so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..."
but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL
then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back.
Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do.
not like OSL has had its weird winners too though
OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol
Hello zerg maps.
I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point.
I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu
On June 14 2013 02:36 Aflixion wrote: For me, the issue is more the fact that the other two WCS regions are running Bo3 while WCS KR will be Bo1. If they're labelled as the same tournament, they should have the same format.
Er. So they all should be offline. Right? And you should fall from code a to b. Right?
No, he's saying winning WCS NA should get a Code S Spot
On June 14 2013 03:13 Dakure wrote: Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Because so many people have never watched an OSL before. Really it's the only reason. People complaining about something they've never seen before. Fairly typical.
On June 14 2013 03:13 Dakure wrote: Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Because so many people have never watched an OSL before. Really it's the only reason. People complaining about something they've never seen before. Fairly typical.
but what they have seen was the RO32 BO1 GSLs in 2011, which generally were not that high quality, so they're assuming that BO1 OSL will be the same. i think it'll be alright
On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote: Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo.
The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format.
Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS
Oh thanks. Didn't know that. Strange that they would agree with something like that. :/
Not that much. OSL can ask to do what they want (up until a certain limit I suppose) for running this, since they got quite an audience thanks to being on TV. (It'd be cool if we could have some numbers about this, but still, apart from Sweden, I don't think there is another country that has SC2 on TV...)
I think people forget that OSL is a major TV broadcast company in Korea. There is a limited amount of clout that Blizzard has with a company of that size. It would be like a Ubisoft trying to push around the BBC or CBS. Blizzard can't really force them to do anything and if they want to run their own format and that is the price for showing it on TV, Blizzard has to deal with that.
These sorts of deals are not made with "Its my way or the highway, take it or leave it" stances. That is not how business deals are made. If you try to act that way, you just burn bridges.
Plus OGN has a better card to deal with Blizzard, if you watch broadcasting content on OGN channel for all of week and prime times? SC2 is not Best Contents to guarantee viewers from position of OGN, they has LOL tournaments that the most popular Esports Content Currently that means they are not in desperate state than Blizzard But rather Blizzard wants more to OGN goes to broadcast on TV for promoting WCS in Korea since LOL is The No1 Esports contents in Korea and it made by powered of OGN that broadcasts TV channel to around of Korea
I guess it is a wait and see approach for me, however I know the players expressed they didn`t like bo1 in interviews last year when kespa players were transitioning. I know Rain said he preferred bo3 for SC2.
On June 14 2013 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote: I guess it is a wait and see approach for me, however I know the players expressed they didn`t like bo1 in interviews last year when kespa players were transitioning. I know Rain said he preferred bo3 for SC2.
The better the player the longer he wants the games.
More chances to learn, more chances to come back.
But do we really want that starting at the round of 32?
I see a lot posts here suggesting Blizzard to kick out OGN out of the loop for this. Blizzard wants SC2 to gain popularity in korea so I seriously doubt they are going to do that -_-
On June 14 2013 03:13 Dakure wrote: Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Because so many people have never watched an OSL before. Really it's the only reason. People complaining about something they've never seen before. Fairly typical.
you kidding me ? this is sc2 not bw . and bo1 is very bad ask any pro gamer what they prefere .
On June 14 2013 03:13 Dakure wrote: Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Because so many people have never watched an OSL before. Really it's the only reason. People complaining about something they've never seen before. Fairly typical.
but what they have seen was the RO32 BO1 GSLs in 2011, which generally were not that high quality, so they're assuming that BO1 OSL will be the same. i think it'll be alright
Well there was also that sc2 OSL we had roughly 1 year ago. We had the same uneasy complaints then too. OSL came and again, idk about the rest of you but I thought it was a very forgettable tournament.
Thankfully, the group stages didn't have any real upsets outside of San making it over Byun and Symbol and the Kespa side of things was still in a bit of a flux period but Rain, Flash, etc did make it at least.
However, the whole thing just felt totally underwhelming with less opportunities to see really good games. bo3+ at least gives two players more of an opportunity to adapt there play to their opponent and demonstrate varying levels of strategical depth. It tends to favor a more 3-dimensional player.
On June 14 2013 03:13 Dakure wrote: Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Because so many people have never watched an OSL before. Really it's the only reason. People complaining about something they've never seen before. Fairly typical.
but what they have seen was the RO32 BO1 GSLs in 2011, which generally were not that high quality, so they're assuming that BO1 OSL will be the same. i think it'll be alright
Well there was also that sc2 OSL we had roughly 1 year ago. We had the same uneasy complaints then too. OSL came and again, idk about the rest of you but I thought it was a very forgettable tournament.
Thankfully, the group stages didn't have any real upsets outside of San making it over Byun and Symbol and the Kespa side of things was still in a bit of a flux period but Rain, Flash, etc did make it at least.
However, the whole thing just felt totally underwhelming with less opportunities to see really good games. bo3+ at least gives two players more of an opportunity to adapt there play to their opponent and demonstrate varying levels of strategical depth. It tends to favor a more 3-dimensional player.
Its a philosophical difference in tournament structure.
Lots of games per round = everyone adapts to opponent: but usually leads to a subpar final because we already got to see the players adapting to opponents over 5 hour stretches in the round of 32.
Bo1 in the early rounds means Round of 32 is like watching a bunch of ladder games. You either were the better player, or you weren't.
By having both (Bo1 early and BoX late) we get to see players be cheesy and we get to see players be adaptive.
too much stupidity in this topic, some people seem to think bo1 is some sort of roll of the dice, but a great player losing game one to an inferior player and having to win two extra games in a row in a bo3 with the same possibility of cheeses / all ins / timings that can still hit them is different in some way. flash / soulkey / innovation etc. will probably just play safe and crush their groups regardless of what is thrown at them because they are simply better players than their opponents.