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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 09:51 kitaman27 wrote: On November 29 2012 09:26 Dienosore wrote: I really am ashamed for not officially sending in the party, but at least Keir still made it in there some how. And now we have extra info about phagga and GK Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though. funny but not useful. Kita, ideas please. Today's objectives should be: Lynch the Toad. Come up with a consensus for the second most scummy player. Put 2-3 votes on our alternate in case there is a secret pardon in play. Sort through night actions to come up with the remaining mafia team by process of elimination. Organize our town night actions for once. On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: How does this effect your reads on Dieno/Acro/GK/Kier? Dieno is still my favorite of the remaining amphibians. Acro is still anti-town, even if you guys are buying into his friendly-pro-town survivor with a twist story. GK I haven't looked at in ages. I should look into this one. Kier was looking good enough prior to the selection, so a failed event isn't enough to change my mind, but I probably wouldn't want him in another party and will look at him when higher priority individuals are evaluated. I'll see if I can come up with a short list of bad guys tomorrow. The biggest struggle we face right now is motivating players to produce valuable content, considering we haven't had to give a scum read that means much in 7 days. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: On November 29 2012 09:51 kitaman27 wrote: On November 29 2012 09:26 Dienosore wrote: I really am ashamed for not officially sending in the party, but at least Keir still made it in there some how. And now we have extra info about phagga and GK Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco funny but not useful. Kita, ideas please. Today's objectives should be: Lynch the Toad. Come up with a consensus for the second most scummy player. Put 2-3 votes on our alternate in case there is a secret pardon in play. Sort through night actions to come up with the remaining mafia team by process of elimination. Organize our town night actions for once. Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: How does this effect your reads on Dieno/Acro/GK/Kier? Dieno is still my favorite of the remaining amphibians. Acro is still anti-town, even if you guys are buying into his friendly-pro-town survivor with a twist story. GK I haven't looked at in ages. I should look into this one. Kier was looking good enough prior to the selection, so a failed event isn't enough to change my mind, but I probably wouldn't want him in another party and will look at him when higher priority individuals are evaluated. I'll see if I can come up with a short list of bad guys tomorrow. The biggest struggle we face right now is motivating players to produce valuable content, considering we haven't had to give a scum read that means much in 7 days. I'm writing up a GK case as we speak and it is long and, I think convincing. | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 10:13 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: On November 29 2012 09:51 kitaman27 wrote: On November 29 2012 09:26 Dienosore wrote: I really am ashamed for not officially sending in the party, but at least Keir still made it in there some how. And now we have extra info about phagga and GK Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco funny but not useful. Kita, ideas please. Today's objectives should be: Lynch the Toad. Come up with a consensus for the second most scummy player. Put 2-3 votes on our alternate in case there is a secret pardon in play. Sort through night actions to come up with the remaining mafia team by process of elimination. Organize our town night actions for once. On November 29 2012 09:57 Promethelax wrote: How does this effect your reads on Dieno/Acro/GK/Kier? Dieno is still my favorite of the remaining amphibians. Acro is still anti-town, even if you guys are buying into his friendly-pro-town survivor with a twist story. GK I haven't looked at in ages. I should look into this one. Kier was looking good enough prior to the selection, so a failed event isn't enough to change my mind, but I probably wouldn't want him in another party and will look at him when higher priority individuals are evaluated. I'll see if I can come up with a short list of bad guys tomorrow. The biggest struggle we face right now is motivating players to produce valuable content, considering we haven't had to give a scum read that means much in 7 days. I'm writing up a GK case as we speak and it is long and, I think convincing. I'll be checking back to see it. This brings back memories of how you tried to get me mislynched in our newbie days... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9601 Posts
On November 29 2012 10:30 Toadesstern wrote: and I've got way more thatn 700HP. it's in the 4 digits. ok just stop the noose is all that awaits you | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 29 2012 10:34 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 10:30 Toadesstern wrote: and I've got way more thatn 700HP. it's in the 4 digits. ok just stop the noose is all that awaits you that's not particularly scary. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
You'll just spam up this page and bury Prox's case... | ||
TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
I got healed. Bad things I used my 1 shot ability and it didn't work because I wasn't on the fucking event team. Is this a joke? Like the team that was constantly posted in thread couldn't be used? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16199 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
I'm Risen, by the way. Sorry I lied to you Prom I've been feeling nonstop bad about it since I did it but seriously could you have crumbed my name any more obviously? It wasn't enough that you just said you knew who I was? | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
A thesis in fail On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote: Okay. I'm pretty much caught up. I'd like to address several things. First: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote: Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on? Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune? Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who? Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers. Yes. I had much better games after that. I hope there's no hard feelings for that particular game, as I played scum about as terribly as I possibly could clamming up when really saying just about anything would have prevented my early lynch. My other two games: In NMM XXIV: The hero that saved the town from a 5-3 MYLO to win the game. In LVII: Mafia suicide bomber. Could have played better but mafia got the win anyway. Rockband mini: I replaced out day one as scum. Never actually checked to see how it ended. Who I would nominate (if not myself): As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba. Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv). I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced. Goodkarma for President: As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time. Just wanted to highlight what is essentially GK's first post in this game, it supports Sandro while presenting himself as an alternate candidate. Weirdly runs against someone who he would include in his party which makes no sense from a townie perspective, does he think his reads are better than Sand's? So this, to me, is a point in the scummy direction. He wants to be leader over Sand but has a town read on Sand. I wasn't voting Sand because I did not have a town read on him but if I did think he was town I would want him to lead over me any day. Sand is one of the best players this forum has. On November 21 2012 13:50 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 21 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote: On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! No. Setup speculation is for chumps. I'd like to hear your thoughts on who we should choose for a party leader and why. Choose town. Win events. Kill Lavos. This has already been covered. I don't have any strong townreads yet. So in the meantime, I want to plant some ideas about how the setup works because you can bet your ass its going to matter. Of course it will matter. But talking about how certain deliberately hidden variables could or could not work that are outside our control is a waste of time. The one thing we presently can control is who we choose for our party, and that's where are focus should be. So please stop shitting up the thread advocating setup speculation. says the guy talking about setup. Okay, saving this, if he goes back to set up it is just shitting up the thread. On November 21 2012 15:45 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 15:30 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? We don't even know anything about HOW the scum kills, other than it doesn't follow the traditional "1 KP = 1 dead". We have an HP value, and have no idea how much HP damage the scum can do in a single cycle, how they will do it, or who they can do it to. But we have HP. Scum must be able to remove it somehow. And if we have let's say a small hidden value score lead over scum, it would be important to know if scum can or cannot off people in the party to tip the scales against us. Especially if a medic-type role exists for town. I feel this is a very relevant and answerable question to ask the host. But I must agree with oats that outside of a response from him it's not a good use of our time to discuss further. oh hey, look, more set up speculation. Alright. Reasonable, there were reasons for this. But besides set up all GK has talked to up to this point is being pro Sand / kinda pro me and advice for Djo and Dieno (who clearly needs some damn advice, like SUBMIT YOUR FUCKING PARTY YOU FOOL!) The questions GK ask aren't very town oriented, scum needs to know how to fuck with the party and his questions to the mods are: On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? "Hey guys: I know some townies might be kill immune, could I know who? Thanks lulz." On November 21 2012 17:07 goodkarma wrote: @Oats: I suggested that if I am not elected Sandroba is my current alternative pick for party leader. That should say something about my current read on him. But I will briefly recap: His ideas for how to produce a successful town party are ones that I agree with. That others apparently are familiar with his meta, and that he is either a strong town or weak scum player is icing on the cake. That being said, before I would place a vote towards him I would need to know which party members he would choose and why. -snippy- So GK has 1) a town read on Sandro and 2) will not vote him unless he reveals his party. Know who he voted though? On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba Remember that voting is mandatory. All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Do you know why? I do On November 23 2012 01:05 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote: I can't explain it better than I have. It doesn't feel like he cares about figuring things out and there is no sense of urgency despite him being one of the most likely people to be elected. He has made no attempts at figuring out who mafia is and it seems to me he is hiding behind the fact he doesn't have to. There is being lazy and then there is just not caring. My other reasons rely on my knowledge of how he thinks and some of the things he has said feel off; can't elaborate more on that. Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest). If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public. I question if this is in fact true. Being held accountable upfront for the people you choose is important, as is producing an open forum of discussion for others. Such discussion provides valuable information about others' thought processes that would otherwise be lost. Also, from a scum perspective, a blind ticket can sometimes be more appealing for people to get behind than a known ticket (And for this reason being secretive would be a good play as mafia.)... And yes, I'm droning, and, this certainly is obvious, yet it beared discussion due to how absurd the bolded portion of your quote is. I honestly don't care if you find your reasoning for one or two members of your selected party could be flimsy to others. Give us a chance to stack up your chosen party against your reads. Pretty please. As for what I plan to do: I hereby concede my campaign. There did appear to be some going interest in it, and I will certainly take future note of it for the future. However, I will not have the appropriate time to gather the momentum I will need to come from behind, and it is important we consolidate our votes as the deadline approaches. I will be voting for syllogism. I am really displeased with his determination to keep his party secret, as I have already outlined. However, he is hands down the lesser of the three (fairly evenly distributed by votes) evils. Of Kita, Sandroba, and Syllo, I choose syllo. I would further recommend that in the interest of consolidation as soon as possible we bring it down to two people. Having three people stay in the running in the long term will be much easier for mafia to manipulate. ##Unvote ##Vote: Syllogism GK votes for the lesser of three evils, a guy who is doing something he thinks is scummy. He votes that guy over his town read. Uh-huh... On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader. As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town? Here is one of the few posts that GK has addressing his thoughts on Sand before the vote. He is upset that Syllo would get veto privilages because he does not have a town read on Syllo, the gentleman who ended up with his vote. So what other reasons did GK have for not voting Sand? On November 22 2012 12:11 goodkarma wrote: My current thoughts on party leader: So... It would seem that syllo has yet to make any additional moves, and sandoba, while back, hasn't really made that much of an additional comment on his party he's taking with him. Firstly, sandroba has now made it clear that he strongly believes syllo to be town. I do not have the "meta" read priveleges that he does, and as such, cannot make this read. Yet, at this point I would go so far as to say that sandroba has put so much faith into syllo that a vote for either is semi-interchangable. Between the two of them, I see one party leader ticket. I don't have presently a town read on syllo, and so am less comfortable voting for Sandroba than I previously was. Sandroba, who was someone I was very excited about having as party leader with his solid early ideas for how to select his party, also has yet to provide some idea of who he's considering at present for his party. This is another point that makes me less comfortable voting Sandroba. I'm still leaning towards sandroba being town, but I question why it is he has become fairly quiet relative to the beginning of the game. So, in Summary...: While many here give Sandroba/Syllo respect for being a "vet," it's incredibly hard for me to sort through a sea of one-liners and go, "That guy is definitely town..." Actually, insert Marv's name here too as he's guiltiest of this... -snippy- Mafia manipulation: Many of you seem to fear that it will be super-easy for mafia to hide in a setup where they don't necessarily need to spend all that much time faking scumhunting. But when you blindly vote for one guy you are missing an amazing opportunity to spot them out. By voting for a known 4-person party (where the party leader presents his choices) you are doing a better job of forcing their hand. They will be trying to steer the vote towards selecting their own members, and their voting should reflect that. As an added bonus, this allows you to spread your risk. You can determine if the choices of the party leader match up to your own, and at least to some degree, determine how likely it is that the party has a mafia member in it. By voting for a singular leader, it's an all or nothing proposition. They get their candidate in, or they don't. Either way, we get far less information from that. We will not be able to narrow down what went wrong should things go wrong. Is it a scum party leader with questionable choices or a town party leader with questionable choices? The only way you'd know for sure is to lynch every party leader who fails his mission... This is a system I am wholeheartedly opposed to. In Conclusion: Nothing in this game is certain, but what I am certain of is that there's not a snowflake's prayer in hell I'm voting for either sandroba or syllo (or should I say sandollo?) until they provide more information on who they're bringing and why. I wasn't altogether serious about "running for office" before but I am now. I am unhappy with what I see and will be making a post outlining who I'll bring and why within the next couple hours. Right, Sand and Syllo are too comfortable with each other. That leadership bid I made was a joke but it isn't a joke. Don't vote Sand or Syllo until they tell us who they are taking. I'm with him here. I get it. But his vote ends up on Syllo. And his proposed party from his new campaign? I present exibit a) On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team. I would like to take a few seconds to note that I was very disappointed my shortlist wasn't longer. Many people here have not taken the effort to establish themselves as town. I'm not by any means the perfect reader in this game, but by making a few more reads on who you feel are viable candidates many of you could have made it easier for me as I could have had more insight into your thought process. I will not lie. None of these I have a "definitely town" read on. However, given the context of their play so far, I feel their play is more likely town-motivated than scum-motivated, and the best prospects for being town. In no particular order: 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. I would not say these names are 100% rigid, but I would have to hear a really damn good argument for me to change this lineup. I look forward to hearing what all of you have to say. Note that he would require a 'really good argument' to change any of these players. So he still has a town read on Sand. On November 22 2012 19:52 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote: @Goodkarma If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro? What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that. I answered all of these questions if you were to actually take the time to read my filter... As for what I think of Sandroba currently, I can understand the selection of Kush, but I don't like it. If Kush is in fact telling the truth I find it hard to believe there are that many people lower than 30 HP in a game that has 999HP max (I know this is very speculative but still...). As such I would expect him to have a contingency plan if Kush were to die... I readily admit that Sandroba may not be the best candidate as he's been playing. Since I nominated him, he's been extremely stingy with the details of who he plans on choosing and why. Further I missed there was a role claim by Dien... And I will admit that by adopting a process of elimination-type process it is possible that I overlooked better qualified candidates that are possibly in the "semi-lurker" position. Prox especially comes to mind. But I would like to say that while this is definitely in part my fault it is additionally the fault of those people who have decided to sit back and let things play out without voicing their opinions. It has made it that much harder for me to find three strong candidates. I will reassess my choices, and have a finalized list here in the next few hours. I'll try to touch up on the thread tomorrow as best I can, but will be rather time-limited. Currently the two I object most to on the Kita ticket are Kita and Acros. Kita especially as he has done very little to even try to establish himself as town, and, as the leader of his ticket, that worries me. A lot... So, firstly, no GK did not answer these questions in his filter. He Proposed that we shouldn't, as a town, put all ours eggs in the Sand/Syllo basket. But he puts Sand in his party. One basket. One government. But now Sand 'might not be the best candidate' though nothing about who would be the best. If he is no longer the best candidate why is he still a top three town read? I dunno and I doubt GK has a reason either. On November 22 2012 20:43 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote: Right now I would say there is a >50% chance that sandroba is mafia. His interest in the game feels superficial and some of his posts feel off. For instance him saying that he is "torn" about clarity_nl as opposed to actually stating whether he now thinks it is more likely that he is town or mafia. His explanation as to why he thought clarity was mafia is also pretty weak by his standards. Pouncing with one-liners on weak stuff? That probably applies to many, many people in every single game. Missed this discussion from syllogism on Sandro... He is no longer on my list. Oats is on both of our lists, and upon skimming his filter I found this: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Dont guess Djo, how could you know how mafia KPs work in this setup. Does scum have to send in actions before they know who the party leader is? or after the whole party is made? I think you misunderstand me. My point is that we should focus on completing the tasks since that is the only way town gets an advantage. The best way to complete the tasks is the send the 4 towniest players I know it's petty semantics, but since sending in actions is a matter-of-fact thing, I would expect a town to ask if actions were sent in before or after. Since it is a disadvantageous thing for scum if actions are sent in, asking if they have to be sent before party leaders are announced makes sense. So What Now?: Oats is definitely a bit of a try-hard newbie, and honestly that was part of what I felt was townie about him. The biggest issue, however, is that being a tryhard this game is pretty important for the scum wincon, and as such I would expect most scum to be active members (likely more active than town). Between this and that he was included on sandro's list, I am inclined to remove him as well for the time being. I'm not saying he's scum, but I was too eager to bring in people I saw as active and acting pro-town while he could just as easily be acting as scum in this way. Oh wait? Does that mean that you are about-facing and saying Sandroba is scum? Not necessarily. All I know is that there is enough doubt on him, and since I nominated him he has performed very poorly for town. In my opinon town has not done enough to differentiate itself from the scum and that is where my problem has been. These two are going to be replaced with your average town representatives, which at this point of the game I am confident is the semi-lurker demographic. It's not what I would have hoped for, but it looks to be the safest demographic to tap from, especially since more than half the current players reside there... I can't snippy any of this, it matters. 1) Sand is no longer on his list 2) Oats is removed due to being related to Sand 3) but Sand isn't scum. I'll let GK tell you what to think about this himself: On November 24 2012 14:33 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote: On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote: @TheChronicle You keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037 At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoN He has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote: Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now... Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote: Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote: On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people" Really, no contradiction? At all? Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. Association based scum read on two unflipped players? Even a scrub like me knows that's sloppy play... -_- So we have a strong town read turn into a null read and an association tell on another player. If Sand is not scum how is Oats scummy by association? I don't get it. His new proposed team is Djo Phag and Dieno (based on RC) He dropped a scum and a now 'confirmed' town from his list together. So who does he replace them with? A (now) 'confirmed' town and Phag. If GK is scum (something I am more and more sure of, than I think looking at Phag again might be worth while. Weee association. That finishes cycle one- in cycle two the first thing GK does is On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote: I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia. On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does: ##Vote: Sandroba based on unconfirmed meta. Remember that town read? Yeah, neither does GK. You know what he says though? On November 24 2012 00:47 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote: Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed. I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked. By all means irl things happen. But that doesn't mean that your absence isn't scum-motivated... For what it's worth, though, lurker is not equal to scum, and my vote on you was more of a pressure vote. I can excuse you had irl things going on, but would certainly hope that you are more active for the remainder of the game. I would like to see these amazing scumhunting abilities that other players strongly believe you to be capable of. a pressure vote. Pressure! He called some one "a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today." and referred to his vote o that player as a pressure vote. Okay. So who is GK lying to? Himself or town? GK defends himself from pressure which Acro places on him y saying On November 24 2012 01:41 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 01:18 Acrofales wrote: On November 24 2012 01:06 goodkarma wrote: On November 23 2012 22:44 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 22:30 goodkarma wrote: For all those who are still distrustful of me: You are certainly entitled to distrust me. I spent a good portion of the opening of this game discussing mechanics and not really so much reads. However, I would like to point out that I have since then: 1) Established a system of greater transparency for who is selected. It is very likely all we'd discuss is party leader, and not the corresponding parties, if I hadn't stepped in. Further, I have shown exactly why this is the best approach... 2) I have been proactive about demonstrating exactly why it is I have chosen who I have and my line of reasoning. Further, I have been (and continue to be) willing to change my platform if compelling evidence can be brought to my attention that a candidate is a weak choice. 3) The only reason I have pursued a party leader position this cycle is that the alternatives I feel at this point do not have trustworthy platforms. I am not trusting of Kita, nor at this point am I content with sending sandroba. 4) I have actually been active this game... If you were to look at any of my scum games, you would notice that I am not nearly this proactive when I play scum. You have discussed prior how it would be absolutely great if we had a candidate that had an easily recognizable town vs. scum game. Well, your welcome. I will not be submitting my party until I leave for Thanksgiving lunch/dinner late tomorrow morning. I look forward to hearing your opinions on my party, and replying to them in a few hours. But until then, I'm getting a few hours' rest. You can add to that dissatisfaction with syllo's decision to not discuss who was in his party. If you're wandering why that bothered me so much, I could quote more stuff from my filter I guess... -_- Tbh, I've done my best to be very transparent in my reasoning behind my decisions. Most questions you bring up about motives for playing as I have I am quite confident that you will find the answers to in my filter. You have a full-on town read of Sandro at the time you decide to run yourself (as evidenced by your very "GK for president" post. Syllo only came much later (I checked timestamps). I am having a lot of trouble understanding why you were "uncontent" sending Sandro at the time. So the sequence of events went something like this: discontent with lack of transparency in who candidates would choose to go with them-->seriously run for office (in part to show by example how others should run, showing others who they'd actually bring) Upon reassessing my read on Sandro, I came to the realization that he was a poor choice, but the original intent in running was to get going the idea that the entire party should be known up-front. Again, this should be clear from my filter... as I think you've seen that is not what GK says. Here and now GK's insistence that he is a careful player who edits his posts over and over means that what he says is not a mistake. Which means the contradictions in his filter are not a townie being silly but a scum being scummy. So, as this happens GK gives himself an out: On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote: I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven. I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit... I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman He allows himself a way to vote away from Sand which is just a sheep vote. A pre-excused sheep vote. That is totally a thing townies + Show Spoiler + never On November 25 2012 04:49 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: No clue why I addressed that to just Marv. He's currently the most vocal, but EVERYBODY should look at the absolute lack of any useful posts in Toad's filter. I agree that Toad has been useless, but think in this context: It's four hours until lynch deadline... I am curious: Are you really that dissatisfied with the other lynch choices that you feel now is the time to form a new wagon? We should be consolidating between two candidates, not making forming new bandwagons. That makes it that much easier for mafia to manipulate the outcome for plurality lynch (Obvious, right? I state the obvious because people keep trying stunts like this...) and Toad (the confirmed scum) is useless. Distanced from but not calling scummy. Who could want to do that? Oh right, scum. but two seconds later: On November 25 2012 04:53 goodkarma wrote: EBWOP#2: I should add further that indeed Toad could be scum, but I don't get why your read on him would stronger than a scum read on Sandroba. what changed? nothing. GK doesn't want you to lynch Toad but you could. On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote: @ goodkarma If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad. This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad. I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me. oh hey, now he wouldn't even be upset if Toad was lynched but sheeping is so easy. This is a double bus attempt. With two scum players up for the lynch GK has to choose one of them to go after and it seems that Sand is the obvious one since he has so many town votes on him. But GK also realizes that he cannot support Toad too much since he is also under fire. GK is clearly scum, town have scum reads that they want lynched GK has nothing. On November 25 2012 06:02 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps. For what it's worth, I'll check back into this thread and change my vote to Toad if this indeed becomes the case. he'll lynch Toad and Sand if that is what we need. He (and the rest of the scum team) know that Toad and Sand are liabilities. They know that Those two will not make it to endgame so they have to bus them early and bus them hard to have any chance of getting to the late game themselves. Look at this distancing vote, look at it! On November 25 2012 07:56 goodkarma wrote: Sandroba is likely going to be modkilled. I'm changing my vote. ##Unvote ##Vote: Toad tell me you don't think that is scum motivated. GK getting in early on a lynch that won't happen. Safe. On November 25 2012 10:19 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 10:12 GreYMisT wrote: Everyone I am very sorry for this, It should have been included in the daypost but I rushed it. Luckily I caught it only an hour in and this shall be editied in. In addition to the party only being able to contain half of the same players as the previous party, the same party leader may not be elected twice in a row. This means syllogism is ineligible to be elected as leader. This was supposed to be explained via flavor but you know... Again very sorry that this information was not presented to you guys immediately. That makes things harder... So, it should be a no-brainer to shoo in one of the people from the previous successful party. I would rather not have dienosaur as party leader. Between Oats and Keir, I flipped a coin and it came up... ##Vote: Keirathi But in all seriousness, Oats and Keir do not have Syllo-esque reads, and I believe it would be best if they have some guidance for who else they bring. Even if it's just Syllo telling one of them exactly what to do (In fact, I'd approve of this idea.). scumtell. Doesn't care about the leader. Iamp, remember your IRC game with Marv/Thrawn/Kush etc. the one you don't want to talk about? Yeah I know you remember it. Now tell me you disagree with this read. Also: which of Kier and Oats claimed to have a low success modifier? Hmmm...right, Kier. Now I respect Kier's reads over Oats and that could be a reason to vote him but a coin flip is not. and GK knew about it. Oh yes he did: On November 25 2012 11:14 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 11:08 Keirathi wrote: On November 25 2012 11:05 goodkarma wrote: @Keir: On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote: On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote: On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote: On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote: On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote: On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote: [quote] If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes. i dont understand I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier. Yes, but what question are you wanting me to answer? My role pm specifically says something to the effect that any party I'm in has a lower chance of success. Okay. I just wanted to be extra extra sure about this. In that case, if only 1/2 of the party can come from last time I would rather you were not in it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster It's between Oats and dieno then... I would propose Oats assume party leader and sheep syllo's choices. Now, GK seems to have forgotten how he felt about Syllo in the early game. He is, retroactively, very pleased with voting Syllo. He wouldn't vote Djo (who he still has a town read on) because: On November 25 2012 18:25 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 18:24 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote: djo will this mystery player remain a secret? Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^ then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote. Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ? This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing... But you're not syllo . On November 26 2012 16:57 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote: so GK, your conclusion is that not wanting to be in the party is not a scumtell. RIGHT? Also that if we see someone pushing hard to be in the party, i/e Djo. We should be more suspicious of them I'm saying that it's entirely plausible that scum is still pushing to be in the party even though it could be suicidal at this point long-term. With Djo, he has pushed hard this cycle to be elected. As scum, I doubt that he could secure the mislynch as Acro might. He isn't a strong town read with people here (myself included), and as such I would think he would be worried about being spotted as the weak link in the team. In other words, I would say the opposite with Djo. His pushing to be party leader is rather misguided and in my opinion not very pro-town given the strong alternatives right now. However, it isn't a scum tell. Given that his actions don't really make sense to me as scum, I would actually say it's a town tell. And now Djo isn't a town read. Totally unexplained but no longer so town that you would bring him in your party. Great. On November 26 2012 23:56 goodkarma wrote: -snips- I would say that Toad is a low priority target, as in, please don't shoot him. From the two flips we've seen, and based off the abilities that have claimed that can do damage, there is no reason to think we could one-shot Toad. So targeting people we won't be able to get to lynch anytime soon is definitely a better option. -snips- Don't shoot confirmed scum with your Vig abilities. Does anyone agree with this? It is scum as fuck. The idea of having damaging abilities and using them to flip lurkers when we have confirmed scum is terribad. When GK is pushing a not Kier/Dieno leadership he says: On November 27 2012 09:56 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 09:44 Promethelax wrote: Another reason I think Dieno makes more sense if there are rewards based on the player and not which quest they lead to victory he will get the masamune. Unless Greymist chose to disregard Chrono Trigger's max HP (and I believe this to be unlikely), 999 is the most Dieno has. Dieno has already taken in excess of 400 damage, and if he becomes party leader mafia will obviously target him. Given the amount of damage we've seen mafia is capable of, it is extremely likely that he would get killed in one night. Make Dieno party leader and even if he were to get the Masamune there is no way he'd have the chance to use it... or, as we call it in mafia language: claiming to have not read the thread. This was after Dieno claimed being healed to a point where he was not worried that he would be 1shot. On November 27 2012 10:19 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 10:16 Acrofales wrote: On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote: On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot. Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this. I'm not strongly opposed to you going along. I still prefer Djodref or Chronicler. I see no reason for you to be leader, though. Whatever these events do, it might be worthwhile to scum to sacrifice one to fail the event. We don't seem to be getting many lynches and already have Toad's head on the chopping block. Is there really a big difference between him being party leader, or going in the party, if in the event the party succeeds he comes out confirmed town either way? That being said, I do feel Djo is also a strong choice for fresh blood to bring. after about a million posts on how the leader gets items GK can't figure out a difference between giving Hapa a place on the team and a leadership role. GK wants the item to go to hapa instead of the 'confirmed' town Once again, later in the same cycle, GK once again forgets his own reads: On November 27 2012 15:02 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref This is a party I find completely acceptable. Apparently no one else is too worried about your low success modifier... I'll cross my fingers and hope that the success determination mechanic is similar to what you've said + Show Spoiler + (I find it consoling that the more I think about it the more unlikely it feels that it's anything like what I proposed...) ##Unvote ##Vote: Keirathi Final answer. And in case you're wondering, the largest reason is satisfaction with your party selection. Confirming Djo as town is a good move. GK on Djo town->scum-town. Reasons given: none. On November 28 2012 08:10 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 08:04 Djodref wrote: Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of ! It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today. I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe. So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^ I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo. For what it's worth I also would prefer you to TC. But both of you are strong town reads for me atm. Is this another fake claim btw? If so, I approve. look at that role fishing, needs to know if he can kill Dieno during the night. And Djo is super townie bro now. We now move on to another point: What GK feels about Lurkers and why that makes him scum We begin with this: On November 28 2012 08:32 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 08:29 Djodref wrote: On November 28 2012 08:12 goodkarma wrote: @Djo: While you're here: StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss. I'm not here I have to go to work. I was catching up with the thread after my morning shower and stuff... I have never claimed anything. I lied about the usage an ability that I could still have (hint: I cannot shoot anybody in fact) and I've managed to force iamp and Adam to participate. I really liked both their reactions and I'm not wooried about them anymore. It's not the case for S&B and VE. In our last game, S&B started to do some real townie stuff when he was on the verge of being lynched. My view on him right now is that he can and have to do better if he is town. But I don't have a strong scum read on him. Null for me atm. My problem is that I don't know how to force them to participate more. And, seriously, you can totally trust Dieno to me. This ability is for real. I didn't breadcrumb but you can see some hint in my filter for my D2 save. Don't worry about the lurkers. All you can do is encourage them to participate. reasonable because of course we can't do shit to make them play, don't worry about them. Even though I just said we should vig them over confirmed scum. The case that never was GK calls SnB scum here: On November 28 2012 08:12 goodkarma wrote: @Djo: While you're here: StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss. and promises a case a few times, here though he is working on it: On November 28 2012 09:32 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 09:29 Acrofales wrote: On November 28 2012 09:26 goodkarma wrote: On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote: On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote: On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves:
Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: Keirathi Also, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest? So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O Dafuq you talking about. You attack SnB over having a bad case. While I don't find his case particularly convincing, I don't see any motivation for your soft defense of H1. Enlighten us. Calm your nipples. I'm working on my case now... As a side note, though: speculating on Greymist's counter is pointless. If I were Greymist, I'd leave the counter at one for three days just to fuck with us. it turns out there was no case on SnB: On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote: My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now... In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist: 1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out. 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... 3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar... 4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too. 5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party 6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later... 7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter. 8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...). 9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions. 10) Toad - Scum 11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... just a list of half (HALF) the players left in the game and why they are scum who need to be shot. On November 28 2012 10:03 goodkarma wrote: I know people hate lists, but honestly establishing town is just as important, if not moreso, than finding scum this game. So I have less of a problem with lists. My current conclusions: 1) Vigi shoot VE, Cave, and maybe Adam (in that order). 2) Kita probably is 3rd party... 3) Rolecheck Prox. if possible... 4) Toad = scum... And in case you were wondering, I would say that everyone not on that list is town at this point... look at those directions to blues: shoot three guys who (though lurky) probably at least two of them are town. Calls out 3p, calls the confirmed scum scum and says to rolecheck one of our own blues which would clear me and give us no new useful information, a red check is >>>>> a green check. Remember how we weren't suppossed to care about lurkers because they would sort themselves out? Again, niether does GK, On November 28 2012 10:13 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote: On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote: My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now... In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist: 1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out. 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... 3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar... 4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too. 5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party 6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later... 7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter. 8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...). 9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions. 10) Toad - Scum 11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... ya don't listen to this at all shoot the scum And which scum exactly would you propose we shoot then? All the people I proposed have a decent chance of flipping scum. those lurkers all have a decent chance to flip scum. Errr...wat? Hitting lurkers with Viggiies is the eliminate coin flips. Not probable scum. Also GK calls VE probably town and says to shoot him. This has been brought up before but yeah...GK=scum. On November 29 2012 02:59 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote: -sniped- if we don't get a lynch though we need to start that focus fire earlier. How confidant are you that we will get a lynch? (hint: I'm not at all) From the damage reports, I'm under the impression town has roughly 150 damage / turn at its disposal. From the flips, however, 600 HP seems to be a reasonable assumption for the amount of HP Toad has. (Following the mechanics of the actual game, I'd say he can't have any more than 999.) As such, I'd expect it to take at least 3-4 turns to kill him. And I strongly believe we'll have a chance to lynch within 1-2 turns. and this, which as myself and others point out means he has some idea of the scum KP. Though it could be guesswork it could also be outside knowledge. If he wasn't already scummy as fuck this might not be a slip but with GK playing as he is I read this as a scum slip. In conclusion: GK is scum because of his flipping and flopping on Sandroba, Syllo and Djo without reason. GK is scum because of his attempts to direct blue actions. GK is scum because he has a twon read on people he wants to be shot GK is scum because he provides useless lists full of so many reads that he doesn't have any ideas of his own. GK is scum because he has knowledge of the scum kp. Sorry for how goddamn long this is. But eh, there wasn't much I could cut. It was all relevant. | ||
Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea. So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =] I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot? Night all see you tomorrow. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 10:50 TheChronicler wrote: Placed my vote I'm going to shower and sleep. Lifting was fucking hard today. I'm Risen, by the way. Sorry I lied to you Prom I've been feeling nonstop bad about it since I did it but seriously could you have crumbed my name any more obviously? It wasn't enough that you just said you knew who I was? heh, I thought it was funny. The thing is if anyone tried to figure it out they would know. I thought I would just give you the jab to claim because I knew who you were. | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
But I will look over what you said, and reply accordingly. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 11:03 goodkarma wrote: You could have made it two posts... But I will look over what you said, and reply accordingly. but it was one case. Scum. | ||
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