will be sent to a random girl out of a few dozen ones. Most of them are good looking etc.. but that doesn't mean that the one who follows your invitation is really who you wanted to date. Bad analogy is bad. Let me fix it for you: "That is like complaining, that everyone with money can spawn a hot chick to date." Which then leads us to a greatly improved chance of evantually gettin laid. They offered a refund because people who have nothing better to do other than complain found once instance where a developer said the game wouldn't be p2w and everyone cried so hard about the air drops that they decided it wasn't worth fighting and instead would give people a way out. All of this when in fact MULTIPLE developers in DIFFERENT interviews discussed air drops and how they would work before the release. He simply did not think this would be considered p2w because, well, he has a brain that works. Meanwhile those complaining ignored the several instances of the DEV team explaining air drops and zeroed on on one statement that was poorly worded. Well and with this you disqualified yourself from any productive discussion. You seem to be totally ignorant to the development of the gaming industry in the last 5 years and seem to neglect that even Sony as a publisher indentified this as a problem to offer a refund. Sony could give a flying fuck about some people on reddit. And you are contradicting yourself again "because poeple who have nothing better to do[...]" <-> "and everyhone cried so hard about [...]" what now? a brainless minority or a brainless majority? Well in essence; you say everyone who doesn't agree with you has no brain.
They didn't identify anything or else it would have been out of the game before release. They received so many complaints that they decided after it released to offer a refund. Sony might not care about a few people, but those who whined, whined enough about one instance where someone directly said not p2w and harped on it so much that they decided to refund even though they completely 100% described how air drops would work MONTHS before release. Also I would go with a brainless vocal minority. My guess is you haven't played the game, which is fine. Let me tell you my experience, full servers despite the air drops, people receiving agricultural air drops where most people complain about them having guns, key quests from zombies which give you 100% more than a military style air drop. And, yes by comparison, I AM indeed saying that anyone who considers this model P2W when compared to actual P2W games has no brain.
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On January 21 2015 11:40 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 08:18 -Archangel- wrote:On January 20 2015 23:12 FeyFey wrote:so pay wait till they shot each other and then shot the survivors . But considering those supply drops p2w is a bit silly. It is a snowball mechanic though. Actually anyone with a brain with get together with 3 friends, buy 4 tickets, and make sure each player gets one of those while other 3 fight off others there. The feature is still p2w but promotes teamplay at least. Still not p2w. Like look up Pay to win games, this is far from it. If you could buy weapons and have them asap I would agree. No, your rationalization efforts don't work on me. I been around gaming too long.
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And how long after release do you think it will be that they patch the crates so the person that pays is guaranteed them?? They already broke one promise when they said they wouldn't sell in game items like weapons etc. I'm with Archangel on this. How many times do we see the same cycle from devs, breaking promises and then just continuing on as if nothing happened? People still always defend them and continue to throw money at them.
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I dont even get why people are so excited over this game. What features does it have that DayZ doesn't?
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On January 22 2015 01:11 Warri wrote: I dont even get why people are so excited over this game. What features does it have that DayZ doesn't?
DayZ has been in development for forever and a year and still isn't really an adequate zombie survival game. It has done military simulation very well, but a lot of people aren't satisfied with the experience or have been burned out on it. DayZ has the potential to be amazing, but they are moving sloooooow.
I haven't played it, but I've heard H1Z1 described as a more arcade-like DayZ with actual working zombies and much larger servers. Aside from the launch issues and p2w aspect, which is always subject to tweaking in early access, it has received pretty positive feedback overall from what I have seen.
On that note, people saying air drops are not currently p2w are kidding themselves. You can narrowly define p2w however you want, but the basic definition is paying real-life money for power. That's exactly what air drops are. In their perfect world, and it may be that they can achieve this, every air drop is heavily contested and it is unlikely that the person who spent the money walks away with the whole crate, but you are still paying real money to have supplies put into the world in a survival simulation. The more times that is done, the more powerful everyone gets.
There are varying degrees of P2W, but anything aside from buying cosmetics in an early access game that also has a purchase price should be looked at closely and with scrutiny.
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On January 22 2015 00:53 Jockmcplop wrote: And how long after release do you think it will be that they patch the crates so the person that pays is guaranteed them?? They already broke one promise when they said they wouldn't sell in game items like weapons etc. I'm with Archangel on this. How many times do we see the same cycle from devs, breaking promises and then just continuing on as if nothing happened? People still always defend them and continue to throw money at them.
Broke what promise. You cannot buy in game item. You can pay for an air drop. Which will occur, somewhere in the map, which takes forever to hit the ground, that has zombies, that all players on the server can loot, that has only a small chance of containing a weapon. There was no promise that you cannot buy an air drop, because long before release there were interviews about how the drop system would work. The exact details btw not just hints. Full blown you knew EXACTLY how it would work. So, no promise was broken, and your fear of them changing air drops is irrational and stupid (I only say stupid because ignorant implies that you never had a chance to learn). Also these aren't cycles from "devs" if someone else lied to you it was a gaming company that wanted more money. I forget where sony has done this in the past you mind providing me with examples? Also the patch yesterday took the previous air drop, make the airplane slower, the case drop more slowly, and nerfed the gear inside the cases, so much so that if you waste money on an airdrop, I consider you a moron. You will spend money to not receive and die in the process of getting loot that isn't worth your time.
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On January 22 2015 01:11 Warri wrote: I dont even get why people are so excited over this game. What features does it have that DayZ doesn't?
Frames, so many more frames per second. More players (though might get annoying later on). Decent crafting and base building. Cars Quick gameplay style. In game events other than the air drops.
Now TBH Dayz should offer most of this once it is complete, but this game as is feels more complete. In the end though DayZ will not have good crafting or base building (probably) and I'm not sure the frames will ever improve. TBH I would compare this game more to rust and then when you ask me that same question I would say not really anything other than real towns to loot.
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On January 22 2015 01:11 Warri wrote: I dont even get why people are so excited over this game. What features does it have that DayZ doesn't?
its biggest selling point is that it actually runs well and has been live for less than a week. dayz has been stomping around for a year now, with what must be millions of dollars behind it, and is still a constantly desyncing, buggy and weirdly unfocused mess of a game. I say that with years of experience with the mod and SA and with more than a bit of love, but it's gotten to the point where I can't take the abuse anymore and am totally willing to jump to a more generic engine that makes engaging in the basic survival genre elements a lot more tolerable.
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On January 22 2015 02:15 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 01:11 Warri wrote: I dont even get why people are so excited over this game. What features does it have that DayZ doesn't? its biggest selling point is that it actually runs well and has been live for less than a week. dayz has been stomping around for a year now, with what must be millions of dollars behind it, and is still a constantly desyncing, buggy and weirdly unfocused mess of a game. I say that with years of experience with the mod and SA and with more than a bit of love, but it's gotten to the point where I can't take the abuse anymore and am totally willing to jump to a more generic engine that makes engaging in the basic survival genre elements a lot more tolerable.
You're already trying to survive in game, you don't need the game's engine, net code working against you too!
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The p2w in this game is so amazing. Best feeling in the world when someone pays money for something and you can steal it. Adds an awesome feature to the game every time we hear a plane fly overhead on the server. I've played close to 20 hours already so well worth the 20 bucks spent, and with each patch the game gets better and better. Me and my friends haven't had this much fun in a long time.
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Except for P2W part the game does seem best at the genre at the moment. It would be better if they charged for it and/or have pure cosmetic stuff to buy like in CS:GO and have these airdrops server events that happen in certain situations.
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Wow imagine if you could pay money in DOTA to spawn a double damage rune in 30 seconds but people defend it saying well you can still contest for it even if you didn't pay for it
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