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Its times like this that I'm glad I don't use Facebook. I'd get extremely annoyed if I went on and checked to find all my friends or "facebook friends" to be talking about issues like this. Acting like they care for some sort of self righteous/self image bullshit. Also talking/arguing with each other as if any of them had done any research into the matter whatsoever. Why do people think that spreading a video with their friends does anything to help the matter? 99% of the people who claim to care about this matter will and never would do anything to help solve the problem at all. If it even is a problem.
Personally I wont be researching it and I don't care to. Every form of media is a total fucking lie these days and when I open a thread that's full of so much controversy and arguing like this, its quite obvious that not all of the real facts are released. When governments and media can be 100% honest, then I'll give them my attention.
If some douche bag is causing all this suffering to humanity then I hope a honey badger mauls them to death. No video sharing for me.
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On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa
Nigeria, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South), Gabon, DRC, not to mention vast mineral wealth that puts much of the world to shame...
And the US has a highly vested interest in Nigerian oil, hence the strong partnership between the two...there is a definite US interest in Africa. We are "already there"
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On March 09 2012 03:21 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa Nigeria, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South), Gabon, DRC, not to mention vast mineral wealth that puts much of the world to shame... And the US has a highly vested interest in Nigerian oil, hence the strong partnership between the two...there is a definite US interest in Africa. We are "already there"
I'm pretty sure the point was "there's no oil where Kony/these guys are, but there is where Saddam/Qaddafi/etc are" so that's why we invaded those countries and not the other ones, despite both having commited horrible acts against humanity.. I agree he could have worded it better though.
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Worse shit happens at numerous places, right now.
I'm not sure why people act like they didn't know about stuff like this.
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well now even more psychos will want to get famous by doing bad things
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On March 09 2012 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote: Worse shit happens at numerous places, right now.
I'm not sure why people act like they didn't know about stuff like this. Uhh no. This is actually about as bad as it gets. Child soldiers, forcing them to kill or rape their own parents, HIV as a weapon, constant drug induced state, etc. Similar things happen other places, but this is pretty much the top tier of grotesque human behavior.
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For anyone who is actually interested in finding out more information about all this (and I'm talking about both sides here), here's Invisible Children's official response to the various allegations. No matter what side you're on, it's worth a read.
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On March 09 2012 03:26 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 03:21 Elegy wrote:On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa Nigeria, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South), Gabon, DRC, not to mention vast mineral wealth that puts much of the world to shame... And the US has a highly vested interest in Nigerian oil, hence the strong partnership between the two...there is a definite US interest in Africa. We are "already there" I'm pretty sure the point was "there's no oil where Kony/these guys are, but there is where Saddam/Qaddafi/etc are" so that's why we invaded those countries and not the other ones, despite both having commited horrible acts against humanity.. I agree he could have worded it better though.
Even then, a simple look at a map reveals a great deal as to why a country like Uganda is far more likely to be safe from intervention than Libya or Iraq. Oil is a factor, but it's a sad mistake in judgment for internet warriors to always assume "OIL" as this great majestic driving force behind all world events since the dawn of man
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On March 09 2012 03:36 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 03:26 1Eris1 wrote:On March 09 2012 03:21 Elegy wrote:On March 08 2012 23:39 Diminisherqc wrote:On March 08 2012 22:51 archonOOid wrote: why are these guys labeled rebels instead of terrorists? If the west recognized them as terrorists they would quickly disappear with all the black ops, proxy wars and what not. Just because they are not a threat to EU/NA they can do whatever they want and also because it's happening in Africa ( Land of the Western atrocities). because there is no oil in africa Nigeria, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South), Gabon, DRC, not to mention vast mineral wealth that puts much of the world to shame... And the US has a highly vested interest in Nigerian oil, hence the strong partnership between the two...there is a definite US interest in Africa. We are "already there" I'm pretty sure the point was "there's no oil where Kony/these guys are, but there is where Saddam/Qaddafi/etc are" so that's why we invaded those countries and not the other ones, despite both having commited horrible acts against humanity.. I agree he could have worded it better though. Even then, a simple look at a map reveals a great deal as to why a country like Uganda is far more likely to be safe from intervention than Libya or Iraq. Oil is a factor, but it's a sad mistake in judgment for internet warriors to always assume "OIL" as this great majestic driving force behind all world events since the dawn of man
I don't disagree at all, just pointing out what (I think?) he meant to say.
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I love how everyone is becoming a social activtist after watching this, really its amusing.
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On March 09 2012 03:46 TriO wrote: I love how everyone is becoming a social activtist after watching this, really its amusing. Some of us have actually been involved for quite a while. The original Invisible Children documentary was just about the founders discovering the camps where children go for protection. Since then the situation has changed and IC has gotten more peachy and mainstream, but it shouldn't take away from their goals. There's still many other important NGOs you can support to improve the situation, such as Gulu Walk and Bitone.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuluWalk http://bitonechildren.org/bitone/
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On March 09 2012 03:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote: Worse shit happens at numerous places, right now.
I'm not sure why people act like they didn't know about stuff like this. Uhh no. This is actually about as bad as it gets. Child soldiers, forcing them to kill or rape their own parents, HIV as a weapon, constant drug induced state, etc. Similar things happen other places, but this is pretty much the top tier of grotesque human behavior. I'm not sure if this is the right place to elaborate, or if there even is a right place, so I won't. But I gently disagree with the notion that worse things don't happen, because they do.
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On March 09 2012 03:56 Jibba wrote: Example?
I don't think we need to go into this =/ What does arguing about how awful the world really is achieve?
Also, I quite like the knee-jerk reaction people have had to this - "Oh, I hate it when people do this", "people thinking they are being social activists". It raises awareness. Why are you possibly arguing that this is a bad thing? Sure, some people can be jerks even when discussing campaigning against evil, but that's pretty much a given on the Internet. Why post about that?
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On March 09 2012 03:56 Jibba wrote: Example? They are not forced into Cannibalism so they don't starve? Getting addicted to drugs is, in my books, better than getting randomly cut their throats in front of the other children to make them scared of acting up. But that might be me. And executing people by throwing them into a pack of half-starved animals hold a special place in my heart.
Raping their parents IS sick, and I haven't heard that one before, but I'm 90% sure it's either a gross exaggeration or a complete lie.
Just like my points might not be true. I've never been to Africa, after all. Either these things happen or they don't, sad thing is it doesn't affect us.
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Been linked many, many times before.
Look, I appreciate that Invisible Children think leveraging the power of the Ugandan army to hunt down the LRA across borders of other sovereign nations is a solution, but it's not one without its own problems. I don't care whether they're actually handing the money over to the Ugandan army already or lobbying Washington to hand money over to the Ugandan army, the result is the same.
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On March 09 2012 04:04 Dandel Ion wrote:They are not forced into Cannibalism so they don't starve? Getting addicted to drugs is, in my books, better than getting randomly cut their throats in front of the other children to make them scared of acting up. But that might be me. And executing people by throwing them into a pack of half-starved animals hold a special place in my heart. Raping their parents IS sick, and I haven't heard that one before, but I'm 90% sure it's either a gross exaggeration or a complete lie. Just like my points might not be true. I've never been to Africa, after all. Either these things happen or they don't, sad thing is it doesn't affect us. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/child-soldiers-sex-slaves-and-cannibalism-at-gunpoint-the-horrors-of-ugandas-north-6159396.html
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On March 09 2012 04:04 Dandel Ion wrote:They are not forced into Cannibalism so they don't starve? Getting addicted to drugs is, in my books, better than getting randomly cut their throats in front of the other children to make them scared of acting up. But that might be me. And executing people by throwing them into a pack of half-starved animals hold a special place in my heart. Raping their parents IS sick, and I haven't heard that one before, but I'm 90% sure it's either a gross exaggeration or a complete lie. Just like my points might not be true. I've never been to Africa, after all. Either these things happen or they don't, sad thing is it doesn't affect us. Did you see the video? They are forced to mutilate each other to scare each other.
Also executing people by throwing them into a pack of half-starved animals is "just" torture before death, not being worse than any other kind of torture.
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