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On June 29 2007 12:50 Carnac wrote: A win may be a win, but 2 cheese wins seriously mean nothing, neither in a positive nor in a negative way.
Two 20 minutes game mean more than two fast games ? Who the F**** are you to judge this ? I dont want to sound too offensive but its getting really ridicolous if we start to judge the players by the length of their games or by their strategy used. Fact is : Flash CLEARLY won two games vs bisu who is or was for a while the hottest pro gamer. And where is the difference if he wins with a 100/100 army or a 20/20 army. Can we really say winning with 5 marines and a few scvs twice means less than winning a late game ? More over who gives a shit if a Terran which is undefeated vs p's ( i dont know exactly.. 8:0 ? 9:0 ? ) cheeses a few times in those. So we still have a few wins out of these games which werent cheese.. so.. at least means something, eeh hee ? ; )
Carnac you know me i know you.. nothing absolutely nothing against you.. but this stuff in general is pissing me off so much and i can just wonder how u blame mantoss lovers and guys like these but come up with such stupid stuff..
i always hated it if people did give more credit to strategy and game style than to the simple win.. The win is the most important goal and for sure the performance matters a lot and winning if your opponent played weak isnt as impressive as if he played well as fuck, too..
but let me say it like this : Bisu didnt almost have no chance at winning these 2 games vs flash. He chose the right strategy twice, he played it close to perfectly twice and bisu couldnt even do anything at all twice. Thats exactly whats important to see how good someone is. The only lack i see are a few tanks and vults and a game that lasts over 10 minutes. So what ? Isnt it the true genius who forces the game to go in the way it suites himself best ?
ill stop here ..
and no im not even a tiny bit of a flash fan.. actually im a Reach fan but im honest and no blind mantoss lover : i knew that stork is the better player right now ( he is ). I like bisu 10 times more than flash but u just have to accept that flash did what he did..
and that guarantees him at least a spot in the Power Ranking. Probably top 5
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On June 29 2007 16:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2007 12:50 Carnac wrote: A win may be a win, but 2 cheese wins seriously mean nothing, neither in a positive nor in a negative way. Two 20 minutes game mean more than two fast games ? Who the F**** are you to judge this ? I dont want to sound too offensive but its getting really ridicolous if we start to judge the players by the length of their games or by their strategy used. Fact is : Flash CLEARLY won two games vs bisu who is or was for a while the hottest pro gamer. And where is the difference if he wins with a 100/100 army or a 20/20 army. Can we really say winning with 5 marines and a few scvs twice means less than winning a late game ? Think, dude, think. A 5 minute long marine rush cheese PvT tells us nothing about how a player would be able to manage later stages of the game with more troops, multi-tasking, pressure etc against the same player.
I don't even know what you want from me. I wasn't discrediting Flash's wins at all. Nor am I mad at him or anything. But saying that 2 cheese wins mean anything is simply wrong.
More over who gives a shit if a Terran which is undefeated vs p's ( i dont know exactly.. 8:0 ? 9:0 ? ) cheeses a few times in those. So we still have a few wins out of these games which werent cheese.. so.. at least means something, eeh hee ? ; ) I personally don't give a shit about the fact that Flash cheesed, as I just said... And except two games (vs Free @ Long and vs Bisu @ Arkanoid) his other TvP games don't say much either, because either his opponents sucked or they were played on retarded maps like Geometry (lol. go look up how the Proteams send out almost Terran only on Geo in my Proleague thread, because the map is so retarded). -.-
Carnac you know me i know you.. nothing absolutely nothing against you.. but this stuff in general is pissing me off so much and i can just wonder how u blame mantoss lovers and guys like these but come up with such stupid stuff.. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other?
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Geometry is the most imbalanced piece of crap map ever. Mot weighing into the debate or anything just wanted to say that. I'm so glad its not being used in either the OSL or MSL.
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Mark these words, GGplay will put our young prodigy in his place. I truly think that Flash has spectacular potential, but this is not his starleague. He hasn't been fully tested yet, and some of you really really underestimate GGplay's zvt and late game play. He has had TONS of epic matches and he ends up winning quite a bit of them. Flash is good, but there's no need to start worshipping him yet. He'll have his glory in the future, but this is not his OSL. I'm predicting a GGplay Stork Finals.
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The game Flash won against free in ODT was cheese as well. It was proxy raxes against frees 14 nexus on Longinus. Doesnt exactly make him any less awesome
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Flash loves to punish protosses who FE XD
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Canada7170 Posts
1. Birdtoss (Just nuts with both leagues and a PL monster) 2. Beesuit 3. Maestro.
imo.
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On June 29 2007 18:16 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2007 16:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On June 29 2007 12:50 Carnac wrote: A win may be a win, but 2 cheese wins seriously mean nothing, neither in a positive nor in a negative way. Two 20 minutes game mean more than two fast games ? Who the F**** are you to judge this ? I dont want to sound too offensive but its getting really ridicolous if we start to judge the players by the length of their games or by their strategy used. Fact is : Flash CLEARLY won two games vs bisu who is or was for a while the hottest pro gamer. And where is the difference if he wins with a 100/100 army or a 20/20 army. Can we really say winning with 5 marines and a few scvs twice means less than winning a late game ? Think, dude, think. A 5 minute long marine rush cheese PvT tells us nothing about how a player would be able to manage later stages of the game with more troops, multi-tasking, pressure etc against the same player. I don't even know what you want from me. I wasn't discrediting Flash's wins at all. Nor am I mad at him or anything. But saying that 2 cheese wins mean anything is simply wrong. Show nested quote +More over who gives a shit if a Terran which is undefeated vs p's ( i dont know exactly.. 8:0 ? 9:0 ? ) cheeses a few times in those. So we still have a few wins out of these games which werent cheese.. so.. at least means something, eeh hee ? ; ) I personally don't give a shit about the fact that Flash cheesed, as I just said... And except two games (vs Free @ Long and vs Bisu @ Arkanoid) his other TvP games don't say much either, because either his opponents sucked or they were played on retarded maps like Geometry (lol. go look up how the Proteams send out almost Terran only on Geo in my Proleague thread, because the map is so retarded). -.- Show nested quote +Carnac you know me i know you.. nothing absolutely nothing against you.. but this stuff in general is pissing me off so much and i can just wonder how u blame mantoss lovers and guys like these but come up with such stupid stuff.. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other?
so even Flash has like 10:0 tvp record, it still doesn't impress you...
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read my post again please
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On June 29 2007 22:33 Evilmonkey. wrote: Mark these words, GGplay will put our young prodigy in his place. I truly think that Flash has spectacular potential, but this is not his starleague. He hasn't been fully tested yet, and some of you really really underestimate GGplay's zvt and late game play. He has had TONS of epic matches and he ends up winning quite a bit of them. Flash is good, but there's no need to start worshipping him yet. He'll have his glory in the future, but this is not his OSL. I'm predicting a GGplay Stork Finals.
I have to agree with this. GGplay is a dangerous opponent to underestimate, his ZvT is amazing and his ZvP is obviously still potent. A GGplay vs Stork final would probably be the greatest possible test for the Birdtoss too.
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Would be today's Semi final between Bisu vs Gorush also took account for next PowerRank. I don't know how excatly the timeframe for PR looks like. Is it from 1.June to 30.June or it is just from last PR day to the day when etter write the PR again?
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Tough, very tough! Bisu, Stork and.. FBH?, top3... sAviOr can definitely still rank above Flash, but probably below Iris? And not sure about GGPlay exactly... GoRush, if his game vs Bisu was on the 10th or something, he'd be top5, but now he won't? I'd say him and Hwasin are both really tough to place. So imo, Group1: Bisu, Stork, FBH Group2: Iris, Flash, sAviOr, GGPlay, GoRush, Hwasin Then there's rA, July, Reach, Sea?... The thought of Rock actually entered my mind, but then I also have to think Upmagic, Jaedong, Chalrenge in the same category so whatever, and NaDa > Rock anyday anytime so its a confused statement forget it :-) Sea is above them all in that category anyway I guess.. somehow... This month is really tough. Next month will be soo much easier. And btw, XellOs really deserves a 'close but no cigar' mention for the wildcard group :-) Also if you mention Oov take it easy :-P Every single Terran in the entire world would suffer an even worse beating from FBH... Iris, Sea, NaDa, fOrGG, Sheis, or whoever, would all fall down easily to FBH's TvT, all and all I think everyone would agree it was an excellent Bo3 set.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
My poor attempt:
Stork Bisu FBH Savior Iris Flash GGPlay Gorush Jaedong Rock
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You guys are too hunger for the new legends. The leagues ain't over yet and you already wanna place Stork higher than two champions.
On June 30 2007 23:29 hhkx wrote: so even Flash has like 10:0 tvp record, it still doesn't impress you... He has seen these two last games. Of course he isn't impressed!
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 01 2007 08:21 InRaged wrote: You guys are too hunger for the new legends. The leagues ain't over yet and you already wanna place Stork higher than two champions.
You need to look up what the PR is for
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Everyone the next PR is inaccurate, Etter isn't first place in Liquibet anymore, he has his flaws. I vote that the #1 in liquibet be the PR poster every month XD.
+ Show Spoiler +Kidding maybe this will get your drunken ass to hurry and finish PR for July
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On July 01 2007 13:30 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:Everyone the next PR is inaccurate, Etter isn't first place in Liquibet anymore, he has his flaws. I vote that the #1 in liquibet be the PR poster every month XD. + Show Spoiler +Kidding maybe this will get your drunken ass to hurry and finish PR for July
On June 29 2007 08:21 DJEtterStyle wrote: I'm going on a road trip this weekend; the new PR probably won't be up until the 3rd.
PS- Flash won again, what a surprise
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