map score will NOT be used as a tie-breaker
oh yes. finally a sensible tournament format.
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Elroi
Sweden5471 Posts
map score will NOT be used as a tie-breaker oh yes. finally a sensible tournament format. | ||
llIH
Norway2126 Posts
And really hope Flash can take a title for once! | ||
Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:04 killer1nz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2013 18:02 Fjodorov wrote: On June 13 2013 17:57 Qikz wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I've always hated the GSL format. I don't like there being two group stages and I especially don't like the Ro32 being Bo3. The games go on for far too long and although it's likely the better player will win anyway in a Bo3, the better player will usually win the first game anyway, making the entire format obselete. Going back to what I've already said. If you die to a baneling bust, then well you played too greedy and you deserved the loss. Play more conservatively and you won't die to cheese. The best TvZ players have been losing to all ins since forever because they have to play greedy and its such a thin line to walk. Just look at GSL finals. Its not as simple as saying "just play safe". what difference would a bo3 make if people were to just gamble with their builds then?... Why is it so hard to understand? The best players arent playing againt total noobs. And what to you mean with gamble? If you know your opponent is a very strong macro player and good at late game then it would be more of a gamble to play a macro game. Being one of the best players in sc2 doesnt mean you hold every all in, not even close. Im just sying its silly to think you can "just play safe" in sc2 GSL/OSL and win anyway because you are that much better. | ||
Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:09 Qikz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2013 18:02 Fjodorov wrote: On June 13 2013 17:57 Qikz wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I've always hated the GSL format. I don't like there being two group stages and I especially don't like the Ro32 being Bo3. The games go on for far too long and although it's likely the better player will win anyway in a Bo3, the better player will usually win the first game anyway, making the entire format obselete. Going back to what I've already said. If you die to a baneling bust, then well you played too greedy and you deserved the loss. Play more conservatively and you won't die to cheese. The best TvZ players have been losing to all ins since forever because they have to play greedy and its such a thin line to walk. Just look at GSL finals. Its not as simple as saying "just play safe". They don't have to play greedy, I know the metagame is to go three CC, but if you open with a tank or two tanks, you hold off pretty much every all in and I know that from opening Reaper - 3CC - into mech every single TvZ. The zergs who go for roach bane all ins won't be able to be pushed and they won't have a load of drones, so surely it's better to just get those tanks since you're going to be in the same situation you would have been, just with more defense. It's better to play safe and not use coinflippy builds if you want to win. If you lose to an all in which you could have defended then you're not the best player. dude come on.. by the time you push out the zerg is on 5 bases and you are fucked. As i said earlier, these guys arent scrubs. | ||
HeroWeDeserve
69 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:11 Elroi wrote: oh yes. finally a sensible tournament format. Going to laugh so hard if a Korean Air group D tiebreaker scenario happens with bo3's. | ||
Elroi
Sweden5471 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
(2072) INnoVation 0-0 Shine (1176) vs (2072) INnoVation 0-0 Shine (1176) About a 10% difference. Another example (1822) Soulkey 0-0 RagnaroK (1427) (1822) Soulkey 0-0 RagnaroK (1427) Around an 8% difference. Up to you whether you think that ~10% is significant enough to say that Bo1 is unequivocally worse than Bo3, taking into consideration all factors such as time and scheduling. | ||
opterown
Australia54649 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:15 Elroi wrote: Regarding the bo1. When people get better at playing the game it gets less luck based. Just watch Flash in PL. He is currently 15-2... And its probably going to become more stable. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/424_Flash/games/during/3724_2012-2013_SPL he's 19-9 in hots PL so far afaik | ||
SoulHarvester
Canada151 Posts
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funKy_KroK
France101 Posts
and I find really strange to change the WCS format during the year but to me it's not an OGN idea or a respect for the old BW format, I guess they just cant have too much SC2 on their TV program for all this time OGN watchers aren't only SC2 watchers | ||
Qikz
United Kingdom12010 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:14 Fjodorov wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2013 18:09 Qikz wrote: On June 13 2013 18:02 Fjodorov wrote: On June 13 2013 17:57 Qikz wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I've always hated the GSL format. I don't like there being two group stages and I especially don't like the Ro32 being Bo3. The games go on for far too long and although it's likely the better player will win anyway in a Bo3, the better player will usually win the first game anyway, making the entire format obselete. Going back to what I've already said. If you die to a baneling bust, then well you played too greedy and you deserved the loss. Play more conservatively and you won't die to cheese. The best TvZ players have been losing to all ins since forever because they have to play greedy and its such a thin line to walk. Just look at GSL finals. Its not as simple as saying "just play safe". They don't have to play greedy, I know the metagame is to go three CC, but if you open with a tank or two tanks, you hold off pretty much every all in and I know that from opening Reaper - 3CC - into mech every single TvZ. The zergs who go for roach bane all ins won't be able to be pushed and they won't have a load of drones, so surely it's better to just get those tanks since you're going to be in the same situation you would have been, just with more defense. It's better to play safe and not use coinflippy builds if you want to win. If you lose to an all in which you could have defended then you're not the best player. dude come on.. by the time you push out the zerg is on 5 bases and you are fucked. As i said earlier, these guys arent scrubs. If you think opening with one tank means the zerg magically can take 5 bases then quite clearly you're being hyperbolic to try and "put down" the format that would work perfectly fine in SC2. I've seen Fantasy, Flash and Innovation all at different times open with a few tanks and still do their parade pushes, it's just they don't do it every game and they still lose to roach bane. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51331 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:15 Elroi wrote: Regarding the bo1. When people get better at playing the game it gets less luck based. Just watch Flash in PL. He is currently 15-2... And its probably going to become more stable. But then Soulkey is 13-6 [] Innovation 17-5 yet he hardly loses in BO3s as you are probably aware. sOs arguably the best protoss in the world right now is 10-7 in SPL BO1s | ||
energized
Croatia117 Posts
Also one group per day is like 5 sets and you count in a Protoss hevy group and you are done in about half an hour. | ||
mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
How did these players qualify? Is it just the GSL list, or did they also seed some high ranked PL players? Tnx Hard to say who's gonna win with bo1, so random, so let's just enjoy the show :D | ||
Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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oneill12
Romania1221 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:30 mechengineer123 wrote: Well bo1 is obviously a joke, but they already gave their statements about it and they know people hate it, so it's time to stop whining about it. How did these players qualify? Is it just the GSL list, or did they also seed some high ranked PL players? Tnx Hard to say who's gonna win with bo1, so random, so let's just enjoy the show :D It's the continuation of WCS Korea S1 (last "GSL"), so everybody who obtained Premiere status there gets to play. Code A will be produced in parallel this season by GOM btw. So by all means it should be a OSL branded GSL, which is the whole idea behind WCS, no reason to mess with the format, you ruin all sense of continuity just for pride. | ||
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Aflixion
United States191 Posts
On June 13 2013 18:30 mechengineer123 wrote: How did these players qualify? Is it just the GSL list, or did they also seed some high ranked PL players? This is WCS KR Season 2 more than it is OSL. Blizzard is just allowing them to still call it GSL and OSL. Think of this as OGN running GSL Code S for a season. Which is why I'm so pissed about the format change. If I knew it was going to be Bo1, I wouldn't have bothered buying a ticket from GOM for it. | ||
Kylo55
Poland64 Posts
Well i guess that if i would look at stats the player that wins first game probably wins the bo 3, 70% of the time but still don't like it :/ | ||
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