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On June 27 2014 08:24 slOosh wrote:
Snickers if Lazer flips town we can deal with it then.
GG. Nice waste of 72 hours bro.
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On June 27 2014 08:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:24 slOosh wrote:
Snickers if Lazer flips town we can deal with it then. GG. Nice waste of 72 hours bro.
Don't give up. Keep talking. Keep giving reads. We need to play on after you're dead. If you're town, don't be mad. be vigilant. Tell me something I acn use tomorrow; anything.
On June 27 2014 08:21 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:11 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:08 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:03 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:01 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 07:45 YouKnowZhou wrote:Release, you've said (link) multiple (link) times (link) over the past few days that you want to lynch one of me/lm first, then if that person flips town, lynch Koshi. Here's my question for you: If LM flips town, would you lynch me next or Koshi? What if LM flips scum? If these answers are different from each other, why? What about Koshi do you like that makes you not want to lynch him over LM? Right now we are 7 alive, with 2 scum. If we mislynch today we go into 3-2 lylo. If you have 3 scumreads and worried you might be wrong, and that 2 of them are town and 1 scum, the order you lynch them in matters a lot. So why are you eager to lynch me over Koshi today, but would reconsider if and only if LM flips town? I don't understand your thought process here. Please respond before the flip. At this point, since Koshi has not returned since the Korea Belgium game, and he is probably asleep (earlier than he has been in past days), his lack of input is more harmful as compared to you who is always around the deadline. I'd probably lynch Koshi first (but of course I would have to consider his next day input). Since the end of day 2, LM's play seems to be characteristic of try to get someone lynched (particularly SloOsh whom I thought was unreasonably thrown into his scumlist when Koshi questioned him, and when LM made his bigger post. You have been on my scumlist since Day 1. I thought that was awful play, and I still think it is awful play to ignore everyone and just hide behind "Kenpachi rule is God" So when you were talking about Koshi as a third consideration over an LM/YKZ lynch if one of the two of us flips town, what you really meant was that you wanted to lynch LM first, then decide between me and koshi? Or am I misunderstanding your priorities here? Lynch whichever of you I thought was scummier. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped town, then decide between Koshi and the other. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped mafia, then lynch the other. it just so happens to be that "scummier" is LM today, and "the other" is by default, you (YKZ) Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm just confused because 2 hours ago you said this: On June 27 2014 05:42 Release wrote:
Koshi is the mafia candidate outside you and YKZ that would become a lynch candidate if you or YKZ flip town. His play this game has not been particularly good (and at times absolutely useless). However, I still think that his play has been more meaningful than your's. But this makes sense. In your mind, you are thinking "I expect YKZ and LM to be scum together. A large amount of my scumread on them is an associative tell between unflipped players. If one of them flips town, my scumread on the other becomes weaker, more on par with my scumread on Koshi-- so I'll need to re-evaluate." Is that accurate? Not quite. It's not that my scumread on the other becomes weaker. It's the fact that there are 2 mafia left. It is stupid for me not to consider who the other mafia might be, therefore I must decide between the two remaining mafia. I think you might be reading too much into "I would probably lynch Koshi tomorrow." That is contingent upon his contributing nothing at the end of today and not doing anything tomorrow. Like I said: "(but of course I would have to consider his next day input)."
Fair enough. Take a moment, if you would, to look at how Koshi and how LM have played today. Has LM tried to get basically anyone who's not him lynched? Yeah, but I can't blame him.
But at least Koshi is giving reads. He wants town to go onw hen he dies. And Koshji? Koshi has done literally nothing but complain about possibly being lynched, defending himself, voting LM,a nd as asoon as it's clear his life is no longer in imminent danger, Koshi is GONE. He doesn't care about what happens. Yeah, he's probably REALLY actually watching soccer games and stuff, but look. The guy only defends himself and gets pissy about potentially getting lynched. Who here has been the better townie?
The answer is LM. We should lynch Koshi today.
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So anyone thought that YKZ is trying to save Lazer so much because if lazer flips scum we would all most likely go after him. His push style has found a weakness. Also the comment sloosh made about we will take about it later is prty scummy. One of the many reasons I am lynching Lazer.
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Lm, you briefly voted Chez here: (link). Could you explain the reasoning behind your vote and your general read on chez? Since he's not the cop, we need to make sure we have a good read on him going into LYLO. What do you really think of him? Remember, as far as we know, Artanis saved this guy from a KP during N2.
On June 27 2014 08:21 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:11 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:08 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:03 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:01 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 07:45 YouKnowZhou wrote:Release, you've said (link) multiple (link) times (link) over the past few days that you want to lynch one of me/lm first, then if that person flips town, lynch Koshi. Here's my question for you: If LM flips town, would you lynch me next or Koshi? What if LM flips scum? If these answers are different from each other, why? What about Koshi do you like that makes you not want to lynch him over LM? Right now we are 7 alive, with 2 scum. If we mislynch today we go into 3-2 lylo. If you have 3 scumreads and worried you might be wrong, and that 2 of them are town and 1 scum, the order you lynch them in matters a lot. So why are you eager to lynch me over Koshi today, but would reconsider if and only if LM flips town? I don't understand your thought process here. Please respond before the flip. At this point, since Koshi has not returned since the Korea Belgium game, and he is probably asleep (earlier than he has been in past days), his lack of input is more harmful as compared to you who is always around the deadline. I'd probably lynch Koshi first (but of course I would have to consider his next day input). Since the end of day 2, LM's play seems to be characteristic of try to get someone lynched (particularly SloOsh whom I thought was unreasonably thrown into his scumlist when Koshi questioned him, and when LM made his bigger post. You have been on my scumlist since Day 1. I thought that was awful play, and I still think it is awful play to ignore everyone and just hide behind "Kenpachi rule is God" So when you were talking about Koshi as a third consideration over an LM/YKZ lynch if one of the two of us flips town, what you really meant was that you wanted to lynch LM first, then decide between me and koshi? Or am I misunderstanding your priorities here? Lynch whichever of you I thought was scummier. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped town, then decide between Koshi and the other. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped mafia, then lynch the other. it just so happens to be that "scummier" is LM today, and "the other" is by default, you (YKZ) Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm just confused because 2 hours ago you said this: On June 27 2014 05:42 Release wrote:
Koshi is the mafia candidate outside you and YKZ that would become a lynch candidate if you or YKZ flip town. His play this game has not been particularly good (and at times absolutely useless). However, I still think that his play has been more meaningful than your's. But this makes sense. In your mind, you are thinking "I expect YKZ and LM to be scum together. A large amount of my scumread on them is an associative tell between unflipped players. If one of them flips town, my scumread on the other becomes weaker, more on par with my scumread on Koshi-- so I'll need to re-evaluate." Is that accurate? Not quite. It's not that my scumread on the other becomes weaker. It's the fact that there are 2 mafia left. It is stupid for me not to consider who the other mafia might be, therefore I must decide between the two remaining mafia. I think you might be reading too much into "I would probably lynch Koshi tomorrow." That is contingent upon his contributing nothing at the end of today and not doing anything tomorrow. Like I said: "(but of course I would have to consider his next day input)."
Ok, I understand. You're saying "I want to lynch one of YKZ/LM, but if we hit LYLO we need to reconsider everything and not fuck up". That makes total sense to me.
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I'm honestly pretty sad right now. I know that there are 2 scum on my wagon but it also means that there are 3 dumb townies on my wagon as well.
As for my wills:
-Anyone thinking that YKZ could be scum after this is so so so so so wrong. And stupid.
-Snickers, just do whatever YKZ tells you to. Your logic sucks but thats something we can take in postgame.
-Koshi/Release is the next lynch. Maybe SlOosh if he really fucks over.
-Chezinu and Snickers town.
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On June 27 2014 08:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:Lm, you briefly voted Chez here: (link). Could you explain the reasoning behind your vote and your general read on chez? Since he's not the cop, we need to make sure we have a good read on him going into LYLO. What do you really think of him? Remember, as far as we know, Artanis saved this guy from a KP during N2. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:21 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:11 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:08 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:03 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:01 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 07:45 YouKnowZhou wrote:Release, you've said (link) multiple (link) times (link) over the past few days that you want to lynch one of me/lm first, then if that person flips town, lynch Koshi. Here's my question for you: If LM flips town, would you lynch me next or Koshi? What if LM flips scum? If these answers are different from each other, why? What about Koshi do you like that makes you not want to lynch him over LM? Right now we are 7 alive, with 2 scum. If we mislynch today we go into 3-2 lylo. If you have 3 scumreads and worried you might be wrong, and that 2 of them are town and 1 scum, the order you lynch them in matters a lot. So why are you eager to lynch me over Koshi today, but would reconsider if and only if LM flips town? I don't understand your thought process here. Please respond before the flip. At this point, since Koshi has not returned since the Korea Belgium game, and he is probably asleep (earlier than he has been in past days), his lack of input is more harmful as compared to you who is always around the deadline. I'd probably lynch Koshi first (but of course I would have to consider his next day input). Since the end of day 2, LM's play seems to be characteristic of try to get someone lynched (particularly SloOsh whom I thought was unreasonably thrown into his scumlist when Koshi questioned him, and when LM made his bigger post. You have been on my scumlist since Day 1. I thought that was awful play, and I still think it is awful play to ignore everyone and just hide behind "Kenpachi rule is God" So when you were talking about Koshi as a third consideration over an LM/YKZ lynch if one of the two of us flips town, what you really meant was that you wanted to lynch LM first, then decide between me and koshi? Or am I misunderstanding your priorities here? Lynch whichever of you I thought was scummier. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped town, then decide between Koshi and the other. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped mafia, then lynch the other. it just so happens to be that "scummier" is LM today, and "the other" is by default, you (YKZ) Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm just confused because 2 hours ago you said this: On June 27 2014 05:42 Release wrote:
Koshi is the mafia candidate outside you and YKZ that would become a lynch candidate if you or YKZ flip town. His play this game has not been particularly good (and at times absolutely useless). However, I still think that his play has been more meaningful than your's. But this makes sense. In your mind, you are thinking "I expect YKZ and LM to be scum together. A large amount of my scumread on them is an associative tell between unflipped players. If one of them flips town, my scumread on the other becomes weaker, more on par with my scumread on Koshi-- so I'll need to re-evaluate." Is that accurate? Not quite. It's not that my scumread on the other becomes weaker. It's the fact that there are 2 mafia left. It is stupid for me not to consider who the other mafia might be, therefore I must decide between the two remaining mafia. I think you might be reading too much into "I would probably lynch Koshi tomorrow." That is contingent upon his contributing nothing at the end of today and not doing anything tomorrow. Like I said: "(but of course I would have to consider his next day input)." Ok, I understand. You're saying "I want to lynch one of YKZ/LM, but if we hit LYLO we need to reconsider everything and not fuck up". That makes total sense to me.
Naw, just forgot that Artanis saved him. Thats why I unvoted him so fast. Chez is town for sure.
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On June 27 2014 08:34 Snickers wrote:
So anyone thought that YKZ is trying to save Lazer so much because if lazer flips scum we would all most likely go after him. His push style has found a weakness. Also the comment sloosh made about we will take about it later is prty scummy. One of the many reasons I am lynching Lazer.
Do you honestly think I wouldn't have bussed Lazer by this point as scum? ._. Look man, I'm here to talk with Lazer because I have a townread on him. I'm pretty sure he's gonna flip town and tomorrow we're at LYLO. We need to pump this guy for all the info we can get out of him in the next half hour before he flips. Obviously none of you are even remotely interested in saving him, and if my goal was simply to look good, I'd find great reasons to vote LM. If I were scum with him, I'd bus him, win solo, and then spend every game bragging about how good I am at scum and how I'm willing to bus awful teammates. When it comes down to it, LM is likely to flip town. You guys are all just wrong and I'm right.
This lynch is my fault for failing to convince you guys, since I'm the smartest player here. The responsibility falls solely on me, the town leader, for failing to corral the necessary votes to save LM.
LM: I am sorry. I really am. But you can't afford to dispair now. Keep talking.
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On June 27 2014 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:59 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
And everyone is gone... Well, if it's just you and me, LM, do you have any questions or directions for me? You've seen my read list and you know what I'm thinking about, and I promise to 100% not ignore your input if you flip town. I think the list is good. The only thing is that atm I'm not sure Koshi is the best lynch. Release and SlOosh recent actions make them look really bad. I would probably say that Release is on par with Koshi for best lynch with SlOosh slightly behind.
I undertand what you're sayinga bout Release and Sloosh, but look at it this way. Right nwo, this wagon has basically been set in stone all day. Underailable, as it were. Release and sloosh at least are hanging out and chatting. They may wrongly think the two of us are scum, but the fact of the matter is, as scum they wouldn't feel obligated to hang out here and talk with us. It doesn't automatically make them town, but look at Kosh. He clearly is satisfied with this lynch and doesn't even want to try to move the twon forward. He doesn't stand out in your mind as doing bad things because he's not doing anything at all.
When you take into account the deafening silence of the Koshi, and the fact that most of his effort is spent defending himself and whining, isn't he the most likely to flip scum?
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The fact that Release and SlOosh simply did nothing is also telling I'd say. No matter how much scum you think I am, there is still a point in keeping up the work. It seemed like SlOosh even wanted to apear contributing by pushing me when it was obvious I was getting lynched. I said numerous times that I was cool with dying. I was giving out reads and asked them to ask question but SlOosh (and Release) just didn't give a fuck at all.
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On June 27 2014 08:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 27 2014 08:24 slOosh wrote:
Snickers if Lazer flips town we can deal with it then. GG. Nice waste of 72 hours bro. Don't give up. Keep talking. Keep giving reads. We need to play on after you're dead. If you're town, don't be mad. be vigilant. Tell me something I acn use tomorrow; anything. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:21 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:11 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:08 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 08:03 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 08:01 Release wrote:On June 27 2014 07:45 YouKnowZhou wrote:Release, you've said (link) multiple (link) times (link) over the past few days that you want to lynch one of me/lm first, then if that person flips town, lynch Koshi. Here's my question for you: If LM flips town, would you lynch me next or Koshi? What if LM flips scum? If these answers are different from each other, why? What about Koshi do you like that makes you not want to lynch him over LM? Right now we are 7 alive, with 2 scum. If we mislynch today we go into 3-2 lylo. If you have 3 scumreads and worried you might be wrong, and that 2 of them are town and 1 scum, the order you lynch them in matters a lot. So why are you eager to lynch me over Koshi today, but would reconsider if and only if LM flips town? I don't understand your thought process here. Please respond before the flip. At this point, since Koshi has not returned since the Korea Belgium game, and he is probably asleep (earlier than he has been in past days), his lack of input is more harmful as compared to you who is always around the deadline. I'd probably lynch Koshi first (but of course I would have to consider his next day input). Since the end of day 2, LM's play seems to be characteristic of try to get someone lynched (particularly SloOsh whom I thought was unreasonably thrown into his scumlist when Koshi questioned him, and when LM made his bigger post. You have been on my scumlist since Day 1. I thought that was awful play, and I still think it is awful play to ignore everyone and just hide behind "Kenpachi rule is God" So when you were talking about Koshi as a third consideration over an LM/YKZ lynch if one of the two of us flips town, what you really meant was that you wanted to lynch LM first, then decide between me and koshi? Or am I misunderstanding your priorities here? Lynch whichever of you I thought was scummier. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped town, then decide between Koshi and the other. If the lynch revealed that the lynch target flipped mafia, then lynch the other. it just so happens to be that "scummier" is LM today, and "the other" is by default, you (YKZ) Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm just confused because 2 hours ago you said this: On June 27 2014 05:42 Release wrote:
Koshi is the mafia candidate outside you and YKZ that would become a lynch candidate if you or YKZ flip town. His play this game has not been particularly good (and at times absolutely useless). However, I still think that his play has been more meaningful than your's. But this makes sense. In your mind, you are thinking "I expect YKZ and LM to be scum together. A large amount of my scumread on them is an associative tell between unflipped players. If one of them flips town, my scumread on the other becomes weaker, more on par with my scumread on Koshi-- so I'll need to re-evaluate." Is that accurate? Not quite. It's not that my scumread on the other becomes weaker. It's the fact that there are 2 mafia left. It is stupid for me not to consider who the other mafia might be, therefore I must decide between the two remaining mafia. I think you might be reading too much into "I would probably lynch Koshi tomorrow." That is contingent upon his contributing nothing at the end of today and not doing anything tomorrow. Like I said: "(but of course I would have to consider his next day input)." Fair enough. Take a moment, if you would, to look at how Koshi and how LM have played today. Has LM tried to get basically anyone who's not him lynched? Yeah, but I can't blame him. But at least Koshi is giving reads. He wants town to go onw hen he dies. And Koshji? Koshi has done literally nothing but complain about possibly being lynched, defending himself, voting LM,a nd as asoon as it's clear his life is no longer in imminent danger, Koshi is GONE. He doesn't care about what happens. Yeah, he's probably REALLY actually watching soccer games and stuff, but look. The guy only defends himself and gets pissy about potentially getting lynched. Who here has been the better townie? The answer is LM. We should lynch Koshi today.
My main point on LM scum is the haphazard SloOsh inclusion into his mafia circa D3. Since then, his play has been underwhelming until he was a serious lynch target.
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On June 27 2014 08:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:34 Snickers wrote:
So anyone thought that YKZ is trying to save Lazer so much because if lazer flips scum we would all most likely go after him. His push style has found a weakness. Also the comment sloosh made about we will take about it later is prty scummy. One of the many reasons I am lynching Lazer. Do you honestly think I wouldn't have bussed Lazer by this point as scum? ._. Look man, I'm here to talk with Lazer because I have a townread on him. I'm pretty sure he's gonna flip town and tomorrow we're at LYLO. We need to pump this guy for all the info we can get out of him in the next half hour before he flips. Obviously none of you are even remotely interested in saving him, and if my goal was simply to look good, I'd find great reasons to vote LM. If I were scum with him, I'd bus him, win solo, and then spend every game bragging about how good I am at scum and how I'm willing to bus awful teammates. When it comes down to it, LM is likely to flip town. You guys are all just wrong and I'm right. This lynch is my fault for failing to convince you guys, since I'm the smartest player here. The responsibility falls solely on me, the town leader, for failing to corral the necessary votes to save LM. LM: I am sorry. I really am. But you can't afford to dispair now. Keep talking.
On June 22 2014 10:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. I thought you loved me... On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. I believe I need to refresh your memory. On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg? On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? I'm not sure why you're confirmed town. Cause they said so.. On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote:
I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town:
2. VisceraEyes
3. YouKnowZhou
5. Snickers
7. Lazermonkey
8. Release
9. mderg
10. Artanis[Xp]
11. Koshi
12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town! I have never stated that I have a strong townread on you. I'm only mildly reading you as town because your votes have been in the right place in the end and because mderg has pushed you. You haven't really provided much so it's difficult for anyone to get a read on you, town or scum. On June 22 2014 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Must have missed that. On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/ Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know. Yeah, I don't think he was killed because he had a strong read on mderg. He might've simply been killed because his critical thinking was strong and I did explicitly point out a strong post of his, which might've cemented his fate. His death incriminates YKZ and Release more than you, I feel, as he was on their asses for more of the game. On June 22 2014 10:19 Release wrote:On June 21 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No Release, I'm desperate to give someone bonus points. Now stop focussing on Snickers, he's not scum. Your attention is better suited for just about anyone that isn't me/snickers/lazer. On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 21:14 Koshi wrote:
Artanis probably meant the mderg vote. If it brought Snickers in the lead it looks pretty good for Snickers. Snickers was on mderg his ass so mderg might have gotten greedy. Mderg didnt move to bh when he could, so why move to a teammate?
I am back condemned to phone posting for today.
My fav lynch for tomorrkw is VE or lazermonkey. I agree that the vote put it him the spotlight but it was so obviously extremely strange. I dont see why town would do it. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. Please explain like I'm 5 why Snickers (and you and lazer) were supposed to be confirmed town. Also, why lazer is no longer in such a position. Snickers is confirmed town because Mderg delurked to vote him last minute which put him over the edge in votes. I'm confirmed town because read the game. Lazer was confirmed town because of his late vote that felt too scummy to be scum, but I'm rescinding that because other things in his filter ring some alarms that make me uncertain if that is true. I'm going to bed now. Good, you were getting a bit sleep deprived with your reads on me. Operaton End FISH RIP is over! Unless you wake up feeling better about me. PS: Day 5 is the key.
Tonight I must die to fulfill what has been spoken.
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On June 27 2014 08:40 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 27 2014 07:59 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
And everyone is gone... Well, if it's just you and me, LM, do you have any questions or directions for me? You've seen my read list and you know what I'm thinking about, and I promise to 100% not ignore your input if you flip town. I think the list is good. The only thing is that atm I'm not sure Koshi is the best lynch. Release and SlOosh recent actions make them look really bad. I would probably say that Release is on par with Koshi for best lynch with SlOosh slightly behind. I undertand what you're sayinga bout Release and Sloosh, but look at it this way. Right nwo, this wagon has basically been set in stone all day. Underailable, as it were. Release and sloosh at least are hanging out and chatting. They may wrongly think the two of us are scum, but the fact of the matter is, as scum they wouldn't feel obligated to hang out here and talk with us. It doesn't automatically make them town, but look at Kosh. He clearly is satisfied with this lynch and doesn't even want to try to move the twon forward. He doesn't stand out in your mind as doing bad things because he's not doing anything at all. When you take into account the deafening silence of the Koshi, and the fact that most of his effort is spent defending himself and whining, isn't he the most likely to flip scum?
I mean, I would like to believe that. But he could just be bad town. Like I said, I don't really know Koshi's meta but I really think you should check him. Does he generally play like this, ie super defending and passive? Or is he actually good? Also, while Koshi is lurking SlOosh and Release seems to be trying to contribute but in reality just tunnel. I still think Release is just as scummy as Koshi.
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Ok since you two are so sure that each other are town, Why not be voting release instead of koshi? I do not understand that. I have been here giving Lazer a fair chance I feel and it is seriously annoying when he says I have bad logic. I have been the most logical person in this game. Notice how late I threw my vote on him. Within two hours of deadline. I am almost 100% positive you are both scum since you are voting koshi instead of release. You guys probably thought koshi would be the easier to get followers.
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Also, look at Release's argument. He basically refuses to rethink his read on you (YKZ) based on what happend D1. I mean, maybe he is always like this? But that just really, really bad.
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On June 27 2014 08:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
The fact that Release and SlOosh simply did nothing is also telling I'd say. No matter how much scum you think I am, there is still a point in keeping up the work. It seemed like SlOosh even wanted to apear contributing by pushing me when it was obvious I was getting lynched. I said numerous times that I was cool with dying. I was giving out reads and asked them to ask question but SlOosh (and Release) just didn't give a fuck at all.
OK, but at least these guys are actively not giving a fuck. Look at it like this. Koshi in the past 24 hours has:
asked chez for checks, defended against my case on him, voted you, said he was a vt, asked a question, and that's it. That's all he's done. sloosh and release may be grating on the nerves but at least they're playing the game. Koshi seems less suspicious simply because he's posting less; an excellent strategem
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On June 27 2014 08:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Also, look at Release's argument. He basically refuses to rethink his read on you (YKZ) based on what happend D1. I mean, maybe he is always like this? But that just really, really bad.
And you only bring this up now? I've maintained that I thought he was mafia throughout the game.
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On June 27 2014 08:45 Snickers wrote:
Ok since you two are so sure that each other are town, Why not be voting release instead of koshi? I do not understand that. I have been here giving Lazer a fair chance I feel and it is seriously annoying when he says I have bad logic. I have been the most logical person in this game. Notice how late I threw my vote on him. Within two hours of deadline. I am almost 100% positive you are both scum since you are voting koshi instead of release. You guys probably thought koshi would be the easier to get followers.
If I was scum I'd suck your dick at this point. I do think your logic is bad but you MUST disregard your feelings now. Think logically instead of emotionally. Even if you think that I'm the biggest douche there ever was, douche=/=scum.
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On June 27 2014 08:46 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
The fact that Release and SlOosh simply did nothing is also telling I'd say. No matter how much scum you think I am, there is still a point in keeping up the work. It seemed like SlOosh even wanted to apear contributing by pushing me when it was obvious I was getting lynched. I said numerous times that I was cool with dying. I was giving out reads and asked them to ask question but SlOosh (and Release) just didn't give a fuck at all. OK, but at least these guys are actively not giving a fuck. Look at it like this. Koshi in the past 24 hours has: asked chez for checks, defended against my case on him, voted you, said he was a vt, asked a question, and that's it. That's all he's done. sloosh and release may be grating on the nerves but at least they're playing the game. Koshi seems less suspicious simply because he's posting less; an excellent strategem
Don't forget, Koshi also waits to vote.
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On June 27 2014 08:46 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
The fact that Release and SlOosh simply did nothing is also telling I'd say. No matter how much scum you think I am, there is still a point in keeping up the work. It seemed like SlOosh even wanted to apear contributing by pushing me when it was obvious I was getting lynched. I said numerous times that I was cool with dying. I was giving out reads and asked them to ask question but SlOosh (and Release) just didn't give a fuck at all. OK, but at least these guys are actively not giving a fuck. Look at it like this. Koshi in the past 24 hours has: asked chez for checks, defended against my case on him, voted you, said he was a vt, asked a question, and that's it. That's all he's done. sloosh and release may be grating on the nerves but at least they're playing the game. Koshi seems less suspicious simply because he's posting less; an excellent strategem
I mean, do whatever you want. You are not the one getting lynched : D.
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You guys have no clue how to think logically if you ask me. After the game, I should post the general idea of a philosophy paper I wrote my senior year in high school. You guys assume way too much. That is almost rule one when it comes to logically thinking. You may be scum so this post is pointless but w/e.
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