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Why Muslim Uighurs are angry in China ?

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MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 07 2009 06:21 GMT
#1
Just read that on the BBC.COM

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New protests have flared in Urumqi, two days after 156 people died and 800 were injured in the western Chinese city.

At least 200 Uighurs faced off against police in Urumqi on Tuesday following news that 1,434 people were arrested in connection with Sunday's riots.

Trouble also spread outside of Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang, with protests on Monday near a mosque in Kashgar.

Beijing blames ethnic Muslim Uighurs for the violence, but exiled Uighurs say police fired on students.

'Extraordinary defiance'

The BBC's Quentin Sommerville, on the streets of Urumqi, says at least 200 people - mostly elderly women or women with children - have taken to the streets, complaining that their relatives had been arbitrarily arrested.

Foreign journalists witnessed the protest during a tour led by government officials showing them parts of the city where shops and homes had been destroyed in Sunday's violence.

Our correspondent says it was an extraordinary act of defiance.

He says riot police - armed with rifles and tear gas - charged the women and surrounded them. But they sat on the ground in defiance of orders from policemen to disperse.

He says the protesters finally began leaving as the journalists were ushered away from the area.

But policemen were waiting in the side streets, he said, and it was unclear what had happened to the women.

Mass arrests

The mass arrests have been going on since Sunday's clashes.

Reports are surfacing that police have been going from house to house, rounding up young men for questioning.

The Chinese authorities say they have arrested the "ringleaders" of the protests, but that they are still seeking others.

In Urumqi's hospitals, the victims are still being treated, our correspondent says.

Many are reported to be ethnic Han Chinese, but there are Uighurs too and others from another Muslim ethnic group, the Hui.

Demonstrators said they had been demanding justice for two Uighurs killed last month in a fight with ethnic Han Chinese at a factory in southern China.

There has been widespread international concern at the clashes, which some analysts say are the most serious in China since Tiananmen Square in 1989.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon led the calls for restraint, a sentiment echoed by Britain and the US.


Are they fighting against the HAN or against the Chinese government ?
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Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
July 07 2009 06:22 GMT
#2
Nothing new from either China or the Muslim community.

China kills dissidents. Muslims Riot. The world revolves. You can count on all three.
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
July 07 2009 06:24 GMT
#3
hmmm i was not even aware china had any large groups of muslims. FMI but who are theHAN chinese? I know there was a han dynasty at one point? Are they related?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 07 2009 06:26 GMT
#4
Well, Han Chinese are pretty much the "regular" Chinese. Chinese take pride in the Han dynasty, so they calm themselves "Han". The Muslim populations are mainly in the west.
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MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 06:26:56
July 07 2009 06:26 GMT
#5
But it's not related to religion, right ?
I mean, people can be Han AND Muslim too, right ?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 07 2009 06:27 GMT
#6
It is kinda. I guess the Muslims are angry because the Han Chinese get better treatment?
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MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 07 2009 06:29 GMT
#7
Oo'
How ? I mean, Muslim or not, if they hold a Chinese Passport, it's the same, they are still Chinese. Btw, like I've said, people can be Han AND Muslim, no ?
Muslim = Religion
Han = Ethnic
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 07 2009 06:31 GMT
#8
Not everybody that holds a Chinese passport is "Han". It's kinda discrimintory. But generally, I don't think Muslims are considered Han.
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MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 07 2009 06:36 GMT
#9
It reminds me what happened in Tibet :/ So basically, in China, there are Han and others and Government only cares about Han ?
LOL it seems to be a very "racist" conception.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 07 2009 06:37 GMT
#10
not that the government only cares about the Han, but han are favored sometimes. It is racist and it exists because there is nothing to stop it :/
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eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
July 07 2009 06:41 GMT
#11
who are Uighurs?
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
July 07 2009 06:42 GMT
#12
On July 07 2009 15:36 MK wrote:
It reminds me what happened in Tibet :/ So basically, in China, there are Han and others and Government only cares about Han ?
LOL it seems to be a very "racist" conception.


I'm pretty sure every country in the world has some form of governmental racism. Whether it be, affirmative action, or something like this.

China has one of the worst human rights records, but hardly no one cares a peep.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 06:47:29
July 07 2009 06:45 GMT
#13
Pretty much every dynasty except for Yuan (Mongolian) and Qing (Manchurian) is ruled by the han ethnic group, I believe. I may be wrong, though, since I haven't touched Chinese history since 4th grade.

Anyway, typical stuff. Why even bother protesting? The result is pretty much given, and this won't be a catalyst for change.
MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#14
The actual problem is these Huighurs are fighting against Han which is stupid :/ they should fight against the Government instead

I wanted to visit China btw
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
July 07 2009 07:44 GMT
#15
Been living in China for more than 5 years now. Allow me to answers some of yours questions.
First, Han is the official ethnic name of majority Chinese people(most Chinese oversea are also Han ethnic)
I've never seen a Han people that practice muslim.
Holding a Chinese passport doesnt make you Han.
In the west of China (tibet or somewhere like that) Muslim people are being discriminated by Han, maybe not so seriously, but its there. And many Han people dont even consider these Muslim their countrymate(especially Han in the coastal region)
From what I know Muslims in the west of China are now becoming minority in their own mother land. Chinese goverment are placing alot of Han to the west and now they become majority in the region which I think lead to the Muslim unrest BOTH in the Chinese gorvement and Han people as well.
Just imagine you become guest in your own house, what would you think? I cant accept that.
But if anything Chinese are good at, they are good at letting their culture spread and slowly consume others.
In the past, Korea, Vietnam, Japan are all somehow heavily affect by Chinese culture. For example Korean and Vietnamese nowadays celebrate most of all the Chinese festival such as mid-autumn, Chinese new year and so on. I believe the same will happen with those muslim in the west of China.
Terran
asleepingpig
Profile Joined August 2005
China75 Posts
July 07 2009 07:54 GMT
#16
Uighur and other minorities are first class citizens in China, here are some facts:
1, Han Chinese family can only bear one child, but the minorities can bear two or more children.
2, Minorities can get favorable policy for University entrance exam.
3, Minorities thieives will not be arrested normally. In every cities, you can see a lot of thievies from Uighur, and the police can do nothing because of government special policy for minorities.

Another fact:
nearly 90% of Chinese are Han Chinese. But from 2000~2005, among 41 millions new borns, there are only 23 millions Han babies, 18 millions are minority babies.
why? Because minority are favored, so if Han people are married to minority, they will declare their babies are minority. Moreover, many pure Han families change their children race form han to minorities by illegal ways, so that their children are more competitive in University entrance exam.

Did BBC or CNN tell you all above facts?
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
July 07 2009 07:58 GMT
#17
Wow, Caphe, thank you, that was useful.

I really like the way the Chinese are dealing with this riot. Stomp it and be done with it - that's the way to go with ethnic unrest IMO too. If you're a country that's not sanctioned by NATO that is. Serbia tried to do the same and NATO didn't allow it.

As for becoming a guest in your own house - if the population in Bulgaria changes in a few decades and most of it become gypsies and/or ethnic turkish - so be it. I can stay (most probably I would stay cause I don't mind gypsies and I like turkish people) or if I don't like them I can always pack my bags and say "Goodbye and thank you for the fish!". I can always accept an (inevitable) change.
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asleepingpig
Profile Joined August 2005
China75 Posts
July 07 2009 08:05 GMT
#18
Btw, I am Han Chinese, and my wife is minority. We lives very well. And, according to the policy, we can have two babies, and if I declares my baby's race as minority, when they attend University entrance exam they can get additional 10 points into their total achievements. When they are adults, they can have more benefits.

We benefits from the policy, but I have to say that it's totally unfair.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 07 2009 08:08 GMT
#19
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090707/ts_nm/us_china_xinjiang

Despite heightened security, some unrest appeared to be spreading in the volatile region, where long-standing ethnic tensions periodically erupt into bloodshed.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
July 07 2009 08:10 GMT
#20
On July 07 2009 16:54 asleepingpig wrote:
Uighur and other minorities are first class citizens in China, here are some facts:
1, Han Chinese family can only bear one child, but the minorities can bear two or more children.
2, Minorities can get favorable policy for University entrance exam.
3, Minorities thieives will not be arrested normally. In every cities, you can see a lot of thievies from Uighur, and the police can do nothing because of government special policy for minorities.

Another fact:
nearly 90% of Chinese are Han Chinese. But from 2000~2005, among 41 millions new borns, there are only 23 millions Han babies, 18 millions are minority babies.
why? Because minority are favored, so if Han people are married to minority, they will declare their babies are minority. Moreover, many pure Han families change their children race form han to minorities by illegal ways, so that their children are more competitive in University entrance exam.

Did BBC or CNN tell you all above facts?


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