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On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully.
Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up?
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Ahhh, SKT is next, we're gonna get back on track ezpz.
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On January 08 2012 16:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: 2012 and we're still bitching about what is cheese what isn't and why it's good/bad/etc.
Jesus give it a rest. -_-
i haven't posted since like october so i have to make up for lost time
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support STX for dear and last. today they didnt disappoint
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thanks to all the streamers gg wp stx
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On January 08 2012 16:32 Taekwon wrote: WOOT WE"RE ON A ROLL
If STX keeps this up, we'll have beaten every single team sooner rather later! YEAAAA And it'll happen later as well. If STX beats SKT, we could move up a LOT. Another Christmas miracle incoming? Let's hope so.
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Looks like I just missed it. Which matches would you recommend?
Thanks.
Edit: Oh, and gratz to STX! Doing well now, after their initial start.
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can you have a diglett in the next pokemon banner?
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The only reason it worked is because the scouting probe was killed just before it saw the scvs. One shield battery would have stopped that. If this is not cheese I don't know what you consider cheese.
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On January 08 2012 16:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:31 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:30 Kyuukyuu wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex yeah pulling 10 scvs is standard response It actually is...even the commentators were urging Last to go make a bunker after he saw the 12nex "Make a bunker" != pulling 10 SCVs If he didn't pull that many scvs, it would've been impossible to make a bunker with the dragoons and probes pulled. Some of you need to realize that pulling workers to aid in a timing attack does not mean it's cheese
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On January 08 2012 16:33 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:29 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:27 Scarecrow wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:22 KenNage wrote:On January 08 2012 16:21 Taekwon wrote: TWO FAC END IT LAST! def not, shy made nex first 12 nex > 2 fac lolwut 2 fac is the next best punishment after bunker rush .. 2 fact is terrible vs 12 nex, it hits too late. You mustn't play much *facepalm. there are different variations of 2 fac. when toss two gates after 12 nex, u go two fac no shop and capitlize slight vulture timing nt, but next time save the ad hom for your siblings. As far as I know only the first vulture will do some damage before the first goon comes out and then the harass is pretty much over.
I did say slight. Like I said, if terran is wholeheartedly set on punishing and chooses not to BR, this is the next best punishment, unless you've alternative suggestions.
But yeah, good game lol, phew cheer leading was tiring
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On January 08 2012 16:33 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully. Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up?
logic? i've been here for several years and have never seen anyone object to early aggression that involved ten workers being called cheese, and i've regularly seen aggression of this type called cheesy. i don't think there's any reason that it being in response to something, or it being strategically sensible, would make it not cheese.
that said, i don't think it's a particularly important or meaningful term and i'm not sure why everyone seems to be flipping out about it.
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Obviously, this match was all about who was wearing glasses.
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On January 08 2012 16:34 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:32 Taekwon wrote: WOOT WE"RE ON A ROLL
If STX keeps this up, we'll have beaten every single team sooner rather later! YEAAAA And it'll happen later as well. If STX beats SKT, we could move up a LOT. Another Christmas miracle incoming? Let's hope so.
This type of thing is just what STX needs for morale boost!
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Imagine if STX still had Kal....
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On January 08 2012 16:35 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:33 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully. Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up? logic? i've been here for several years and have never seen anyone object to early aggression that involved ten workers being called cheese, and i've regularly seen aggression of this type called cheesy. i don't think there's any reason that it being in response to something, or it being strategically sensible, would make it not cheese. that said, i don't think it's a particularly important or meaningful term and i'm not sure why everyone seems to be flipping out about it. You can't lump all early aggression together like that no matter how many years you've been here.
This sort of attack is very different from the rofl build
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On January 08 2012 16:35 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:33 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully. Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up? logic? i've been here for several years and have never seen anyone object to early aggression that involved ten workers being called cheese, and i've regularly seen aggression of this type called cheesy. i don't think there's any reason that it being in response to something, or it being strategically sensible, would make it not cheese. that said, i don't think it's a particularly important or meaningful term and i'm not sure why everyone seems to be flipping out about it.
Pardon me, but even though i cheered for Stars as well, i ll have to agree that Bunker Rush is pretty much the standard response when you scouted opponent going Nexus First. The amount of SCVs brought was mostly likely due to him scouting 2x Gateways from Shy, thus he needed that much Meat Shield. If Shy had withdrawn his probes to main, and continued normally, those SCVs would have gone back to Last's main and mine soon enough.
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On January 08 2012 16:35 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:33 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully. Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up? logic? i've been here for several years and have never seen anyone object to early aggression that involved ten workers being called cheese, and i've regularly seen aggression of this type called cheesy. i don't think there's any reason that it being in response to something, or it being strategically sensible, would make it not cheese. that said, i don't think it's a particularly important or meaningful term and i'm not sure why everyone seems to be flipping out about it.
I'd have to criticize your perception over the years then as you have several objecting over just the last few pages...
I don't mind what you think of it but don't openly call it cheese without your thoughts...if you want to dodge the question, perfectly fine - I agree it's not worth flipping out over but don't arbitrarily attribute a strategic punishment as cheese without any reason...
It's not even about being right or wrong, please understand. I mean no offense, but it's just about netizen etiquette for me.
lololol
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On January 08 2012 16:34 Caesarion wrote: Looks like I just missed it. Which matches would you recommend?
Thanks.
Edit: Oh, and gratz to STX! Doing well now, after their initial start.
Sets 1, 4, 5 for sure!
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On January 08 2012 16:39 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 16:35 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:33 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:31 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:29 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:28 Taekwon wrote:On January 08 2012 16:26 o[twist] wrote:On January 08 2012 16:25 kingalexxx wrote:On January 08 2012 16:24 Le French wrote: fucking cheesers! It's not cheese at all....he's just punishing sHy for being so greedy wat? i don't mind it at all but it's definitely cheese. Bunker rush is standard response to neutralize economic advantage from 12 nex this wasn't a standard bunker rush, did you see all the scvs? How does the number of scvs count? He pulled off like ten. enough to force probes out and enough to still continue the game should his bunker rush fail. ergo, not cheese 10 workers in an attack = cheese. not criticizing, it worked beautifully. Your logic please? Or is this some brightline you just made up? logic? i've been here for several years and have never seen anyone object to early aggression that involved ten workers being called cheese, and i've regularly seen aggression of this type called cheesy. i don't think there's any reason that it being in response to something, or it being strategically sensible, would make it not cheese. that said, i don't think it's a particularly important or meaningful term and i'm not sure why everyone seems to be flipping out about it. You can't lump all early aggression together like that no matter how many years you've been here. This sort of attack is very different from the rofl build
why can't i? it's how i've seen the term used. if you can point me to a definition of cheese that would exclude it, i'm happy to read it, but as i understand it it's what the word means.
by the way, the standard definitions like "if it works you win, if not you lose" and "one way or another the game is over in a few minutes" etc. don't actually work either. there have definitely been games that started 4pool, 8rax etc. that ended up with the cheese doing a certain amount of damage and then getting cleared up, and with rough equalization and normal play after that.
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