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I have been using Keycraft (programm thats allows to change hotkeys) for more than 2 years now and i just saw it'w forbidden on iccup, considered as a third party programm (so is apm live for eq).
My first point was not to have any advantage from it, it's a bit complicated but i learnt bw on english version , then had a new cd with french version and so i was never really used to any version so i made like a "mix" fra/eng hk with thoses i used the most . + I made many shortcuts on S , essentially all important powers like stim, siege, storm..etc
Some days ago when i saw it was forbidden i began to think if it was "hacky" or not. Personnally i don't think so, if u consider there are tons of bw versions with better or wors shortcuts and also some ppl can use very good mouses keyboard and customed keyboards.
Also i think i would have nearly exactly same control with english version if i was as used as i'm to my keys. Still it would take long "to relearn" english version and to break old automatisms.
I have always been a legit player , so i wanted your opinion about it, is this hacky or not?
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Belgium9937 Posts
DJEtterStyle does this too, and nobody is as hacky as undi. Ditch it
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51146 Posts
i reckon keycraft makes you a worser player, but thats just my opinion
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i think its a total preference thing, and doubt it makes you any worse at playing....
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It's not going to make you any worse but it's kind of lame. I had set it up to that many units functions were on T so I could siege and drop mines with the same button etc.
I felt like it wasn't fair because other people didn't know about it or didn't have the option immediately available to them to rebind their keys, so I stopped
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I use it... dunno if it makes me a better or worse player, it just feels better to build probe on s etc... And because it dont give you some kind of ingame advantage over your opponent it should'nt be considerd a hack imo...
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United States22883 Posts
It could give you an in game advantage if you did what lake described, or even just by putting all the keys close to each other. Moving "p" to the left side of the keyboard for a Toss player is the most obvious one.
it just feels better to build probe on s Of course, because hitting p is a pain in the ass when everything else is on the other side, BUT it's a pain in the ass for everyone. So you do get an advantage from doing that.
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that's a void point; just because everyone suffer the same doesn't mean that's starcraft's intention to make people suffer. i've always used keycraft sine like 4 years ago and i didn't have any problem with iccup.
imo, rebinding your key don't give you that mur ch an advantage. it might make a D- player to a D player but it won't make a D player a B player if you get what i mean.
even after all these years i start to think the original key setting are really optimal because you need to use all the number keys for macro and micro, if you rebind all your keys to one side it makes your hand lazy. you will suffer in the long run.
and no it's not a hack when you consider the differnt keybinds for different language. if it was blizzard's intention to force the issue like the mass building selection then they would have introduced a standard for everyone.
so anyway you look at it, anti-keycrafters' argument just don't hold on. keycraft wasn't even made by a hacker, i thought it was made from guys from the same camp of bwprogrammers aka the jedis of bw programming.
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you could even get one of those keyboard that comes with its own remappers or even do what boxerd did, plug out the keys. you bypass the bw software completely while achieving the same thing. -_-
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On December 31 2007 23:57 haduken wrote:
even after all these years i start to think the original key setting are really optimal because you need to use all the number keys for macro and micro, if you rebind all your keys to one side it makes your hand lazy. you will suffer in the long run.
yes , ithink ur true , in fact it s just bad for multitask improvement since i m not used to put my finger everywhere so i think its the same.
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United States22883 Posts
You really don't think rebinding stuff like irradiate to QWER would give an advantage? I'd gladly take that. Or all of the defiler keys is a nice row together.
that's a void point; just because everyone suffer the same doesn't mean that's starcraft's intention to make people suffer. Everyone suffers by having to mine manually as well. We should stop the suffering!
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lol for all we know some guy with a italian version of bw have irradiate on W so is that an advantage you tell me?
you are trying to impose a standard for everyone when there is and was none. your only leverage is blizzard's lazyiness in implementing an official keycraft for starcraft like they did for war3. don't hate the players man, hate the game and hate blizzard!
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United States22883 Posts
So because they made a UI change in WC3, they meant for it in SC? I guess you just gave a vote for MBS.
Someone could buy the Italian version of BW to get an unfair advantage of Irradiate, but the chances of that happening are far, far less than someone using Keycraft. Yeah, MBS is a much bigger advantage than rebinding keys, but both are still advantages over people who play the default game, as Blizzard designed it.
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rebinding keys is customization
for all you know i could have a totally different keyboard layout
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different languages of BW have different hotkeys, I see no problem with changing your keys, my only worry would be if I was allowed to do it at a LAN or not and therefore would practice with these new keys while and then be fucked when If I was forced to use the old again.
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For every beneficial difference in a differently localized version of BW I'm sure there's one key that sucks as bad as the many hard to reach keys in the NA version.
WIth Keycraft you're changing every key to something that gives you an advantage over the regular keys. You can bind every key to the same button, and instead of your tank, m&m and vessel micro making you hit T, I, O, you're hitting E E E. No version of BW gives you that kind of advantage, so drop the localization argument.
I personally have NOTHING against key binding, if it was in the game, or if it was part of a universally used plug in. If the iccup plugin had keybinding built in, and everyone on iccup was aware of it and had the option of using it, I would support it. However as it stands very people know about keycraft and it's not integral to the game so to me it's an unfair advantage.
If it was something everyone used and everyone knew about I'd be ok using it too, but I felt kinda lame knowing people were playing with the real hotkeys
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lol i dont know what to think now..i m so used to theses keys, i tried this afternoon and it was like " welcome back to 2 yars ago"..it will take months for me to get used to new keys
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imo, rebinding your key don't give you that mur ch an advantage. it might make a D- player to a D player but it won't make a D player a B player if you get what i mean. If it's not much of an advantage, stop doing it? The only reason you do it is because it IS an advantage. Honestly, I don't care if you do it for casual gaming; but if you're going to pretend to be competitive, you have to stop doing it. This is obvious. Until every player in every professional league in Korea is allowed to customise their keys, iCCup (which obviously attempts to mimic pro-sc scene, just like PGT) is going to continue to disallow it.
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lol i lost 7 games in a row, mostly vs noobs, i just can't play without it. Call me a hacker, i know it's false,whatever,i'm sure i would have 99.5 % of my level if i had never play with theses keys but played with english version. It would take months to have same level without my keys, i don't have time.
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