14cc or die trying!
Question: Where does Flash rank in SC2? - Page 18
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
14cc or die trying! | ||
rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:11 decado90 wrote: Eh, don't bother. I've tried and no one will listen. Protoss and Zergs will continue to claim that Antiga is a Terran map and they can't win on it, while having super 50% winrates. it's kinda like that time when lolartosis said crossfire was terran favored tvz cause of narrow chokes op siege tank map. oh wait, there are like 3-4 paths i can counter attack. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:24 rysecake wrote: it's kinda like that time when lolartosis said crossfire was terran favored tvz cause of narrow chokes op siege tank map. oh wait, there are like 3-4 paths i can counter attack. Classic Brood War argument: narrow chokes? Terran favoured because of tanks. High ground? Terran favoured because of tanks. Cliffs? Terran favoured because of tanks. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 08 2013 07:19 RanDomFox wrote: if flash was 'code s caliber' then he'd be in code s, and not barely getting into the up and downs. he's not that good. he makes alot of mistakes in his sc2 games. he is mid level code a. proven by his performances. How exactly does one barely get into the up and downs? That doesn't even make sense. Are you referring to his performances like his 69% win rate in Proleague and tying for second in his U&D group? Damn, that just screams of a mid-tier code A player. On January 08 2013 07:33 RanDomFox wrote: let us not forget that flash played yoda after yoda was already through to code s, that was a free win for flash. yet he still didnt make it up. also i find his cc first always build very boring. if he even did make it to code s, that build would get destroyed everytime and he'd get embarrassed like he did at MLG vs Life You mean like how MC played YongHwa after YongHwa was already out of the group? Once upon a time, Flash lost game 5 of the OSL finals against Effort. He used a 14CC, and Effort countered it with an aggressive early pool. The week after, he was playing Jaedong in the MSL finals. People said that he was becoming too predictable with his 14CC, his play was becoming figured out, blah blah blah. He then went 14CC in three straight games and destroyed Jaedong 3-0. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. P.S. His series against Life was 4-2. Considering that Taeja had just lost to him 3-0, I'd say that that's not too bad. | ||
LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:46 GolemMadness wrote: How exactly does one barely get into the up and downs? That doesn't even make sense. Are you referring to his performances like his 69% win rate in Proleague and tying for second in his U&D group? Damn, that just screams of a mid-tier code A player. You mean like how MC played YongHwa after YongHwa was already out of the group? Once upon a time, Flash lost game 5 of the OSL finals against Effort. He used a 14CC, and Effort countered it with an aggressive early pool. The week after, he was playing Jaedong in the MSL finals. People said that he was becoming too predictable with his 14CC, his play was becoming figured out, blah blah blah. He then went 14CC in three straight games and destroyed Jaedong 3-0. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. P.S. His series against Life was 4-2. Considering that Taeja had just lost to him 3-0, I'd say that that's not too bad. Well in all honesty, one of the 14cc he used vs JD was a valktronic timing that was never even known before that took both JD, and everyone watching by surprise but that's a good point. People did say the same thing about 14cc and then he just refined it to a point where he could do it and still extremely hard to beat with cheese or timing attacks unless youre Effort (seriously..). | ||
Godwrath
Spain10091 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:46 GolemMadness wrote: How exactly does one barely get into the up and downs? That doesn't even make sense. Are you referring to his performances like his 69% win rate in Proleague and tying for second in his U&D group? Damn, that just screams of a mid-tier code A player. Are you being sarcastic ? Hope not, because bringing Proleague when there are not really a bunch of GSL players in there is really irrelevant to the discussion about if he is code A/S. | ||
Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:57 Godwrath wrote: Are you being sarcastic ? Hope not, because bringing Proleague when there are not really a bunch of GSL players in there is really irrelevant to the discussion about if he is code A/S. Half the people he's played are code A/S. Others, like Hero[Join] and Zero are clearly at least code A level. | ||
DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
Cut the guy some slack. He had an all-kill in SPL and then he had to play U&D's group of death. Last season Flash didn't get out of his group, losing to Ryung. The later ended up going to Ro4. Flash is still learning the game, just chill out. | ||
DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:59 Grumbels wrote: I think most people agree that a Bo1 in BW is like a Bo3 in SC2, there is a bit more variance in this game. I hope you are joking right now. | ||
RanDomFox
United States84 Posts
if gsl code s represents the best 32 players in the world (maybe more now with the new group) and flash couldnt make it then i think hes probably top 50 or 60 in the world. no better though | ||
Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:10 RanDomFox wrote: GSL code a and s are sc2 leagues, not brood war. sure he won a lot in bw and was god there. but sc2 is different, he's won nothing, couldnt get out of code a. those are facts. He really isn't even the best brood war player to have just switched over either. Innovation, Jaedong, Baby, Rain, etc etc all performing better than him. Those are code s caliber players because they can make it into code s, flash didn't make it and thus isn't good enough. if gsl code s represents the best 32 players in the world (maybe more now with the new group) and flash couldnt make it then i think hes probably top 50 or 60 in the world. no better though So basically, Jaedong is doing better, despite having a worse Proleague record and the fact that he got the same score as Flash in their U&D group simply because he happens to be in code S now and Flash isn't. However, Rain, despite being in code B, is currently better than Flash. You can't have it both ways. Either you stick with your "only players who are currently in code S are good enough to be in code S" or you acknowledge that being in code S isn't the sole thing that defines being a good player. | ||
decado90
United States480 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:10 RanDomFox wrote: GSL code a and s are sc2 leagues, not brood war. sure he won a lot in bw and was god there. but sc2 is different, he's won nothing, couldnt get out of code a. those are facts. He really isn't even the best brood war player to have just switched over either. Innovation, Jaedong, Baby, Rain, etc etc all performing better than him. Those are code s caliber players because they can make it into code s, flash didn't make it and thus isn't good enough. if gsl code s represents the best 32 players in the world (maybe more now with the new group) and flash couldnt make it then i think hes probably top 50 or 60 in the world. no better though I guess Stephano is a top 32 player because he's in Code S right? Flash has the best record in proleague. Not Hero or Taeja, both Code S players he beat in macro games, but Flash. You don't attain the best record in PL by accident. | ||
RanDomFox
United States84 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:32 decado90 wrote: I guess Stephano is a top 32 player because he's in Code S right? Flash has the best record in proleague. Not Hero or Taeja, both Code S players he beat in macro games, but Flash. You don't attain the best record in PL by accident. yup stephano is better than flash. look at sc2 tournaments won. and proleague doesnt matter here since this is a flash for code s thread. | ||
dubRa
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:37 RanDomFox wrote: yup stephano is better than flash. look at sc2 tournaments won. and proleague doesnt matter here since this is a flash for code s thread. To be fair Flash hasn't really been in many SC2 Tournaments for several reasons so that's not really a good comparison at all lol. Stephano's had a leg up on him since the beginning. It's not going to be easy for Stephano when they come face-to-face. | ||
ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:45 ThaZenith wrote: I have a feeling we'll be seeing him taking down every title in a few months. Flash asked for two years back when he started playing the game. I guess he knows better. | ||
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